The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dennett »
Posted By RickyDawkins 1 year, 8 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentIn this conversation the group trades stories of the public reaction to their recent books, their unexpected successes, criticisms, and common misrepresentations. They discuss the tough questions about religion that face the world today, and propose new strategies for going forward.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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Here is the link to the main page:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2025,THE-FOUR...
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Neophile1 year, 8 months ago
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Great discussion. Here's the link to the 2nd hour:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-225595...
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm not in a position to view the video right now, so I won't vote or sink.
I'm happy for atheists to have made their choice on the matter of faith. However, if this video is simply a rehash of their positions that "All evils in the world proceed from religion" and "Only evil or stupid people are religious"...the story will certainly get a sink from me.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 8 months ago
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SOTM..do you really think people choose to believe or make a choice to have faith?
I mean anyone can say, act, follow a path etc...but how can one just decide what they will believe or not? you do, don't or not sure, lots of times that changes throughout ones life.
Just my personal experiance I have found that those who claim to be most religious are most often the most critical and judgemental of those who don't believe. I remember as a child being asked a few times in a church or by relatives 'well you believe in God don't you?' and being made to go through the motions- I felt 'forced' to lie because I can just imagine what kind of remarks and or glares I would have gotten if I had said no,or said 'eh..I don't know' there are plenty of good people and bad in ALL walks of life, people should be judged on their actions and character, nothing else.
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 8 months ago
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I find it interesting that these brilliant folks are using argument to attempt to prove their concept.
What evidence do they offer?
It strikes me that they are speaking as philosophers rather than scientists.
I think Roger Bacon had a bit to say about the value of argument compared to empirical logic.
"There are two methods of knowledge: the one by argument, the other by experience. Mere argument is never sufficient; it may decide a question, but gives no satisfaction or certainty to the mind, which can only be convinced by immediate inspection or intuition. Now this is what experience gives. But experience is of two sorts, external and internal; the first is that usually called experiment, but it can give no complete knowledge even of corporeal things, much less of spiritual. On the other hand, in inner experience the mind is illuminated by the divine truth"
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 8 months ago
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Another Person that totally embraced empirical thinking was St. Thomas Aquinas. In his belief in both the empirical and the metaphysical he describes God by what God is not.
" 1. God is simple, without composition of parts, such as body and soul, or matter and form.
2. God is perfect, lacking nothing. That is, God is distinguished from other beings on account of God's complete actuality.
3. God is infinite. That is, God is not finite in the ways that created beings are physically, intellectually, and emotionally limited. This infinity is to be distinguished from infinity of size and infinity of number.
4. God is immutable, incapable of change on the levels of God's essence and character.
5. God is one, without diversification within God's self. The unity of God is such that God's essence is the same as God's existence. In Aquinas's words, "in itself the proposition 'God exists' is necessarily true, for in it subject and predicate are the same."
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memestryker1 year, 8 months ago
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I wonder if you see all the people gathered together on Sundays in churches as people giving "belief" circle jerks?
There is some glory in ignorance that seems almost like a siren's song for religious people. For some, there seems to be an inherent need for someone else to give them "the answer." There is a lot of fear associated with being responsible for figuring things out for themselves.
Religion is nicely packaged, tells people what they want to hear, and makes them feel like they have a framework within which to live. I imagine it's very comforting for those who believe and/or need it.
I think it's much more difficult to deal with the world as it is, without a supernatural crutch. The Four Horsemen are really charting new territory--without advocating religious or political ideologies. They truly are on a quest for truth--something many religions falsely claim to represent.
People enjoy others who agree with them--even if it's superstition.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 8 months ago
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Never listen to what experts say as there are two unsinkable items off the coast of NFLD. the Titanic and the Ocean Ranger; according to experts the Exxon Valdez could never happen; also the world is going to warm up oopps I mean cool down; sh it I don't know what I mean.
Then watch an enviro trial and see all the experts on both sides tell it how it is, wow I am so confused
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smithichie1 year, 8 months ago
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While I understand your sentiment, how far do you think the Titanic or Valdez would have sailed had they been built by people wholly unfamilar with ship design or ship building?
I think the fact that experts can be wrong is a bit different than saying NEVER listen to experts.
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