Clinton, Obama Debate in Ohio »
Posted By not2needy 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsHillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama clashed over NAFTA, health care and the war in Iraq Tuesday night in a crackling debate at close quarters one week before a pivotal group of primaries. Charges of negative campaign tactics were high on the program, too.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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FTA:
"Senator Obama has consistently said I would force people to have health care whether they can afford it or not," said Clinton, insisting it was not true.
Responding quickly, Obama countered that former first lady had consistently claimed his plan "would leave 15 million people out ... I dispute that. I think it is inaccurate," he said.
The tone was polite yet pointed, increasingly so as the 90-minute session wore on, a reflection of the stakes in a race in which Obama has won 11 straight primaries and caucuses and Clinton is in desperate need of a comeback.
Personally, i think Obama won that debate..
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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I like Obama but he could have replied to that statement by Clinton better. Alot of his campaign is based around leaving behind politics of the past and not doing something just out of spite or because someone else doing it makes it right. His response reeked of it. I wasn't paying attention though, not like I should of been. I think it was to close to call so Obama wins overall, as he is supposed to be a far weaker debater and he's leading. Again, Clinton didn't do what she needed to.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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GHOSTWHOWALKS1 year, 8 months ago
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not2: Sorry hit the wrong button.
What debate? The one I watched was certainly not a debate. Nowhere was there any substance, or questions about what this country is facing. All I heard-maybe I'm a little deaf-was "I have a plan" and "My plan is better." Judas priest. "Just how in the name of heck are they planning on paying for their grandiose plans? We owe over 9 TRILLION dollars-which set a new low. Even lower than the record set in October of 1998. Printing fiat money will only devalue the dollar even more.
One can't be bother to chair a hearing, the other sounds like a banshee. On the other side is just 100 more years of constant war and death.
I wish whomever was asking the questions would stop tossing softballs and get to the meat.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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IMO, Hillary came out with a chip on her shoulder, and before she could even answer the first question, she lost her cool. She harped on strong leadership, but couldn't keep her cool long enough to answer the first question without becoming combative.
You're right AG, she needs to cough up those records and returns! I think she was hoping that issue would die.
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Silverghost1 year, 8 months ago
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N2n: I don't know how he got away with it, but Obama intimated that she was prone to whining. LOL
It is a stretch for me, IMHO, to see her dealing with the pressing issues of the Oval Office, without her losing "her cool." Yet Obama seems quite cool under fire.
There are other issues that I would like to see further, but don't seem to be forthcoming. -Rev. S
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AntiNeoCon1 year, 8 months ago
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I liked the debate, but honestly I fell asleep thru part of it. They both did a good job. I was pleased that they could clarify some items of interest, and I thought Hillary did real well. Like she said, its a bit hard to do your records and stuff when you are on the campaign trail day and night, not going to sweat it, she will come through.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 8 months ago
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I haven't been able to see the debates as I work at night.
Just from reading and listening to these things. I'm wondering why these two aren't focussing on the economy and the cost of the war?
We could afford health care if we got out of Iraq. We could invest some othe money being wasted there o rebuilding our infrastructure and putting people back to work.
I guess I just don't get these windbags.
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jovial1 year, 8 months ago
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Cowboy, the money we are spending in Iraq is borrowed from China. We don't have any money anymore. We're broke thanks to these neocon politicians. So even if we were to stop the war today, we wouldn't have the money to pay for healthcare. We would have to end up borrowing it from China again. What's crazy is that most conservatives feel that borrowing money to fund the war is OK. It could go on indefinitely in their opinion. But if you ask for one dime to give some poor working family doctor visits, your a terorist or a communist. They think by supporting the war, they are supporting the troops. The troops that are actually fighting don't really get that much. If they get injured, they get tossed to the wayside. It really riles me up.
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TimALoftis1 year, 8 months ago
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What I have found watching these debates and I hate to admit it but I've watched 19 out of the 20 democratic debates, Senator Obama has come along way. He was awful in the earlier ones but they did not get much attention because of the number of people on stage. He now looks compose and quite confident with his answers. Senator Clinton needed to score points last night...she did not. While most pundits gave her the slight edge in last weeks debate, most of those same pundits gave it to Obama last night. No real game changer. Do the polls continue to go in obama's favor? We will know more by this weekend.
My prediction is that March 4th will be a draw. Hillary wins in RI and by 5 or 6 points in Ohio. Obama wins in Vermont and by 5 points or so in Texas.
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IanFraigun1 year, 8 months ago
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Tim if you are correct that will be the end of Hillary's campaign. She needs to not only win but win big in Ohio AND Texas. A close vote even with her winning will NOT eat enough into the delegate lead of Obama. At that point if Obama still has a substantial lead in delegates only Pennsylvania remains among the big delegate states to have thier say and they don't have enough to change the overall picture for Clinton.
