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Posted by: not2needy 1 year, 9 months agoPresident Bush said Saturday he vetoed legislation that would ban the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods such as waterboarding to break suspected terrorists because it would end practices that have prevented attacks.
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not2needy
March 8, 2008, 11:09 a.m.FTA:
"The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror," Bush said in his weekly radio address taped for broadcast Saturday. "So today I vetoed it," Bush said. The bill provides guidelines for intelligence activities for the year and includes the interrogation requirement. It passed the House in December and the Senate last month.
"This is no time for Congress to abandon practices that have a proven track record of keeping America safe," the president said.
Does Bush really think that waterboarding, interrogations, etc are the reason we haven't been attacked again?
IMO, if he does, he is even more nuts than i originally thought.
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jordan11
March 8, 2008, 11:26 a.m.I wish a reporter would ask him if we'd have been attacked in the first dang place if he, cheney, rice, & what's his name hadn't ignored the warnings. No waterboarding used. No massive illegal wiretaps. Intelligence here and around the world had it all figured out. How ever did they manage without gutting the U.S. Constitution?
And of course there's that little issue of PROOF that torture saved lives. bush isn't the most reliable source, is he.
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jaern
March 8, 2008, 11:31 a.m.Thank you, President Bush. I for one believe we are sooooooooo much safer since you became president!
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AnteUp
March 8, 2008, 11:59 a.m.GridCords ~ You state:
"Funny,I've never heard any dems mention that little incident"(Nick Berg)
Are you kidding? I'm a Dem - I'm a progressive - and it was
horrible! As was the fate of Daniel Pearl and Dilawar (See,
"Taxi To The Dark Side"). You think Dems or liberals
RESERVE their condemnation if the victim is white or Christian or Western?? Cut me a break! I do not need to check on someone's ethnicity or religion before deciding what type of treatment they are "entitled" to. The International laws that a lot of us thought our government respected, say what I believe to be true.......the METHODS MATTER no matter whom we detain.
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crespi
March 8, 2008, 12:18 p.m.Beheading itself is EXECUTION, NOT torture.
Keep your terms straight, there. (Don't do that neocon cross-up crap like "Hussein was behind 911" type of thing with the definitions.)
(It's a form of lying.)
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bruhaha
March 8, 2008, 12:16 p.m."add what ever tortures are necessary to gain info."
False info because torture will only get them to say what they think you want to say. Don' remember the name of that one guy.....admitted to stuff that we're positive he couldn't do.
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quackpot
March 8, 2008, 4:17 p.m.Whatever worked in the John Wayne movies must be good. That is ONE thing that Bush learned from Regan.
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hdthehn
March 8, 2008, 5:50 p.m.Hey Grid:
A few quotes from our fearlessly brilliant leader
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.
~George W. Bush
...the role of the military is to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.
~George W. Bush
If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road.
~George W. Bush
Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction.
~George W. Bush
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.
~George W. Bush
These people are trying to shake the will of the Iraqi citizens, and they want us to leave...I think the world would be better off if we did leave...
~George W. Bush
Idiocy and hypocrisy are truly bed fellows.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS
March 8, 2008, 11:32 a.m.Le Muffette has raised the art of obstreperousness to new heights, or would that be lows?
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AnteUp
March 8, 2008, 11:43 a.m.FTA:
".......could place Americans at greater risk of being tortured when captured."
COULD? What's good for the goose is good for the gander?
Good enough for the leader of the free world - why would
anyone hesitate? Geneva?? That old thing!! I feel SO much
better relying on the Neocons to eeny,meeny,miney, moe -
as to who is entitled to human rights.
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Mdiar
March 8, 2008, 11:47 a.m.Well if worst comes to worst we just need to wait a few months. I think McCain would refuse to veto anti-torture legislation if it came across his desk and possibly smile as he signed it into law. Obama I'm even more certain about doing so.
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AnteUp
March 8, 2008, 12:18 p.m.Anyone?
I can't seem to find a bill number - I'd like to see how
my own congressional representatives voted on this.
Anybody know where I can find a vote tally by name -
or the Bill #
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not2needy
March 8, 2008, 12:20 p.m.FTA:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress would work to override Bush's veto next week. "In the final analysis, our ability to lead the world will depend not only on our military might, but on our moral authority," said Pelosi, D-Calif.
Pelosi has about waited too long to try to do something positive, the result is loss of credibility, and whether we can put any stock in anything she says or does.
As far as our morality to the rest of the world, it will take a long time to rebuild the worlds opinion of us, and although i hope they can override Bush's veto, i don't see this rebuilding the worlds faith in the USA!
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not2needy
March 8, 2008, 1 p.m.FTA:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Bush often warns against ignoring the advice of U.S. commanders on the ground in Iraq. Yet the president has rejected the Army Field Manual, which recognizes that harsh interrogation tactics elicit unreliable information, said Reid, D-Nev.
"Democrats will continue working to reverse the damage President Bush has caused to our standing in the world," Reid said.
Bush pays no attention to anything but what he wants, and he wants death, bottom line, he wants death to as many people as he can accomplish, He proved that as the killingest governor of Tx.
Making hay while the sunshines, so to speak!
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AnteUp
March 8, 2008, 1:29 p.m.not2needy ~
"He proved that as the killingest governor of Tx."
I read that even then - he didn't carry out his duty
to review each death penalty case before the sentence
was carried out. In some cases - I think as told in
"Worse Than Watergate" by John Dean - Alberto Gonzales
would assure him that "Yup - he's guilty" - you know,
no need to trouble yourself with this.........and the
Governor would just sign off! What a productive day - eh?
Making the rules is Dubya's big thang - not following them!
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AnteUp
March 8, 2008, 1:56 p.m.I want to mention another little deception that is taking place by the media, our congress and the general public.
The subject has come to be framed as, "Torture - like
waterboarding". Even those who have voted AGAINST torture -
still focus exclusively on WATERBOARDING. Waterboarding is
so elaborate - how many times have you seen the video?
Steps one thru ....? First you do this - and then this - and then & so on. People are brutally tortured without a distinct recipe of procedures.
Duct tape on the eyes? Can you even imagine removal?
I read a B'Tselem report about a Palestinian civil employee
taken in by the IDF for a few days of questioning. He was
slapped around and bent backwards over a chair for long periods - but the simple act of putting plastic cuffs on
his wrists so tightly that it caused permanent nerve damage?
By the time the IDF got to "never mind" and released him -
at 23 years old he is near unemployable - he can no longer
use his hands.
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AnteUp
March 8, 2008, 2:36 p.m.My point? Violating someone's human rights is a
simple process. It's not like a "24" hi-tech room
fitted out with the latest in torture gadgetry.
In time of war it is probably one of the hardest
things we ask of our troops - to step back from
a war posture and practice the restraint required
toward POW's. It is the DUTY of their commanders
to encourage it.
And speaking of COMMANDERS? I will be impressed
when one of the "big guys" steps forward to state
that they knew about it and condoned it, instead
of calling their own guys "bad apples". That would
show the type of courage we haven't seen yet.
Pity the poor soldier who followed orders given by
their leaders - only to watch the finger of blame
be pointed at THEM by the same guys!
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darkmavis
March 8, 2008, 4:31 p.m.Bush once again demonstrates his fundamental misunderstanding of what America is all about.
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