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Blackacereturn1 year, 9 months ago
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This looks a bit staged, with that said it is a reality of the people living there. I don't know that I wouldn't do whatever it took to Kill the person responsible for killing my kid...OMG just the thought of that has make me weak in the knees.
This is a sad thing to see and makes me that much more determine to make sure there isn't another person like bush in the White House. I can't see how you on the right can view this and still be for this war...try this close your eyes and think of your kid or a kid you know for those who don't have kids...and for a moment imagine it's your or that kid, what would you do?
I have two kids and I pray to god that nothing happens to them while I am alive. I don't think I can live through that... You heartless ****** on the right may god deal out just punishment on you for condoning this behavior!
I may be suspended from this blog for this but I feel strong enough in what I am saying to risk that!
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drtjyen1 year, 9 months ago
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Oh I forgot, Bush was also responsible for slamming two fully loaded jets into a fully occupied office building in NYC. You should be more determined than ever that we, the civilized, rid the earth of scum who are the ones who maime, behead, use mentally challenged women as suicide bombers. Smell the coffee.
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drtjyen1 year, 9 months ago
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I've seen plenty, remember the pictures of the 4 Americans whose bodies were hung on the bridge and burned ? Maybe you have forgotten, but I am going to remind you. Don't blame the last touch on the US. Stop being so guilt ridden for being an American, unless you are not.
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dissent1 year, 9 months ago
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The kid is dying in his mother's arms. He didn't travel half way around the world riding on a tidal wave of war looking for guts and glory and a fat paycheck. He didn't know anything about that sh*t. So comparing four contract workers who knew exactly what they signed up for and just how dangerous it would be with a kid who was about to start his first day of school but who died before he could even begin because he was born in the wrong place at the wrong time and died because of it is pathetic.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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From the caption:
"....as the family returned from enrolling the children in
school, where Dhiya was to begin his first year."
As a parent, the prospect of the first day of school
is such an emotional time. For most of us there is a
selfish twinge of sadness - our baby is growing up, but
most of the excitement is child centered. We imagine the
friends they will make - their scholastic achievements -
we try to glimpse the adult they might be......it's such
a momentous event - a symbolic event.We've presented the
world with this new little person and now they are on their
way...............My heart just aches for that poor mother.
How do people survive such terrible grief? My feeling is
that they are never the same person coming out of it as they
were going in - I know I wouldn't be.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 9 months ago
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AnteUp - I cant answer to how they survive this, but I can give some insight to losing a love one senselessly, my younger was shot to death over a look on a NY city train on his way home from school...the child in court said he look at me hard(whatever that means) But i say all this to make my point...it's been 15 years and it still hurts like yesterday. I can't imagine losing a child in this manner.
May god bless the People of Iraq and save them from this suffering.
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Teech1 year, 9 months ago
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Certainly one of the most emotionally charged photographs I've ever seen.
But like all photos of this nature, and every war or conflict has produced hundreds, or even thousands, the question remains: How many scenes like this have been repeated that we have never, and will never see?
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BoxMonkey1 year, 9 months ago
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Blackacereturn , I so sorry to hear [ or read ] that . Looking Hard is a phrase like , staring someone down . or giving the stink eye . It's easy to misinterpret someones' look . I rode the trains for years and encountered quite a few thugs . My sympathies go out to you and your family . I will pray for you .
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unome21 year, 9 months ago
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djn3nunez31 year, 9 months ago
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Um, not having a strong enough central government to control the two sect. This is because of the decisions made by the Bush Administration after the fall of Saddam's government, plain and simple. The sad part is it never needed to have happened. The military planners were not listened to by the Bush Administration. The occupation could have been over in a year. It's almost like they wanted civil strife.
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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You live in a dream world.
Islam straps bombs to retarded girls and sends them into a place where Muslims are buying pets. This case the brave individuals fired from ambush.
Saddam had mass graves of the people he and his sons murdered. And you blame Bush. How intelligent.
They were attacking us for years and when we fight back its all our fault.
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drtjyen1 year, 9 months ago
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Oh you must have forgotten the thousands of kids, just like this one, who were killed under Saddam Hussein's reign. Remember the pictures of the villager who were gassed by Saddam ? Maybe you think that his actions can be overlooked but I don't. If you want to rant against the US, you should give equal time to the dictators who stink up our world.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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unome2 ~
I don't hate America - I do, however, hate what has been
done in our name........many times.
