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IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
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not sure if those are blinders or rose-colored glasses youre wearing there ani. but hey, whatever makes you feel better.
what are YOU gonna do this summer? if i had to guess, id say you and all cons will spend it trying to forget how the conservative pundits savaged McCain early on, and how YOU and all the other see-thru cons here cheered them on as they did so. (you guys are just SO cute sometimes)
then youll all try and forget how, first, your group was for biden, then thompson, then huckabee, then ANYONE BUT MCCAIN. some went do far as to say theyd "stay home", or even worse, they said theyd vote for "that b*tch," before they finally said theyd vote for McCain. which we ALWAYS knew is what cons were gonna do anyway.
if you try really, really hard, by nov you just might convince yourselves you were for John all along, maybe. but, (and you can count on this) we'll be reminding you EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!
yall have a nice summah now, ya heah?
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IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
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irrelevant.
McCains chances are ALMOST as good as the proverbial snowball in h*lls chances are.
i can NOT believe how totally clueless conservatives are about this election. are yall living in denial? or does your "thinking" ONLY allow you to see your own perspective?
heres the deal: this election, no matter HOW much cons want to believe otherwise, is about TWO things and TWO things ONLY:
1. The War: Americans are OVERWHELMINGLY against continuing the failed policies of the bush administration. all McCain offers is more of the same, and americans arent buying it!
2. bill was right when he said, "its the ecomony, stupid." unless youre in the top income bracket (which 90 % of americans are NOT) the economy sucks! and its the fault of 8 years of bushs economic policies. McCain thinks the way to help american families in this economy is to make bushs tax cuts for the rich and corporate america permanent. americans arent buying THAT either!
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IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
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actually, he was always gonna be the nominee. was never a doubt. romney was a flash in the pan, who, along with rudy, has flip flopped so many times, on so many issues, that they are dizzy. thompson? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! please! you have NO idea how hard we libs were laughing as cons tried to breath life into a walking corpse! ron who? tancredo, LOL he made ron paul look like a frontrunner. and as for huckabee, you can just forget it, itll NEVER happen. i cant see america electing an elmer gantry anyway, but especially when they are dumb enough to talk about amending the constitution to agree with god. can you say theocracy? they have one of those in Iran. hows that working for them?
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UnusualSuspect1 year, 8 months ago
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And, the same with Hillary. Many wondered why she didn't give it up in the last few weeks, but she stuck to it, and has come back a bit. It's not over til it's over, right?
But I have to say, I have a sister who's always been a staunch Republican, and a few other Republican friends who think McCain has an uphill battle this November. I don't care about his age, really, that's not important or relevant. It's his ideas, and opinions, just like Hillary's or Barack's, that matter.
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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Recent polls also showed Obama leading Clinton in Ohio. Reality proved otherwise. So much for public opinion polls lol.>>>>
Ahh, but you're assuming that those who were polled voted in the primary. Most people don't go to primaries. And from all the numbers, less republicans do than democrats. Maybe the conservatives didn't like their choices, so didn't bother, lol.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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You may not want to count your chickens before they hatch. Imagine this scenario:
Clinton is nominated to run against McCain. The Independents look at McCain, who seems to have been groomed as a "maverick" to run against Clinton, and they look at Clinton. Clinton appears as party establishment. The Independents decide they do want change and remember McCain's financial situation and issues and decide that Clinton has more lobbyist dollars then McCain does, particularly after remembering anti-lobbyist legislation of McCain's. At the same time a terrorist attack strikes the United States or one of our close allies. The Independents decide to vote for the former PoW over Clinton. The fact is that Clinton is beatable by McCain. Obama not so much, something truly remarkable would have to happen for Obama to lose. He can attract more Independents then McCain can.
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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This is true, but there are two other points to consider. First, it's true Hillary won't win over Independents, but she will unite the Democratic Party. In fact, she has a higher approval rating among Democrats than even Obama does. McCain, on the other hand, decidedly divides the Republican Party. In fact, quite a few conservatives and Evangelicals supported Huckabee until the very end. So McCain may be able to win over Independents, but he may not be able to win over his own base. If McCain can't energize his base, I'm not sure he will have enough to win.
