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Aidenag1 year, 9 months ago
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So your saying all 1.5million people in Gaza want terrorism and to kill jews? How about the children? I really don't know how anyone could condone collective punishment like that....Especially when one considers that collective punishment is declared a WAR CRIME under article 33 of the geneva convention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Conv...
The International Committee of the Red Cross Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts."
Sounds like what is happening in Gaza to me.. Collective punishment in hopes of preventing hostile acts... Or in simple terms, War Crime...
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"So your saying all 1.5million people in Gaza want terrorism and to kill jews? How about the children?"
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Are you aware of the educational system in Gaza and the so-called "West Bank"?
"I really don't know how anyone could condone collective punishment like that...."
It's pretty simple. They're collectively guilty. They want to murder the Jews...collectively.
"Sounds like what is happening in Gaza to me.. Collective punishment in hopes of preventing hostile acts... Or in simple terms, War Crime..."
How it sounds to you really doesn't concern me. Stop the "hostile acts", and there won't be any "collective punishment". Isn't that simple?
BTW, I noticed you didn't thank me for pointing out the facts you "forgot" in your initial post. I wonder why?
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BoxMonkey1 year, 9 months ago
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I just don't understand why Gaza was given up by Isreal in the first place . Too much blood was spilt for it . And I'd have to agree with cherev , the childern are taught from young the hatred they must follow to kill off the Isrealites . You know I just don't understand why another Arab country didn't open it's borders to it's brothers and sisters in Gaza in the first place . Then this situation may not be happening now .
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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BoxMonkey ~
Before any flak starts flying - let me state that I believe in Israel's right to exist.But the idea that the Palestinians are the total problem because they REMAIN in
their homeland (Occupied Territories and Gaza)seems so shallow, and I know you're not.
If other Arab nations open their doors....how does that solve the problem? The Israelis were NEVER given ALL of that land in 1948. That was not supposed to be the deal.
Example: Some one knocks on MY door and informs me that
a large religious/ethnic group want to live together and
they need me to go elsewhere to accomplish that goal. But
- not to worry - Maine or Oklahoma or New Mexico (whatever)
have freed up land and say they'd be glad of my company.
Oh, okay. I'll be happy to leave my HOME and go somewhere
else.?? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I don't give a hoot who's got their door open for this new refugee - I have two choices - pack-up or fight for my HOME. What would you do?
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BoxMonkey1 year, 9 months ago
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O.K. , I understand what you are saying and thank you for enlightening me . I really mean that . I agree with the WWII statement as well . Yes , that was wrong . What I am saying about Gaza is ; Isreali's have fought for that land and then gave it back , which I don't and didn't agree with . Starving out someone is not good either . What I'm pointing out is that no other Arabic nations are trying to help the situation by offering immigration from Gaza . And as someone else pointed out , Egypt does border the other side .
It's a tough situation all around .These lands have been in turmoil for thousands of years , this is not an easy solution .There is family hatred going back just as long . There is no easy solution .
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> If other Arab nations open their doors....how does that solve the problem? The Israelis were NEVER given ALL of that land in 1948. That was not supposed to be the deal.
I'm afraid that you di not understand what WAS supposed to be the deal...
You see, the UN Partition Resolution of 1948 was a NON-BINDING one. A non-binding resolution is basically an OFFER, a proposal of a possible way to solve a conflict. The UN OFFERED a way to solve the conflict by dividing the (remaining after creation of Transjordan) land of Palestine thus making two states, one for the Jews and the other for the Arabs. The Jews accepted the offer and the Arabs rejected it, started a war and lost.
As you should know a REJECTED offer is null and void from the day it was rejected. This means that the borders between the state of Israel and the (still non-existent) Arab Palestinian state MUST BE NEGOTIATED as a part of a peace agreement.
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BoxMonkey1 year, 9 months ago
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Yes , since Isreal was not given all that land , they fought for it and won it . That has gone on thru history[ with many nations ] .The Arabs lost it and then Isreal gave it back to effect a peace treaty . But still no peace . Hate groups like Hamas encourage diassociation and hatred .
I would like to state , I am all for peace and Brotherhood , I am just trying to get my facts straight so I may talk inteligently about this situation .
Now Isreal must have had that land at one time in history anyhow . When did they lose it ? Was it with the Ottoman Empire ? Thank you .
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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I do not think that Jews or any other ethnic group can be called "righful owners" of land simply becasue their ancestors lived there at one time or another. In the civilized world, land can be owned by private owners, by organizations (such as Catholic Church or a university) or by states.
It is extremely racist to claim that a certain piece of land belongs to a certain race or ethnicity be it Whites, Blacks, Arabs or Jews.
Interestingly enough, almost all the land on this planet is divided by states. The only exceptions I know of are Antarctica and the areas of Palestine known as the West Bank and Gaza. These areas do not belong to any state.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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BoxMonkey ~
Geez, I'm not picking on you - but you're the one that brought up so many issues that trouble me.So this comment comes to you - but it's not personal :)
You ask why Arab nations didn't demonstrate solidarity with
their brothers and sisters with open arms.
Anbody seen the movie, "Ship of Fools"? The USA is ever so
vocal on how vital it is for Palestinians to be accommodating.
The US should be more than a little ashamed at how we turned
OUR backs on the exodus of Jews from Europe when they still
had the opportunity to get out. Was it racism or did we not
have enough room for them? For whatever reason - we turned
them away - and many knew exactly what they would be returning to in Germany and elsewhere.
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GoldStandard1 year, 9 months ago
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"Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Are you aware of the educational system in Gaza and the so-called 'West Bank'?"
Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3dvYhFk_Y
Aidenag- You want to talk Nazi comparisons? This could be a Hitler youth film.
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