I hate war profiteers - neocons, I hate the "game" of EMPIRE
and conquest when the fat cats sit at their desks raking in
the dough ........IMPROVING their life-style while the rest
of the world suffers. Giving out lucrative contracts to
special friends - contracts for misery and death for
men,women, children and animals of the earth - and that's
not even mentioning the damage done to the EARTH as well.
I am constantly amazed at their championing of "family
values". You have to wonder.......do they HAVE family?
How could you let them inherit this legacy of chaos and
conflict? Is there some special place that Cheney's
grandchildren get to go to avoid the world he has
methodically created? Blows me away - no pun intended!
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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Klarissa ~
There is nothing I have ever said that would indicate that
I do not love my country. It is possible to find fault with
the things we love - in fact it is our DUTY to criticize
what we see as harmful to our nation and it's stated ideals.
So, Klarissa?.......Just put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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annoDomini1 year, 9 months ago
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Endo,
I'm surprised that when I advocated that the US should be a great country, you thought that meant we should become Muslims. Who would have thought that you equated greatness with Islam?
It is also strange that you believe that invading Iraq is fighting terrorism, given that pretty much every knowledgable person AND EVEN Pres. Bush has agreed that the terrorists who attacked the US were NOT FROM IRAQ.
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djn3nunez31 year, 9 months ago
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God, I hate what America has done to Iraq!
"Dear God"
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/x/xtc/dear god_20147941.html
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unome21 year, 9 months ago
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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If you claim to "hate America", it goes way beyond your delusion of "what this country has become".
Bush has made some mistakes. He's human. But overall I'm satisfied with the job he's done. I love this country, but I'm not happy with your role in "what this country has become."
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Bopi3651 year, 9 months ago
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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To understand these comments, one has to know that they come from an "israel-firster" rather than froma real american. These ZionCons just love the idea of killing americans (and iraqis) for the zionist robbing, killing expulsion or putting in concentration camps of over 7 million christians and moslems. These are the type of criminals who now advocate the ethnic cleansing of several million more christians and moslems.
Orthodox Jews: Chief Rabbi of Israel is evil, zionist stooge
Religion â;; The strongly anti-Zionist Neturei Karta group of ultra-Orthodox Jews has attacked Ashkennazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger as a "very well paid Zionist stooge" and a "a wicked emissary of evil" who should be expelled from Israel, following Metzger's call for massive ethnic cleansing of christians and moslems.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/02/08/...
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dissent1 year, 9 months ago
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I'm sorry for your pain, slate, but I thank you for your sincerity..... and your humanity. cherev, this is what defines "humanity," you know, the stuff you accuse others of not having. If you could answer AnteUp's request that would go a long way to giving you some too.
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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Well thanks, it was a long time ago but it seems like just yesterday sometime, death is something every human has to face in one form or another until they too die.
I've talked to Cherev enough via PM and have read most of his posts, he's a decent guy,,, I can't answer for him but I'd think he's trying not to be 'baited' by the picture. The sadness of the picture is being used to make a 'political' statement in this thread. Like I said this picture could have easily been from Bosnia, yet the same people that hate this war had no problem with the civilian deaths caused by what they considered a 'JUST CAUSE'
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dissent1 year, 9 months ago
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Slate, the picture IS a political statement. There's no ducking that one. This is the reality. It's bs like bringing freedom and democracy that's not real, but it's that stuff that makes stuff like this happen, and far too many times in one place or another again and again and again and again and again and again. And yeah, I have issues with Bosnia too.
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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When it somes to war, we all pick and choose,, YES that one was just but that one over there isn't,,, and that depends on which side we are on,,,, maybe sometimes everyone agrees,,, but for the most part some feel a 'current' war is just and some don't,,,, this picture tells of the horror of war, not just this one,,,, how many million like pictures could have been captured throught the wars over the last 70-80 years? All the pictures would indeed be political and as I said people will sit and justify one action and vilify the others and agree to disagree
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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I support those israelis that have the courage to be in the proud tradition of this resistance to evil.
Wenn Sie wirklich von Deutsche Herkunft sind, sollten Sie auch.
White Rose
The White Rose (German: die WeiÃ;e Rose) was a non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany, consisting of a number of students from the University of Munich and their philosophy professor. The group became known for an anonymous leaflet campaign, lasting from June 1942 until February 1943, that called for active opposition to German dictator Adolf Hitler's regime. [1]
The six core members of the group were arrested by the Gestapo, convicted and executed by beheading in 1943....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
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canadianrancher571 year, 9 months ago
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The death of children from war or terrorist acts is always sad to see but the saddest part of this is that some people will view the picture, see the way the people are dressed and form an opinion that these people are not deserving of our feelings. As evil as Saddam was supposed to be does this not make one question our actions as well.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"the saddest part of this is that some people will view the picture, see the way the people are dressed and form an opinion that these people are not deserving of our feelings."
