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Posted By not2needy 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsPresident Bush said Saturday he vetoed legislation that would ban the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods such as waterboarding to break suspected terrorists because it would end practices that have prevented attacks.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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"The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror," Bush said in his weekly radio address taped for broadcast Saturday. "So today I vetoed it," Bush said. The bill provides guidelines for intelligence activities for the year and includes the interrogation requirement. It passed the House in December and the Senate last month.
"This is no time for Congress to abandon practices that have a proven track record of keeping America safe," the president said.
Does Bush really think that waterboarding, interrogations, etc are the reason we haven't been attacked again?
IMO, if he does, he is even more nuts than i originally thought.
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Goppy1 year, 8 months ago
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He aint nuts not2needy! Hes stayin true to his fake Christian Conservative ideeology.
- advocatin Torture,
- Pre-emptive war,
- lyin to make the case for the war,
- expandin spy programs to look into private American lives,
- makin shure those who do the spyin are held unnaccountble,
- makin shure kids dont get health care,
- cuttin fundin for head trauma care for injured soldiers,
Its all part of the craaazie Neo-Con philosophie of crazieness that we Christian Conservatives support!
Im so glad we Christians dont believe in Jesus no more. We much prefer this craaazie neo-con ideeologie!
Amen.
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Locky121 year, 8 months ago
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You guys have missed the whole point.
It's a tool.
Not a heavily used tool.
In fact it's only been used
THREE TIMES
that number again: 3.
And those three are the masterminds of 9/11.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR ANY TOOL TO BE THROWN OUT OF THE BOX ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS USED ONLY UNDER THE MOST DIRE OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
God Bless us all that we have a president that understands that!
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Blackacereturn1 year, 8 months ago
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This guy is plump out of his mind. How do we manage the world when we break the laws ourselves? How can we say to China don't go into Thailand when we are doing what we are doing? This guy has eroded if not all almost all of our credibility. OPEC telling the US to go to hell, who ever thought they would see the day. His arrogance is creating global isolation and we are starting to feel it, take a look at the dollar exchange around the world it's nothing. For crying out loud Canada has a stronger dollar than us!!!
It's beyond me that people are still on this guys side. I find it rather Un - American to even call bush the P word...FDR was a president JFK was a president this guy is an Idiot!
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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not2needy wrote, "Does Bush really think that waterboarding, interrogations, etc are the reason we haven't been attacked again?"
You could have saved a bunch of valuable words and written, "Does Bush really think?"
The answer is no. He should be waterboarded till he begins to do so.
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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I wish a reporter would ask him if we'd have been attacked in the first dang place if he, cheney, rice, & what's his name hadn't ignored the warnings. No waterboarding used. No massive illegal wiretaps. Intelligence here and around the world had it all figured out. How ever did they manage without gutting the U.S. Constitution?
And of course there's that little issue of PROOF that torture saved lives. bush isn't the most reliable source, is he.
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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jordan11 ~
There's also that little issue of PROOF that the victim
is in ANY way connected to a terrorist organization.
Interrogators are not driven to find credible evidence that
the detainee IS a terrorist. No - they torture first
and ask questions later!
This is wrong,wrong, WRONG!
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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GridCords ~ You state:
"Funny,I've never heard any dems mention that little incident"(Nick Berg)
Are you kidding? I'm a Dem - I'm a progressive - and it was
horrible! As was the fate of Daniel Pearl and Dilawar (See,
"Taxi To The Dark Side"). You think Dems or liberals
RESERVE their condemnation if the victim is white or Christian or Western?? Cut me a break! I do not need to check on someone's ethnicity or religion before deciding what type of treatment they are "entitled" to. The International laws that a lot of us thought our government respected, say what I believe to be true.......the METHODS MATTER no matter whom we detain.
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bruhaha1 year, 8 months ago
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"add what ever tortures are necessary to gain info."
False info because torture will only get them to say what they think you want to say. Don' remember the name of that one guy.....admitted to stuff that we're positive he couldn't do.
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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bruhaha ~
That's another reason it is vital that the detainees be
allowed to produce evidence - or testimony - related to
their treatment before the Military Commissions.
They have not only extracted info to incriminate
the victim - but they have tortured to get one detainee
to implicate yet another detainee and we are going to
call that EVIDENCE? 'Round and 'round we go!
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hdthehn1 year, 8 months ago
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Hey Grid:
A few quotes from our fearlessly brilliant leader
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.
~George W. Bush
...the role of the military is to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.
~George W. Bush
If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road.
~George W. Bush
Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction.
~George W. Bush
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.
~George W. Bush
These people are trying to shake the will of the Iraqi citizens, and they want us to leave...I think the world would be better off if we did leave...
~George W. Bush
Idiocy and hypocrisy are truly bed fellows.
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sinophil491 year, 8 months ago
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hdthehn - This is one of the best posts I have seen in a long time.
"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in Nation-building missions, we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."
