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Neophile1 year, 8 months ago

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Certainly not on anyone else's terms.

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    Goppy1 year, 8 months ago
    
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    I will never, ever, understand the selective revulsion of my fellow Conservatives.
    I try, and try. Because I WANT to be a faithful ditto haid and stand strong with my fellow ideological bretheren and cistern.
    The problem is, I have relatives who lived in CUBA before Castro took over. And conditions in CUBA before Castro took over were worse. Much worse.
    Starvation. Before Castro. There was lots of it.
    Torture. Batista was a ruthless dictator who had no problems murderin those he was threatened by. Imagine Saddam Hussein, with a gambling empire to protect.
    Heres an anecdote that I must weigh against the standard 'Hate Castro Refrain'. ...
    My son in law told me of the time his father was standing on a street corner talking to a friend. A jeep drove by, a soldier got out and hit this man with the butt of his rifle and barked out the rule that there can be no public meetings.
    
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      Goppy1 year, 8 months ago
      
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      So, in spite of the fact that Batista was in league with criminals, was laundering money, starving his poeple, since we are Conservatives, its our ideological duty to hate Castro.
      See, thats what makes me realize that Christian Conservatives aint really CHRISTIAN, weare a political party - who hold to a singular, black and white, extremely narrow ideologie. An ideologie that excludes all reason in favor of rationality.
      Compromise? OUT!
      Pragmatism? OUT!
      Rational Thought? OUT!
      The fact is, while our nation was fighting the MAFIA within our borders, we were protecting the MAFIA in CUBA. And we took the MAFIAs side when CUBA kicked them out.
      This is the irrational nature of politics that ruined our relationship with CUBA.
      If pragmatism had ruled. If Christian values had ruled, we would have accepted Castro and helped CUBA become a modern democracy.
      But instead, Eisenhower and Kennedy attacked.
      Sad.
      
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      Goppy1 year, 8 months ago
      
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      Just to be clear, this incident up top, where my son in laws dad had his haid bashed in was during the Batista dictatorship.
      Batista was a cruel, heartless dictator who was 10 times worse than Castro.
      Why do my fellow Christian Conservatives refuse to acknowledge this? I wish I knew.
      After all, they are all to happy to have spent a TRILLION dollors and sacrificed 5,000 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqi dead - just to kick out the evil dictator Saddam Hussein.
      
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        ProudBlueTexan1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        But just think of all that CHEAP gas that CC's can use to drive to church and hatch their political schemes! It's worth a trillion dollars to them, just to set up their thousand year Reic....I mean....reign (or is that a hundred?)
        BTW, I cast my early primary ballot today, here in the Little Blue Dot In the Big Red State. Don't have much reason to believe the votes were counted the way I cast them, or that they were recorded at all. Now, if there was a paper trail...
        
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      jmopinion1 year, 8 months ago
      
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      Under Batista:In 1958 Cuba had a higher per-capita income than Austria and Japan. Cuban industrial workers had the 8th highest wages in the world. In the 1950's Cuban stevedores earned more per hour than their counterparts in New Orleans and San Francisco. Cuba had established an 8 hour work-day in 1933 -- five years before FDR's New Dealers got around to it. Add to this: one months paid vacation. The much-lauded (by liberals) Social-Democracies of Western Europe didn't manage this until 30 years later. Cuba, a country 71% white in 1957, was completely desegregated 30 years before Rosa Parks was dragged off that Birmingham bus and handcuffed. In 1958 Cuba had more female college graduates per capita than the U.S..
      
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        jmopinion1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        http://www.lewrockwell.com/fontova/fontova-arch...
        Not sure what article but the info is confirmed by many other websites about Batista and Castro.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        Ya smoked 'em!
        
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        Goppy1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        I will comment on your statement by posting a private message from GLee.
        """"Geeewizzzz........ a legit statement from the forum idiot!
        Maybe try posting in Enlish to gain a tad of respect. hehe....""""
        GLee makes me sad to be a Conservative.
        My fellow Conservatives just seem incapable of debate. All they ken do is insult folks.
        And we all know thats a sign of complete desperation.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        That's all you've got to say, Gimpy the sock puppet? He burned you Libs and you can't respond. I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        
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  Blackacereturn1 year, 8 months ago
  
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  Neopjile- You have to respect that. I wonder what that country would have been like if the US didn play hard ball with them aster the civil war. Most people don't know that CHE and Castro came to the US and the US turned them away, this is when they went to the USSR for help. I am against his politics but i admire his balls!
  
