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  RickyDawkins

  Feb. 29, 2008, 11:44 a.m.

  Here is the link to the main page:

  http://richarddawkins.net/article,2025,THE-FOUR...
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  Klarissa

  Feb. 29, 2008, 12:11 p.m.

  We are privileged to have Ricky and any of the other three take the time to express their views on Propeller
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  SonOfTheMask

  Feb. 29, 2008, 12:40 p.m.

  I'm not in a position to view the video right now, so I won't vote or sink.

  I'm happy for atheists to have made their choice on the matter of faith. However, if this video is simply a rehash of their positions that "All evils in the world proceed from religion" and "Only evil or stupid people are religious"...the story will certainly get a sink from me.
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  sumptuousdigs

  Feb. 29, 2008, 1:09 p.m.

  Good post, rdy2rck!
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  flyonthewallzz

  Feb. 29, 2008, 7:35 p.m.

  I find it interesting that these brilliant folks are using argument to attempt to prove their concept.

  What evidence do they offer?

  It strikes me that they are speaking as philosophers rather than scientists.

  I think Roger Bacon had a bit to say about the value of argument compared to empirical logic.

  "There are two methods of knowledge: the one by argument, the other by experience. Mere argument is never sufficient; it may decide a question, but gives no satisfaction or certainty to the mind, which can only be convinced by immediate inspection or intuition. Now this is what experience gives. But experience is of two sorts, external and internal; the first is that usually called experiment, but it can give no complete knowledge even of corporeal things, much less of spiritual. On the other hand, in inner experience the mind is illuminated by the divine truth"
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  flyonthewallzz

  Feb. 29, 2008, 7:46 p.m.

  Another Person that totally embraced empirical thinking was St. Thomas Aquinas. In his belief in both the empirical and the metaphysical he describes God by what God is not.

  " 1. God is simple, without composition of parts, such as body and soul, or matter and form.

  2. God is perfect, lacking nothing. That is, God is distinguished from other beings on account of God's complete actuality.

  3. God is infinite. That is, God is not finite in the ways that created beings are physically, intellectually, and emotionally limited. This infinity is to be distinguished from infinity of size and infinity of number.

  4. God is immutable, incapable of change on the levels of God's essence and character.

  5. God is one, without diversification within God's self. The unity of God is such that God's essence is the same as God's existence. In Aquinas's words, "in itself the proposition 'God exists' is necessarily true, for in it subject and predicate are the same."
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  TOD396

  March 1, 2008, 11:03 a.m.

  Watched it. And all I saw was 4 old men giving each other an intellectual circle jerk.
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  HannibalBarca

  March 1, 2008, 11:46 a.m.

  Never listen to what experts say as there are two unsinkable items off the coast of NFLD. the Titanic and the Ocean Ranger; according to experts the Exxon Valdez could never happen; also the world is going to warm up oopps I mean cool down; sh it I don't know what I mean.

  Then watch an enviro trial and see all the experts on both sides tell it how it is, wow I am so confused

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