Because of the way they're dressed? What makes you think so?
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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cherev ~
I don't think that is too difficult to figure out.
People that dress as many do in the Middle East - are
trying to kill ALL of us because they hate our Freedom?
The news has run video numerous times just this week
showing how little children are being schooled in hate.
All of the children shown were Arabs. It goes down easier
when you level a village or a neighborhood, if you can tell
your conscience that even the littlest casualties were a
threat to America.
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Why is that Klarissa. Increasing numbers of jews worldwide have come to the same conclusion. Here is a professor from an israeli university.
The Ethnic Cleansing Goes On
Do No Evil â;; It's not about a clash between Jews and Palestinians. It's matter of colonialism. Today there are opinion movements of young Jews, in Europe and in the US, who point the finger at Israel's colonialist policies and accuse it as a colonialist and racist state, not because it is a state founded by Jews."
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/01/21/...
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vor1 year, 9 months ago
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Americans did not kill this boy. Sectarian hatred based on relgious belief is the culprit. It is the reason there is no solution in Iraq and likely will not be one until we leave and another strongman along the lines of Saddam takes over. American interference has exacerbated the situation but we did not create this hatred. The sects are now divided, no more mixed neighborhoods, little interaction creating an even more bleak situation for the future.
Of course none of this was factored into the neocons invasion plan where human beings (especially of the non Caucasian variety) were not considered and only the idealogical and geopolitical gains to be made mattered.
Hating America solves nothing. What the neocons have created has nothing to do with American ideals. It is just the corrupt beliefs of a privileged few.
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vor1 year, 9 months ago
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You neglect that this was "pre-emptive" intervention. The neocon idealogy is far more dangerous than any previous US foreign policy. The idea of fighting wars for sport should no longer exist on this planet. It does in these mens minds. This quote says it all:
"If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
Richard Perle
These is the neocon belief summarized in a fanciful form. These words belong to the last century. To a mindset we once fought against. And certainly not to 21st Century America.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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V.O.R. ~
Good quote - terrifying, but always good for people to be reminded of the type of minds directing our policies.
Have you noticed the increase in the movies being shown
on cable? The Sum Of All Fears, The Day After,etc. I don't think I am alone in wondering if we are not closer today - more than even during the Cold War - to someone or some
policy putting the GLOBE at risk. I know I've been thinking
about it more.
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drtjyen1 year, 9 months ago
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Right on!!! We do not behead people, or use mentally challenged people to conduct suicide missions. The scum, and this is the only appropriate term to describe them, not insurgents, should be wiped off the face of this earth.I wish our leaders have the guts to say what the silent majority thinks
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canadianrancher571 year, 9 months ago
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cherev- Many around the world simply look at the way people are dressed and put a location on the event, from this they form their opinion. This picture could have taken place in many of the countries in the mid east and depending on our biases some would feel no remorse about this. My bias on this has to do with the Iraqi war. If this child had been the child of a Jewish mom in Isreal my feelings would would be the same,and I expect yours would be greater. That is why in my first comment I mentioned war and terrorists actions.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"Many around the world simply look at the way people are dressed and put a location on the event, from this they form their opinion."
I find it hard to believe that anyone would form an opinion on the worth of someone's life based on how someone is dressed. I feel sorry for you that you've encountered these people.
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canadianrancher571 year, 9 months ago
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I have been judged many times on my appearance, at times I know it is because of my attitude toward society, if one acts like a rebel he will be treated as such. I have really no problem with people judging me but I do wish they would do so after debate or conversation and not just from my appearance. I don't waste much time dressing up to be someone who I will never be.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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Well, I wear jeans and a t-shirt most of the time. I hate suits and ties, and only wear them to weddings, synagogue, and that kind of thing.
And if someone wants to judge me based on that, they're more than welcome to. What do I care? And if they don't want to talk to me, so much the better. I've met very few people in the world who could take the place of a good book. Even fewer who could take the place of a good beer and a slice of pizza.
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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"I've met very few people in the world who could take the place of a good book. Even fewer who could take the place of a good beer and a slice of pizza."
And I've met very many people all over the world who could take the place of a good book. And even more who I enjoy having (well I don't drink beer, but a glass of wine perhaps) and a slice of pizza with.
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dissent1 year, 9 months ago
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cherev: I find it hard to believe that anyone would form an opinion on the worth of someone's life based on how someone is dressed. I feel sorry for you that you've encountered these people.