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    tkyrchncs1 year, 8 months ago
    
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    I don't respect that. The longer you leave the garbage around the more it stinks. We should have kept this island when the Spaniards ceded it to us and we still should annex it.
    
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      UnusualSuspect1 year, 8 months ago
      
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      Hmmm...makes me wonder why Bush never invaded Cuba, to force Democracy on them, too...
      
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        I believe that Kennedy, a Democrat, did that at the Bay of Pigs...remember?
        
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        IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        he made enemies on both sides of the cuban issue. the pro castro cubans hated him because the cia trained and equipped the bay of pigs fighters.
        the anti castros hated him because he left those men alone on that beach without the air support they were promised and they were massacred.
        jfk *******d so many people off it aint funny. the fbi, cubans on both sides, the mob, the unions, the list goes on and on. now ask me if i think one nutjob with a mail order rifle and a magic bullet did it all by himself.
        
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        tkyrchncs1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        It should be a top priority that we not permit ANY undemocratic government in our hemisphere. Earlier presidents should have already taken care of this. The Bay of Pigs was an invasion of expat Cubans backed by the US (wink wink)
        
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        IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        by deciding what governments we will "permit" in other countries we kinda fit that "undemocratic government" description ourselves.
        
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        tkyrchncs1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        Perhaps, if it goes against the wishes of the American people. But I don't think it does. We have been at fault for permitting dictatorships in other nations, and sometimes gravely at fault, for actually supporting them (Haiti, Chile)
        
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      ecotourusa1 year, 8 months ago
      
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      it's f-ing amazing we did not get nuked in the 60's. (in south florida. remember, key west is ONLY 90 miles from cuba.)
      when i was in first grade, we did bomb scare drills. 2X daily.
      it was a trip!
      (I hope i'm not dating myself...keep in mind, you're as young as the person you feel)
      :)
      
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      Blackacereturn1 year, 8 months ago
      
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      I disagree with you TKYRCHNCS...the correct thing was done when we gave the country to the people of Cuba, the mistake was not being smart enough to extend a hand when they came begging for help, our arrogance landed us an enemy at our door step.
      This arrogance, I see in so many of our citizens today, instead of using our brains as we have for the most part, we have chosen to use our might. This always makes a nation weak.
      We have allowed the small mindedness to prevail where we once used our superior reasoning. It's the small minded that still insist that Bush was a good call for our nation when if a little brain power were exercised, not much just a little you could see how wrong that move was!
      
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        tkyrchncs1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        It is a very dangerous thing to keep a scorpion in your pocket, and that is what has happened with Cuba. We should not allow a government so close to us which is not freely elected, and what they should be electing is a governor and legislature of an American state or territory. It would be ideal of course if we were admirable enough for them to petition to join us, but that possibility has certainly been taken care of by our long-term hostility toward their government, and by our 50 yr history of blatant bullying world wide.
        
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    DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
    
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    You admire him for being a dicatator for 50 years and locking up hordes of political prisoners? Nice! I say, "To the Wall, Fidel!"
    
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        I don't respect Stalin for using similar tactics.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
        
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        My problem with Castro is that he uses the rhetoric of communism, playing up his 50 year stand off with the U.S., etc. to maintain himself in power. He has never really been concerned with making Cuba a workers' paradise but rather in retaining ownership of his own country. He's an oppressive dictator and shouldn't be played up as a romantic figure like he is in the press. The flight of massive numbers of Cubans in the 1950's, the Marielle Boatlift, and the people who still wash up on the beach in Florida (Elian Gozales and his mother, for example) have proven that massive numbers of Cubans have never found life in Cuba that great. You're getting off the subject and making this a discussion of the rectitude of U.S. foreign policy and, in effect, giving Fidel another pass like so many other people do.
        
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