If Hillary cannot win both Texas and Ohio with more than 60-65% of the vote she hs lost, its as simple as that.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
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While I prefer Obama and believe he offers more to change the lousy course our nation has taken, I am not too impressed with either of their health care plans.
We need a single-payer health care plan that removes the profit motive from the insurance companies. Profit and loss should not be related to the care of the sick.
Should our fire departments evaluate which communities should get priority when an alarm is triggered?
My hope is that Barack will do more to tackle the problems with special interests, which include the insurance companies and the military contractors. With that in mind, there may be some hope in the future for a national mandate by the people, which calls for a single-payer non profit health care plan.
The high cost of health care in our country is the result of greedy insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
(These are facts that are easily accessed by comparing the figures generated by Medicare claims and those from private insurers.)
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Silverghost1 year, 8 months ago
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SC: So, would it be better to not have free enterprise, when it comes to health care?
The alternative, IMHO, is a socialistic government run program. In my experience, the government has always messed things up when dealing with people's needs.
I'd be interested in your further view on the matter. -Rev. S
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Goppy1 year, 8 months ago
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I watched most of the debate, and I ken tell you Democrats got a couple of really good candidates there.
I definitely think Hillary is on the mony when she says she wont need no 'on the job training'. I think shes smart, tough, and so much more better qualified than our Goerge W. Bush ever was. And yall remember how elecktin an unqualified, ideologically focused person can damage a nation.
On the other hand, I really get the sense that Obama will break through a lot of DC BS. I actually liek the fact that he will meet with leaders of nations we aint been talkin to - liek Cuba.
Its crazy that we talk to the Commies in China on the other side of the world, and refuse to talk to the Commies 90 miles from our borders. I get the sense that Obama is ready to abandon craazie ideology and embrace pragmatism.
Of course, as a Christian Conservative, I find this worryin. But if I think of myself as an American, I find it refreshing and encouragin.
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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A subject that is too hot for either one of them to handle on the tube is reported on in the March 3rd issue of Newsweek magazine. It can be found online at:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/114723
Seems Clinton operatives are playing a real dirty game:
FTA: Daphna Ziman, a longtime friend of Hillary Clinton's who has co-chaired several events for her, forwarded an e-mail from the Republican Jewish Coalition, a grass-roots GOP group, criticizing Obama for proposing a Muslim summit. In a Jan. 31 interview with Paris Match, Obama said he wanted "an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows between Muslims and the West." Ziman, in her Feb. 2 e-mail, responded, "I am horrified at Mr. Obama's point of view."
"an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows between Muslims and the West."
Trying to find a bridge between the West and 1.6 billion
earthlings is "horrifying"??........Not to me.
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tchef1 year, 8 months ago
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It looks like Hillary is starting to crack under pressure. We need a leader who can keep their cool. I also like the fact that Obama wants to talk to nations that we don't get along with. This idea of alienating and demonizing (anyone got a spelling on this?) our enemies definitely isn't accomplishing any of our goals.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 8 months ago
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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joey-evans1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't understand how some of us make Hillary's experience a negative and something that she should be hampered by and conversely, Obama's lack of experience as a positive due to some sort of "too young/inexperienced to be corrupted. Huh?
First thing is you must make the assumption that Hillary is more of the same dirty politics, which is quite an assumption to make...while assuming that Obama's is squeeky clean. I know you can find anything on anyone if you dig into their respective backgrounds deep enough.
Some take issue of the bush-Clinton-bush presidencies saying enough of these political dynasties! Our lives(in my opinion) were much better during the Clinton presidency when compared to the bush quagmires. So how or why should that be viewed negatively?
I thought Hillary held her own quite well in the debate and I still do not see why this Obama mania is warranted and he is viewed as some sort of godsend of the people.
JOEY EVANS
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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Joey Evans:
People are tired of the Bush/Clinton/Bush, and possibly/Clinton possession of the WH. This has turned into something akin to a joke! And while i agree with you that the Clinton years were great, those were the years under Bill Clinton, NOT Hillary. These are two very different people, will operate in two completely differnet ways, and if you think a vote for Hillary will be another vote for Bill, i think you will be very disappointed.
Now, experience! So, is being first lady qualifying experience to be the president?? Perhaps, if you're Nancy Reagan, cuz we all know she was the one running the country the last years of Ronnies reign, and we see how that went!
Do you know something i don't know as far as Hillary's experience? I have heard that word a million times in the last few months, but haven't seen anyone clarify WHAT her immense experience is.
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redhead011 year, 8 months ago
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I just wanna say that Hillary & Obama are both acting so childish that i can barely stand too watch them ! They`re actullay making they`re debates nerveracking All i guess i really want too say is grow up both of you pleaseeeeeeeeee !
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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I hope you don't think that Hillary is going to work a miracle, because that is what it will take, no matter who gets into office in 09. Hillary is part of the establishment that allowed our economy to suffer and deteriorate under Bush so she is part of the problem, not the solution. Obama is not in nearly as deep, and I am convinced he will work to restore the economy, but it cannot and will not be done over night by anyone.