So what do you wear to job interviews, weddings, funerals and awards ceremonies? Give me a break cherev and stop pretending to be so condescending and pious, you ain't qualified.
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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Iraq was quite peaceful under Saddam & people where free to leave the country if they hated Saddam. If Bush had not called for an invasion into Iraq, this would never have happened. Saddam's whereabouts where always known & he could have been eliminated quietly by special forces if he had been a threat which he was not at the time Bush decided to invade. Bush/Cheney & his gang have turned our foreign policy into pure evil. I never thought I would see a day when our President would invade an entire country & kill thousands of innocent civilians for oil. I trust and hope our next President will make better decisions when it comes to foreign policy. This invasion into Iraq is one our Forefathers would never have called for. This is not the type of foreign policy our Forefathers had in mind. I don't believe they would approve of Bush's foreign policy.
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djn3nunez31 year, 9 months ago
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While I agree the Bush Administration's invasion and occupation of Iraq was a horrible stategic blunder that has cost countless Iraqis their lives (not that they don't matter, it's that we don't count them) But our foriegn policy of interventionism did not start with Bush and his gang.
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annoDomini1 year, 9 months ago
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In the 19th century, Pres. Lincoln "caused" the deaths of over 100,000 US Citizens who tried to leave the USA. Many Americans say that Mr. Lincoln was the greatest Pres. the US has ever had. Perhaps Saddam Hussein is more American than most people give him credit for.
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djn3nunez31 year, 9 months ago
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Thanks to Ronnie Raygun, by supplying both Iran and Iraq (War profiteering) the first war was prolonged for years.
The first President Bush could have stopped the invasion of Kuwait. It was clear that Saddam was going to invade and all it would have taken was for the President to state our intentions of defending Kuwait as if we had a mutual defense pact with them (we didn't). Instead the WH approved the sale of high speed data transmission technology to his "valued trading partner" on the eve of the invasion. Thus luring Saddam into the sandbox for a little war game.
So for those millions of young Arab men (mostly poor conscripts)who were killed during those wars, all of America can stand up and proudly say "and I helped!".
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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Yeah if you don't talk about the rape rooms, the acid rooms, the mass graves and all the other fun stuff, I suppose those that lived in fear of a knock at their door in the middle of the night felt that living under Saddam was quite peaceful.
Being tossed in a wood chipper would become peaceful for you after about 15 seconds after they turn off the motor and start cleaning up too.
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dissent1 year, 9 months ago
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most iraqis under saddam had enough water to drink and flush their toilets, they had electricity, television, telephones, roofs over their heads, family and friends alive and safe and pretty much a reasonable state of security anywhere they went which was work, school, holidays, you know, normal type stuff. they had hospitals and some of the best medical care in the middle east. they had a secular society and the freedom to practice whatever religion they wanted. now they have none of that. I guess they were just stomped into submission except now they're fighting back, fighting back against us. so you tell me, from the comfort of your keyboard as someone who has all of that and then some, which you think is better, the torture and killing that went on before with all of that or the torture and killing that goes on now with none of it. they may have lived in fear but there was peace, now they live in fear and there is no peace. so you choose. yeah, tough call, what do ya do.....
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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You can talk in circles for days from the comfort of your keyboard as well.
Germany and France had all that stuff as well before WWII started so?
I know I know Bush lied people died and he's evil. This is political rubbish. The world's intelligence community all thought Saddam had WMDs as did Clinton when he tried to wipe them out in 1998. Yet Clinton was believed and Bush isn't, why is that? Simply because of the camp they each hail from. Civilians died and infrastructures were destroyed at the hands of those sent to Bosnia under Clinton's watch, yet the same people that hate this war a silent about those deaths.
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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Like I said it's all about the choice you make in your head as to the justification of which conflict and those that die in it are worth the cost or not. Just as you will likely have to choose again in the future about another place that some other politician will send troops. If you deem that a worthy cause for what ever your reasons or whether someone else thinks it's done in deception you will stand by your reasoning and say it's just or the price paid was a unfortunate but necessary cost; and you'll still say BUT that damn war in Iraq was an evil perpetrated on a lie.
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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In my post I focused on this war in Iraq which Bush called for. I absolutely agree with what you wrote "our foriegn policy of interventionism did not start with Bush and his gang."
But I don't believe this Iraq war is a "strategic blunder." I believe it was planned out yrs ago & part of an overall plan to control the oil in Iraq.
