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Feb. 27, 2008 | The more I write about global warming, the more I realize I share some things in common with the doubters and deniers who populate the blogosphere and the conservative movement. Like them, I am dubious about the process used by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to write its reports. Like them, I am skeptical

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Things I have learned about Propeller:

1. There are some people on Propeller who it is impossible to have a discussion ...

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ForrestPhelps
Feb. 26, 2008, 11:33 p.m.
I suppose I found this article well-reasoned and insightful because I think global warming is real, man-made and a problem. I just hope the discussion can remain on topic and un-personal.
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RickyDawkins
Feb. 27, 2008, 12:21 a.m.
Yup, it's settled. :)
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jovial
Feb. 27, 2008, 12:26 a.m.
They'll still come on this post and deny it. It's like some people are just hostile to the truth.
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ETproductions
Feb. 27, 2008, 12:36 a.m.
My impression is that an increasing number of the CONS who have been conducting the War on Science are coming to realize that we (all humanity) are in in the middle of the ocean on this and that it doesn't matter whose end of the ship is sinking. If we go under in the deepest part of the sea, we all are doomed.
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Spadecaller
Feb. 27, 2008, 7:28 a.m.
"...Climate data clearly show the reports dramatically understate the impact." True... but this information was arrived at by the majority of those involved in researching the science to back it.
I disagree with the comments on "consensus". There is a big difference between the 'consensus among scientists' and a 'consensus of opinion'.
Einstein aptly stated that the best indicator of reliable scientific theory and scientific fact is to consider what the majority of scientists conclude on any given scientific study.
The consensus of scientists is based on the most logical distillation of available information on a given subject, whereas the consensus of "opinion" includes belief and mere hypothesis. The consensus among scientists is not dependent on politics, trend, or religious dogma.
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Klarissa
Feb. 27, 2008, 9:56 a.m.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/20...
January 2008 - Cooler and Wetter than Average in Western U.S., Warmer in Northeast 31st Warmest Globally
The contiguous U.S. temperature during January 2008 was near average, according to an analysis by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville NC. Temperatures across much of the western U.S. were cooler than average, while temperatures were warmer than average in the Northeast, which had its 20th warmest January on record. An active pattern brought heavy rain and snow to the West and helped ease drought conditions in parts of the region, but 26% of the nation remained in some stage of drought. The global average surface temperature in January was the 31st warmest on record, based on preliminary data.
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Klarissa
Feb. 27, 2008, 9:59 a.m.
Global Highlights
The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January was the 31st warmest on record, 0.32ï¿½;Â°F/0.18ï¿½;Â°C above the 20th century mean. Temperatures were colder than average across large parts of central and southern Asia.
The January global land surface average was below the 20th century mean (-0.02ï¿½;Â°F/-0.01ï¿½;Â°C) for the first time since 1982.
We still don't have enough information to have anything but "opinions".
A consensus assumes that everything that is needed to make a decision is known.
A study is going on now in antarctica to find out if the volcano there is responsible for melting the bottoms of the ice sheets.
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Klarissa
Feb. 27, 2008, 10:44 a.m.
The winter of 1932 was so cold that Niagara Falls froze completely solid.
I'm sure it's been warmer since then!!!!
Just shows that some years are extremes, and some are in the middle.
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joe-schmo
Feb. 27, 2008, 11:37 a.m.
drier to much drier than average conditions affected the Plains and areas from the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic to the Northeast.
Dry conditions in Texas continued a pattern that began four months ago, when conditions changed from unusually wet (wettest January-September on record for the state) to a string of four straight drier than average months. By the first week of February moderate to severe drought had developed in large parts of the state, which aided in the development of numerous early-season wildfires affecting the state.
The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January was the 31st warmest on record, 0.32Â°F/0.18Â°C above the 20th century mean.
it was the warmest January on record in Australia.
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joe-schmo
Feb. 27, 2008, 11:43 a.m.
According to the Bureau of Meteorology (BoM), temperatures were 3-4Ã;;Ã;Â°C (5-7Ã;;Ã;Â°F) above average across large areas in Western and Central Australia. The January 2008 average temperature for the nation was 1.23Ã;;Ã;Â°C (2.21Ã;;Ã;Â°F) above the 1961-1990 mean, which exceeded the previous record of 1.16Ã;;Ã;Â°C ( 2.09Ã;;Ã;Â°F) set in January 1999.
The global average ocean surface temperatures (SSTs) in January were the 17th warmest on record, with a monthly anomaly of 0.45Ã;;Ã;Â°F/0.25Ã;;Ã;Â°C above the 20th century mean.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research
/2008/jan/jan08.html
Actually all of it points to our screwed up climate!
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Cityslicker
Feb. 27, 2008, 5:11 p.m.
There was once a forest in Greenland where the Ice Sheet is now .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/62765...
A complete melt of the ice sheet would cause a global sea level rise of about 7m; but the current picture indicates that while some regions are thinning, others are apparently getting thicker.
Square wheels go clump , clump .
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Rooster211
Feb. 27, 2008, 6:17 p.m.
Personally, I'd like a little Global Warming. It's only 16F here in Michigan, right now.
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KYRed
Feb. 28, 2008, midnight
I'd love a bit of global warming now. I'm freezing my little butt off here in Central KY. Man, come on summer!!!
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agentX
Feb. 29, 2008, 7:29 a.m.
"The paleoclimate record shouts out to us that, far from being self-stabilizing, the Earth's climate system is an ornery beast which overreacts even to small nudges."
Great. you hear that, SUV drivers?! Stop nudging the climate! Get your asses out and walk for a change!