Dean Urges Do-Over Voting in Fla., Mich. »
Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsThe former head of the Democratic National Committee said Thursday it was doubtful DNC Chairman Howard Dean would be able to get approval for a plan for do-over presidential nomination contests in Florida and Michigan.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
A do over? You have to be kidding me. What about those that voted and wouldn't be able to do so again, do their votes now not count? What about those that didn't think the first round was worthy of voting on but decide now to do so because of the history of it all and the 'power' welded in said vote?
Look either do what you said and not use the delegates and take the high ground or take it to the mud pits and get dirty and steal the election and prove that you will do ANYTHING to get what you want. But a do over? OMG this isn't an elementary school parlor game.
If it is decided to be done, I want the Hillary machine to pay the costs for the do overs.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS1 year, 3 months ago
Nope. Florida and Michigan bear the cost. They were told what would happen and went ahead anyway. Rules are rules and this is just plain stupid. Both states are responsible for this and should pay for their own mistakes. Like forest says, "stupid is what stupid does."
Amazing how Florida just can't seem to get out of the pig sty.
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annoDomini1 year, 3 months ago
I think that the position of the DNC in these cases is that MI and FL still have the chance to hold VALID primaries. It isn't really a "do-over" from the DNC perspective. Whatever MI and FL did before was not a valid primary (because it violated the rules that ALL the states had agreed to). As such, IF the states hold primaries sometime between now and June, they wouldn't really be "do-overs", but would, in fact, be simply the actual, real, valid primaries that the states SHOULD have scheduled all along.
Therefore, there isn't any issue with someone who voted before, but can't vote now or vice versa. The voters that would vote in a primary now are exactly the voters that would have voted if the states had followed the rules.
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
Do you have any idea what caused this fiasco in the first place?
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ETproductions1 year, 3 months ago
Either do it over or don't count it. It's not the DNC trying to disenfranchise the voters of Florida and Michigan. It's their own state politicians. If the state doesn't want to pay to do it by the rules, then let the voters of the state take it out on the idiots who broke the rules to begin with.
If you let these states slide, then no party will be able to set and enforce ANY rules to keep the primary system manageable. Every state will vote to leapfrog all the others and go first, and we will eventually be holding primaries to nominate people who haven't even been born yet.
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
My fellow Democrats should not use the do-over option. We should save that one for the general election in case we need it.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
How could this be fair?
What about the candidates no longer in the race?
If the dems had actually counted Michigan and Florida the drop outs might not needed to drop out?
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RedstateLib1 year, 3 months ago
Actually James Carvelle said that the campaigns should split the cost. He also said he would start fundraising for Clintons half as soon a the Obama camp agrees. So far I don't believe Obama's side has responded.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
Ya know it's MUCH harder to kick a Field Goal than it is to score a Touch Down, So lets "re-score" the Super bowl and make Field Goal count for 7 points and Touch Downs count for 3 points!
No wait to be fair we need to "Re-Score" the ENTIRE season! Ya that's the ticket
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kboy1 year, 3 months ago
The rules were set by the Democratic Party and now that some of them recognize that they have stepped on themselves, it is their problem to sort out (and they have to pay for everything it will take to do it). It is time (unlike most political actions) to accept the consequences of their own actions and not put it on the backs of the middle class.
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capecoralM1 year, 3 months ago
So exactly what entity would pay for a "Do-Over" This is an absolute abomination of the election system being perpetrated by the Democratic Party. Is it the citizens of each states fault, who would through the taxes they pay be responsible for the general costs, that the Democrat(ic)s at the Federal level decided to ignore the states right to hold the elections whenever they wanted. It is an iconic picture of the current leaders of the Democrat(ic) party that they want to rule the nation from a centralized government entity and ignore the 10th amendment "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
Al Sharpton, isn't happy. If for some reason Hillay does steal the election Al Hinted that there will be some serious race problems that will ensue.
It's it interesting that it would be the Democratic party that would even think about stealing the chance for Blacks to have their first president? THe next time anyone form the left calls you a racist, just laugh at them.
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Albmore1 year, 3 months ago
Is this how the democrats plans to lead our nation. They cannot even abide by thier own party rules. Billary is getting nervous. This is the partz that is suppose to untite America? They cannot even untie half of it. Look at how many law suit exchanges there have been between Billary and Obama in the primary alone. What a joke.
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Albmore1 year, 3 months ago
Is this how the democrats plans to lead our nation. They cannot even abide by thier own party rules. Billary is getting nervous. This is the party that is suppose to untite America? They cannot even untie half of it. Look at how many law suit exchanges there have been between Billary and Obama in the primary alone. What a joke.