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djn3nunez31 year, 9 months ago
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The reason I think it is a strategic blunder is that the Bush Administration morphed the legitimate effort to capture or kill those responsible for the 9-11 attack into the invasion and occupation of an oil rich Arab nation that was not a threat nor participated in the 9-11 attacks. By doing so this adminstration has helped create a whole new generation of radical Arabs hell bent on hurting Americans everywhere.
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annoDomini1 year, 9 months ago
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Sectarian violence in Iraq is likely the result of a battle for political control, similar to the violence that occurred for years in northern Ireland, where almost no one is Muslim.
Moreover, "sectarian violence" is actually NOT the main cause of deaths in Iraq, but rather violence against the occupiers (that would be us) is. It's just that so many civilians keep getting in the way...
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Well, it certainly would have been better if we had not started supporting Saddam for cheap oil already in 1959, had not aided and abetted him in a war against Iran and had not killed 500,000 Iraqis with sanctions. If one totals up all the actions we took in support of Saddam and then against him, we have been involved in killing about 2,500,000 iraqis for cheap oil and zionism.
Saddam key in early CIA plot
UPI
U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials....
http://www.upi.com/International_Intelligence/A...
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Still is. Divide and rule has been a cornerstone of Bush activities in Iraq. But, as pointed out by several above, he is not the only one.
Gladio - America's Death Plans For Democracy
Do No Evil â;; The use of proxy mercenary forces to terrorize nations into submitting to US political demands has been the cornerstone of American foreign policy. Anyone with a shred of human decency should feel compelled to fight this evil.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/02/08/...
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SwampFox11 year, 9 months ago
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To all who think we are "liberating" Iraq, and that we are dealing with the big bad-guys of al qaeda, those nasty evil doers, you've been snorting George's underwear too long. Wash your brain with botox, you're invected with that new Republican disease called DD&DD (Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest Dubya).
I saw that child's eyes before most of you were born. If you've never seen someone die, well lucky, lucky you. You can't fake the eyes, America. Take a long look at the last thing he ever saw on this planet. They should make every American look at this during Thanksgiving dinner, during church services, and every political rally. Please do enjoy, remembering Bush and Osama bin Laden say they both talk to God; wonder what the hell they talk about.
And you wonder why I'm so damned mad???
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jovial1 year, 9 months ago
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There's a mob mentality that exists here in America since 911. It is perpetuated by those that try to hold on to the victim card, well beyond and after they have inflicted revenge many times over. The thirst for blood is never sated. They have become the monsters that they insist they are trying to fight.
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Mutainia1 year, 9 months ago
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Wrong. It seems to me that IF we had become the monsters we're trying to fight (they aren't monsters, just brainwashed by an evil religion), we would have nuked Iran by now, and, the glassification of Mecca would have taken place, and, taken place during a Hajj due to the weapons we have in our arsonal...IF we became like the "monsters" we're trying to fight.
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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Come to think of it, given Saddam's age (I assume he was quite old since the CIA trained him many, many yrs ago, unless of course the CIA trains children & teenagers?) it's more likely Saddam would have died of natural causes while this kid would have still been growing up.
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river-rat1 year, 9 months ago
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We all have our own opinions about the war and we are not going to agree on why we are there or who put us there. I definitely think it was Mr. Bush. I am with the peeps who want to see our country be as great as it can be. We don't look so good to the rest of the world right now. I exchange ideas with people from any where and every where and most other countries don't like the Bush administration and think he is wrong about the war. Now about the picture, it represents many civilian lives being lost in that hell hole. It is heartbreaking. No mother should have to see her child like this. It made me cry and made my heart fill with pain and compassion for that woman. She is not our enemy.
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RothWelt1 year, 9 months ago
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Every single thing the U.S. did led to civil war ,the failure of reconstruction the firing of the army, the blatant theft of Iraqi oil money, the use of the Badr Brigade, the use of Peshmerga, the use of death squads, the use of indiscriminate detention and torture, the destruction of Falluja and other towns in Al Anbar province created a raging insurgency and sparked civil war.
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chesschump1 year, 9 months ago
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did we care when saddam killed his own people? no!!!! we kept giving him weapons to figh Iran. didn we kill our own people in the civil war??? what if the mexicans that live in mexico dicided to "liberate" Texas from the union. so dont give us bull that sadam was killing his own people to justify the invasion.
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chesschump1 year, 9 months ago
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we destroyed a country that had nothing to do with 9/11
what did the iraqis do to justify an invasion?????? what????
the only thing i can think of is we took over the 2nd biggest oil reserve in the world............caused price of oil to skyrocket....hence the massive profits from exxon....in the mean time we blame it on increased damand from china.
now we have a recession, inflation,record deficit.....thank god for the rebate checks.
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