Secondly, both Hillary Clinton and Obama are (1) out-fundraising McCain and (2) breaking records for voter turnout. This alone is troubling news for McCain supporters.
But this is all moot anyway because by November we'll only have two choices: a Democrat or a liberal RINO. McCain is the candidate the Republican establishment did NOT want to win. So anyway you look at it, the public has spoken and the neocons have lost.
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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Do you have a data-supported counterargument to contribute, or is this feeble response really all you can muster?
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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The thing is with McCain energizing his base... Clinton, if nominated, will end up doing that for him. McCain would have a hugely difficult time beating Obama. Clinton would be the Democrats choosing to make it a close race. She energizes the GOP base and the Democrats lose alot of Independents and younger voters. Alot of Democrats might stay home because McCain is seen as acceptable to alot of the conservative Democrats. Its difficult to find a Republican finding a Clinton acceptable and they'll turn out in droves to vote for McCain over Clinton. Also if McCain keeps his campaign clean he can play off the "Clinton" factor. The "Clinton Factor" being the belief that the Clinton's play dirty politics. If he seems to be attempting to keep it clean it will play in his favor.
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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MDLAR:
"McCain energizing his base...Clinton will end up doing that for him."
I don't know if that's true. Quite a few Republicans are outspoken against him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/politics/1...
"Mr. Rush Limbaugh held out little hope that Mr. McCain could sway him to his side. 'It's entirely possible I will go the distance without saying I support a candidate,' he said."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/01...
"Ann Coulter said she is prepared to campaign on Clinton's behalf should McCain win the party's nomination. 'John McCain is not only bad for Republicanism, which he definitely is â;; he is bad for the country,' she said. Coulter is the latest high profile conservative to express dismay with McCain's surging candidacy. 'He is not the choice of conservatives.' Rush Limbaugh said."
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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It's entirely possible that in the end, you may be right--there is hope McCain can unite his party. However, that is not the case yet and it's certainly not a given.
MDLAR:
"McCain would have a hugely difficult time beating Obama. Clinton would be the Democrats choosing to make it a close race."
That's true. Obama both unites the Democratic Party AND steals Independents from McCain. He also appeals to the black vote, which could help him steal Southern states with a high black population (like South Carolina). Clinton and Obama both match up well against McCain, with Obama being the even better matchup.
MDLAR:
"Alot of Democrats might stay home."
That is not what the current data suggests. The current data shows BOTH Clinton and Obama setting records for voter turnout. There are no indications that Democrats this enthusiastic to vote for Clinton (or Obama) in a primary will fail to appear for the general election.
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IanFraigun1 year, 8 months ago
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Good analysis. McCain accepting Bush's endorsement along with the desire of some democrats to give the nomination to Clinton make no sense. Both are attempts to give the election to the opposing party.
Simply put if the democrats want to win in the least expensive and easiest way they need to nominate Obama. If McCain wants to win he needs to distance himself from the Bush that even many republicans hate and he needs to pray daily that gasoline does not hit and stay above $4 A Barrel as that would be the final coffin nail for McCain.
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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JOSE
"That's hilarious. McCain a RINO?"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/01...
"Exit polls from the early-primary states have shown the he has consistently lost among those primary voters who identify themselves as conservative. 'McCain is not the choice of conservatives,' Limbaugh said."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/politics/1...
"'What he has got to be concerned with,' Mr. Limbaugh said of Mr. McCain, 'is all these Republican voters who say right now they're so fed up they're not going to vote at all.'"
JOSE:
"You're point about turnout, while interesting, is irrelevant."
No, it's VERY relevant. Last I checked, elections were still won by votes. Democrats are so hungry to boot Republicans from the White House, they are showing up in record numbers for BOTH Clinton and Obama. You have ZERO EVIDENCE to prove these very same Democrats will fail to vote in a general election.
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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JOSE:
"The Jewish community in this country will back McCain over Obama, Latinos are not turned off by him, and conservatives will look at a moderate-conservative like McCain and a corrupt socialist like Obama and it will be no contest."
Again, you provide ZERO EVIDENCE of how the Jewish community will vote. You provide ZERO EVIDENCE of how Latinos will vote.