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rdrider1 year, 8 months ago
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Ok my husband and I have watched every debate on both parties, every interview, etc. we are what you would call political junkies. Hasn't anyone else noticed that Obama never really SAYS anything??! He piggy backs on the responses of others and sometimes even interrupts them to do so. He has not "said" a word. He is running around like a motivational speaker/rockstar soaking up all this support from people who don't do their home work like I do. It's really frustrating to watch peoople swoon over a guy like this. He's got less then THREE YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE POLICTICAL LANDSCAPE!
I am from Michigan where we are experiencing ( and have been for some years now) a single state recession. I will not vote for hillary because she wants to bring granholm on board! I follow politics very closely and I will NOT vote for her on the basis she may get to the white house and bring in Grannyholm.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 8 months ago
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"Hasn't anyone else noticed that Obama never really SAYS anything??! He piggy backs .... not "said" a word. He is running around like a motivational speaker/rockstar soaking"
OMG, it's not just me!!! I noticed it the most last night and mentioned that to my husband.
TY for confirming my suspicions.
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crghss1 year, 8 months ago
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She looked terrible in the debate. One advantage of being "Behind the scenes" in Bill's time. She was shielded from the world. Now she's exposed for the witch she is. No wonder Bill was bedding every women that would let him. His alternative was snuggling that piece of ICE. My only question is why the trailer trash. He could have had classy (I'm assuming) beautiful women. Instead he chose trailer trash. Go figure.
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NVRob1 year, 8 months ago
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Why is everyone saying Obama has such a huge lead in delegates that Hillary needs to win big in Texas and Ohio. I've read it here, the media keeps talking about it, but I am not seeing it. After Super Tuesday Hillary was ahead by 90 to 120 delegates depending on who was reporting the totals. The media portrayed this as deadlocked, virtually tied, no clear leader. Now Obama is ahead by 90 delegates and the media claims he is the frontrunner, way ahead. Hillary does need to win, to chip away at Obamas' 90 delegate lead. This delegate lead is about 2% of the total number of delegates. Is this a huge lead? Is it over for Hillary? Should she drop out? NO, this is a very close race. I would say it is virtually tied.
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crghss1 year, 8 months ago
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Nice spin. But when you've winning under 50% of the vote and you need over 57% to 60% of the vote to win your in trouble. Couple that with the super delegates leaving her and going to Obama it's pretty much over. The Clinton's arrogance and running rough shod over everyone for 8 years is coming back to haunt them. Payback is a bitch. Her own party wants her gone. When the Clinton's raised tons of money for the DNC everyone loved them, now that they can't and Obama does, well move over, there's a new sheriff in town.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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NVRob this issue is Clinton's strategy for winning has been completely derailed. She planned to easily beat Obama on Super Tuesday and coast from there. Obama's strategy was always one of an uphill fight, a battle against Goliath. Now Clinton is finding herself running against a candidate that is in every way her equal in numbers, actually a bit more then her, and she's not planned for it. Obama's planning, if it does anything, will probably act as over-compensation and large wins in the areas he already has deadlocked (the red states mainly) and virtual ties in the remaining blue states (or outright wins for Obama) in all likelihood. She has to win all three because those are really the only upcoming large states that she can hope to throw up against Obama's collection of small states. The DNC will probably be the decider if Hillary doesn't withdraw and she's losing DNC support now.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm too biased to say who won the debate.
I'm still puzzled as to how the Clinton Machine has been annilated by a realtively unknown.
Just when you'd think the country had a chance to prove they aren't sexist they still went with a man in the leadership role and afyrt all Hillary has done for her party too. It's baffling to me.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't really think its sexism though. As much as it may seem like that at times, I think its that Hillary badly underestimated Obama. That underestimation derailed her on Super Tuesday and she had no planning really for after that day. She expected to basically be the nominee. She didn't expect the bias of the press for Obama. She didn't sell the election as an uphill fight for her supporters so she had very few "fervent" supporters. Obama, constantly selling his campaign as a sort of David vs Goliath has that extremely hardcore support that won't waver. Now with Obama showing his oratory skills at every opportunity and tapping into the political winds of today... well, Clinton is losing all her support. She's simply been completely out-campaigned. Everyone underestimated Obama. I know for a conservative its anathema on me to say this, but I think that either Democrat would do better then McCain.
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KYRed1 year, 8 months ago
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Obama won as far as I am concerned. The icing on the cake came early, when Clinton cackled after seeing the bit of video of her making fun of Obama and said something about needing some humor. Well, as we all know, or should know, Clinton said weeks earlier that the real fun was coming. I guess this is what she meant by fun, making fun of Obama. To me, however, it doesn't matter which one wins the nomination. Neither will get my vote. Nor McCain. Maybe I will vote for Mickey Mouse.
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