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earthlingerer1 year, 3 months ago
Almost as much of a joke as the purposeful marginalization of Ron Paul, the ONLY real republican running.
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Albmore1 year, 3 months ago
Is this how the democrats plans to lead our nation. They cannot even abide by thier own party rules. Billary is getting nervous. This is the party that is suppose to untite America? They cannot even untie half of it. Look at how many law suit exchanges there have been between Billary and Obama in the primary alone. What a joke.
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jaern1 year, 3 months ago
As a Michigan resident, I'm frustrated by this whole thing. The way I see it is after the presidential election of 2000 voters really don't have a say anyway. The super delegates will decide who the party candidate is regardless of whether mine and other statesmen's votes are counted in the primary elections or not. Our state cannot afford a "do-over" and nor should we pay for one. We made a stand that our voices should be heard earlier and we should not back down w/ a do-over primary or caucus. Howard Dean can go screw himself.
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annoDomini1 year, 3 months ago
How could it be that if MI and FL hold primaries now that they would be betraying "the very foundation of fair play"?Holding primaries now is exactly within the rules that they agreed to before any primaries started. Several other states are still yet to hold their primaries too. Doing the primary now would not break any rules at all.
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IanFraigun1 year, 3 months ago
This decision will not be made by the democratic party (national party). The final decision must be made by the state party that decided to violate the national rules on when a primary can be held. In fact the whole flap is over the national party sticking to the rules that all states, including Michigan and Florida, agreed to follow.
I give the national party credit for sticking with the known rules and turning their back on the other 48 states that not only agreed to but followed those rules.
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Harbeas1 year, 3 months ago
No do over! The political process is already way beyond any reasonable or sane financial costs. We are making sure that only the rich can afford to run for office. This is not what our founding fathers had in mind. The government gives each bonafide candidate x number of dollars for their campaign. They should have to make do with that sum! That is all they can spend and no more. No donations of any kind can be accepted.
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Wolfie20071 year, 3 months ago
Hey, ani, this is really fun watching the democrats trying to be cool and act like they've got it all covered but in the background they're cracking up. Here is the best part, if the democrats are this shortsighted when it comes to their own party do you really think they are in any position to run the country. Judging by our 2006 democrat congress the answer is emphatically, NO.
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Jaydee401 year, 3 months ago
I really don't think you could come up with worse or more complicated way to have an election, it's like it's made for being manipulated by the parties. Why not simple call an election and have it within 30 days and candidates can only spend x amount of dollars. All voting is done on one day except for those who will not be able to vote on that day and they have one day a week before.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
That makes too much sense. That is how it is done in Parliamentary governments.
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STronnes1 year, 3 months ago
The DNC rules regarding the primary were decided a year and a half ago. All states knew about it and what the consequences would be, as did all the candidates. Michigan and, especially, Florida are crying foul. Too bad. They knew the rules and they knew the consequences when they decided to move their primaries. Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove are on Hillary's side in this. So is the Republican Governor of Florida. It seems to me that Florida did not care if they disenfranchised Democratic voters in 2000, why should they care now, except that Republicans want to have Hillary as the nominee because they think she will be easier to beat in November.
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
This is true. The Republicans have mountains of stuff on the Clintons and I'm sure that they can't wait to start throwing it at her.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
You people keep ignoring that in Florida the vote was nearly unanimous in the legislature.
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coreyspring1 year, 3 months ago
Both states violated the rules, and they knew they'd be punished for it - the punishment should stand.
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annoDomini1 year, 3 months ago
If Sens. Clinton and Obama really want to show how much they care about the voters of MI and FL, what they should do is agree to each kick in half the $ to hold valid primaries. Both of the campaigns have raised amazing amounts of $ in Feb - 35M for Clinton, 55M for Obama! - so paying for primaries in MI and FL would be only a small sum for them.
If I had to guess, I'd say that it will have no effect on the outcome of the race because both candidates are likely to garner about 50% of the delegates. You might think it would all just be a waste of money, but think about it:
* The DNC doesn't have to back down.
* The candidates get all the good will.
* The voters are heard.
* The delegations are accepted.
Sounds like a win, win, win, win...
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 3 months ago
Regardless how the Florida and Michigan conundrum is resolved, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee I will sit this election out. I will NOT vote for her under any circumstances.
If Senator Clinton is elected President, I will have to seriously consider moving to another country (Costa Rica might do). I firmly believe that she is such an awful choice that the future of the nation will be immediately imperiled, and that the freedoms Americans have so long taken for granted will be destroyed. As bad as George W. Bush has been, I do not think e can survive a President who will compound and exaggerate every mistake Bush has made.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
The DNC doesn't have that much money. Their fund raising under Dean stinks.
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