"...I think the world would be better off if we did leave."
I am absolutely delighted GW Bush now agrees w/ the liberal position on the war.
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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FTA:
".......could place Americans at greater risk of being tortured when captured."
COULD? What's good for the goose is good for the gander?
Good enough for the leader of the free world - why would
anyone hesitate? Geneva?? That old thing!! I feel SO much
better relying on the Neocons to eeny,meeny,miney, moe -
as to who is entitled to human rights.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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Well if worst comes to worst we just need to wait a few months. I think McCain would refuse to veto anti-torture legislation if it came across his desk and possibly smile as he signed it into law. Obama I'm even more certain about doing so.
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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I believe McCain is operating on auxiliary powers! There is something not quite fitting together in his psyche. I sympathize with the fact that he was tortured, but I also feel it has left him a little bit unstable, and I would never be comfortable with him in such a critical position as president. God knows, we already have somebody in the position who's missing some marbles (and a conscience) and look at the disastrous results!
McCain is a disaster waiting to happen! Can you imagine him in the white house having a melt down??
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Candida1 year, 8 months ago
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"The House approved the bill in December by a vote of 222 to 199, mostly along party lines. Wednesday's vote in the Senate was also along party lines. All the "no" votes were cast by Republicans, except for those of Senators Joseph I. Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, and Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska. Five Republicans and Senator Bernard Sanders, independent of Vermont, voted "yes."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/washington/13...
"John McCain, I should note, is among the 45 Senators who voted against this bill. What a maverick! Not only did he deviate from centuries of American tradition, he's broken away from his 2005 self!"
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/...
Here is the link to the votes:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call...
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress would work to override Bush's veto next week. "In the final analysis, our ability to lead the world will depend not only on our military might, but on our moral authority," said Pelosi, D-Calif.
Pelosi has about waited too long to try to do something positive, the result is loss of credibility, and whether we can put any stock in anything she says or does.
As far as our morality to the rest of the world, it will take a long time to rebuild the worlds opinion of us, and although i hope they can override Bush's veto, i don't see this rebuilding the worlds faith in the USA!
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crespi1 year, 8 months ago
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Destroying Democracy has ALWAYS been Bush's plan, and his daddy before him and HIS daddy before him.
I save the word "evil" for when someone is TRULY and un-fixably bad and gets pleasure from harming others.
George Bush is evil.
(Whenever he succeeds in harming our American Constitution LOOK HOW HE SMILES.)
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Bush often warns against ignoring the advice of U.S. commanders on the ground in Iraq. Yet the president has rejected the Army Field Manual, which recognizes that harsh interrogation tactics elicit unreliable information, said Reid, D-Nev.
"Democrats will continue working to reverse the damage President Bush has caused to our standing in the world," Reid said.
Bush pays no attention to anything but what he wants, and he wants death, bottom line, he wants death to as many people as he can accomplish, He proved that as the killingest governor of Tx.
Making hay while the sunshines, so to speak!
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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not2needy ~
"He proved that as the killingest governor of Tx."
I read that even then - he didn't carry out his duty
to review each death penalty case before the sentence
was carried out. In some cases - I think as told in
"Worse Than Watergate" by John Dean - Alberto Gonzales
would assure him that "Yup - he's guilty" - you know,
no need to trouble yourself with this.........and the
Governor would just sign off! What a productive day - eh?
Making the rules is Dubya's big thang - not following them!
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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I want to mention another little deception that is taking place by the media, our congress and the general public.
The subject has come to be framed as, "Torture - like
waterboarding". Even those who have voted AGAINST torture -
still focus exclusively on WATERBOARDING. Waterboarding is
so elaborate - how many times have you seen the video?
Steps one thru ....? First you do this - and then this - and then & so on. People are brutally tortured without a distinct recipe of procedures.
Duct tape on the eyes? Can you even imagine removal?
I read a B'Tselem report about a Palestinian civil employee
taken in by the IDF for a few days of questioning. He was
slapped around and bent backwards over a chair for long periods - but the simple act of putting plastic cuffs on
his wrists so tightly that it caused permanent nerve damage?
By the time the IDF got to "never mind" and released him -
at 23 years old he is near unemployable - he can no longer
use his hands.
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AnteUp1 year, 8 months ago
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My point? Violating someone's human rights is a
simple process. It's not like a "24" hi-tech room
fitted out with the latest in torture gadgetry.
In time of war it is probably one of the hardest
things we ask of our troops - to step back from
a war posture and practice the restraint required
toward POW's. It is the DUTY of their commanders
to encourage it.
And speaking of COMMANDERS? I will be impressed
when one of the "big guys" steps forward to state
that they knew about it and condoned it, instead
of calling their own guys "bad apples". That would
show the type of courage we haven't seen yet.
Pity the poor soldier who followed orders given by
their leaders - only to watch the finger of blame
be pointed at THEM by the same guys!
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