What's even more laughable is that you level the charge of corruption against Obama, who has NEVER been investigated for corruption. FYI, it is Rezko, NOT Obama, who is under investigation. Likewise, it was an Obama aide, NOT Obama himself, who may or may not have made remarks about NAFTA.
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IanFraigun1 year, 8 months ago
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Let me give you some facts to contest what Jose says. I happen to be from a Jewish family with extended relatives of almost 50 people. So far each and every one of them will vote democrat no matter which candidate wins. We argue constantly about who is better Obama or Clinton, but at the end of the day everyone of us will vote for the one nominated.
If that is anything typical of middle class jewish families in this country then their vote will be overwelmingly for democrats no matter which one.
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ybdogsct1 year, 8 months ago
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4365942&...
"Obama is not considered a target of the Rezko investigation, and the Obama campaign says it has donated to charity some $160,000 that can be traced to Rezko. Jay Stewart, the executive director of the Chicago Better Government Association, acknowledges Obama was 'a cut above' most state legislators and reliably supported ethics legislation."
This negative publicity is merely a political ploy to denigrate Obama, even though he hasn't been charged or accused of wrongdoing himself. Contrast this with Clinton and McCain both of whom have been investigated for corruption--Clinton for Whitewater and McCain for the Keating 5 scandal.
But by all means if you have evidence of Obama himself being involved in corruption and bribery, then by all means, POST IT. Show me evidence of a quid pro quo relationship by posting ONE BILL Obama pushed through Congress that directly benefited Rezko. It's time for you to put up or shut up.
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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First, it's true Hillary won't win over Independents, but she will unite the Democratic Party. In fact, she has a higher approval rating among Democrats than even Obama does.>>>>
lol, I don't think so.
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IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
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where do you get this garbage? really, i want to know.... i want to tune in that comedy show.... is it rush? hannity? mAnn? billO? really ani, where do you hear all this lame cr@p that you run here to parrot before you even consider whether it makes sense or not.
how do you know thats true? (do you even care if its true or not? of course you dont) how does whoever youre parroting know its true, or do they not care either?
a story runs about obama, theres a guy who knows the clintons working there, obviously its a clinton plant. whether it is or not, right?
its a good thing im not drinking right now. im laughing so hard it would probably be coming out my nose.
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lovemylibs1 year, 8 months ago
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You are right, of course, IcCaRus. It's not someone named Kendall that pulls the strings for the Clinton's. The guy at National Enquirer who plants stuff for the Clinton's is Roger Altman. See John Edwards and his love affair with a filmamker for an example of how this angle is worked by NE if you're not too busy blowing your nose.
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aceofspades11 year, 8 months ago
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This weeks Enquirer has pages, and pages about Obama scandals.
Ani - is that between the stories of alien abduction & the 6 headed baby?
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markmawn21 year, 8 months ago
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"McCains chances are ALMOST as good as the proverbial snowball in h*lls chances are"
Yes, but Bush getting a second term has showed that there must have been some Global Cooling in H**L. Don't underestimate the power of controlled media and Republican owned electronic voting systems.
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IcCaRus1 year, 8 months ago
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not to mention good old fashion republican voter fraud. wonder how many republicans in ohio will go to jail THIS election?
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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Don't underestimate the power of controlled media and Republican owned electronic voting systems.>>>>
Which is what they're trying to do right now, by buying diebold. Did you know that the guy who works for McCain (the special interest guy who McCain says don't represent him) also reps for the company trying to buy diebold voting machines? But it gets even curiouser. HIS boss reps for Hillary.
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markmawn21 year, 8 months ago
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Yeah, you probably read one of my other posts where I broke the story.
What do that say about serving two masters?
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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Yeah, you probably read one of my other posts where I broke the story. >>>>
No, I missed that. Heard it from Thom Hartmann. Couldn't find a pen fast enough to take down the names. But this is a big deal, and for the life of me don't understand why people disconnect with the importance of who handles our voting system.
No private entity should be counting the votes. Why aren't people outraged about diebold's owners being top donating republicans? Are we really so naive'? Or are we just stupid? Just thinking out loud.
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aceofspades11 year, 8 months ago
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don't worry Ani - that egomanic Nader & his misguided supporters will sabotage another election.
the blood of Iraq is on his hands
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