A Church Under Attack Says "No" to the Political Smears »
Posted By Beau7890 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsThose who seek to discredit Barack Obama by bashing his former pastor are not just attacking the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., they are attacking Trinity United Church of Christ and its highly successful ministry. On Palm Sunday, the Trinity community responded with a statement issued by the Chicago church's current pastor, the Rev. Otis Moss III
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Beau78901 year, 8 months ago
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From the TUCC's statement by current Rev. Otis Moss III:
"Trinity United Church of Christ's ministry is inclusive and global. The following ministries have been developed under Dr. Wright's ministerial tutelage for social justice: assisted living facilities for senior citizens, day care for children, pastoral care and counseling, health care, ministries for persons living with HIV/AIDS, hospice training, prison ministry, scholarships for thousands of students to attend historically black colleges, youth ministries, tutorial and computer programs, a church library, domestic violence programs and scholarships and fellowships for women and men attending seminary."
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Does anyone have a problem with these accomplishments of the church? Is there anything here that diminishes anyone who is not black?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
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I have a problem with it's race-based doctrine. I can't accept the concept of Black Revolutionary Theology as advocated by Rev. Wright. Jim Jones' People's Temple did a great deal to help its community also, before it morphed into a cult and well...we know how that ended. Jones used conflict between the races as a means to gather African-Americans to his church. Why not call someone out for doing the same thing again?
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NoSpinDave1 year, 8 months ago
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I guess Hillary better stop with the TOTALLY LEGIT attacks then.....for dare she may be branded a racist.
Attack Barak, and you are a RACIST!!!
So when did TOTALLY LEGIT attacks become "smears"? The word "smear" suggests the accusations are baseless......which we ALL know isn't true.
I am still waiting with great glee for one of the usual suspect, left wing extremist trolls here to call Hillary an eeeevil CON. Now that will make my whole day!!!
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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As a matter of fact, I've been doing just that as of this weekend, Jordan. I am sick and tired of the media fanning the flames of a nonsensical, vicious, visceral, hypocritical attacks on Barack Obama, his retiring pastor, and his church!
"Blessed are you when men shall revile, persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake! " That is scriptural. Barack is a Christian; his pastor is a Christian, his church family is Christian...all of these false and inflammatory accusations against them are going to work in their favor in the long run. Be not deceived, God is NOT mocked. He doesn't like ugly, and He ain't too fond of pretty, either.
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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As a matter of fact, Jordan, I have done just that as of this past weekend! I am sick and tired of hearing CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. fanning the flames of discord and aiding and abetting in the crufixion of Barack Obama, Rev. Wright, and their church! It is vicious, visceral and disgustingly hypocritical! Scripture says you are blessed when men revile, persecute and bare false witness against you. God will judge who is right and who is wrong, not one of us, and I would not be surprised if all this piling on works in their favor in the long run.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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Would any of the protestors have wanted to attend this church? I doubt if the protestors attend any church, or have an affiliation period.
Some people are just so filled with hate, they have to find someone new to hate regularly.
I find nothing wrong with what this church has done for their community. God knows, there was certainly no agencies going to go into those communities and do what this church has. I guess it's wrong that they didn't stay as oppressed as some would have liked!
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DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
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...and hate whites, blaming them for everything. Churches exist to worship God, not glorify races and perpetuate racist views. Rev. Wright fabricates stories about how Whites invented addicting drugs to victimize blacks. He also adhere's to crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories and generally spouts "hate America" rhetoric as often as possible.
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cherev1 year, 8 months ago
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"Nearly three weeks before the 40th commemorative anniversary of the murder of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.'s character is being assassinated in the public sphere because he has preached a social gospel on behalf of oppressed women, children and men in America and around the globe."
Linking Dr. King and Wright's Jew-hating, America-bashing statements. And the libbies line up to justify it. What a shock!!!
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Beau78901 year, 8 months ago
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There is a big difference, as Obama and others have pointed out, between condoning the STATEMENTS of Wright and approving of the ACTIONS of the church. Again, is there anything in what the TUCC's uplifiting acts for the community that deminishes those of any race?
It's kind of like the distinction between condoning Bush's statement after 9/11 that the U.S. is fighting a "crusade" and approving of the way the government has fought its war on terror. (Though as I'm sure you know, I support neither of those.)
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kboy1 year, 8 months ago
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Hitler also did well by some people at the expense of other people. Someone that claims to be a uniter cannot support a divider. Maybe it is time to have public disclosure of all religions that are bigoted against one group or another. Preaching hate is a terrible thing.
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Beau78901 year, 8 months ago
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You're right, preaching hate is a terrible thing.
But again, delaying the denunciation of inflammatory remarks is not divisive. At worst, it's negligent. And it by no means shows support of Wright's remarks--especially when he has now (even if late) emphatically denounced the comments in question.
And your comparison to Hitler is absurd. Hitler ACTED against other races, religions, etc., rather than just spewing hate-filled rhetoric. And as far as I know, Hitler performed absolutely NO good acts for Germany or anyone else in the world. Unlike the TUCC, which did quite a bit for its community, as listed in the statement included in the article.
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nostalgia1 year, 8 months ago
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To understand Dr Wright you need to read about Black Liberation Theology. Black Liberation Theology started with Jim Cone and Dwight Hopkins. The writing of these men is what Wright follows
Some of it is very controversial NOTICE I said "SOME"
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MajJohn1 year, 8 months ago
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"controversial"? Couldn't you have come up with something more accurately descriptive? "some" of the sermons were hate filled and full of prejudicial statements. What do you think Jessie Jackson, for example, would say about a KKK White Domination Theology? He'd correctly condemn it. The same thing applies to Dr. Wright's statements. Such hate filled commentary can only lead to violence and an end to a promising political career for Obama, who unfortunately will be found guilty by association.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't know why you posted a question to me under someone else's thread. Wright was the pastor for decades so this qualifies as political damage control. I have never heard any white person suggest that whites invented addictive drugs to enslave blacks. No one who isn't wearing a straight jacket should be saying anything like that.
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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That applies to the majority of white baptist churches in this country! Here where I live, we are constantly inviting white churches to join with us to celebrate important religious observances such as Christmas, Easter, Revivals, Watch Night Services, etc. And we NEVER get any kind of response except for an occasional, oh, uhhh, well, we have other plans.
On the other hand, we have whites who attend our predominantly African American church and we welcome them on the basis of their Christianity just as we welcome each other. I don't know of ANY black church, including Obama's, that segregates people according to race or any other type of credentials. History will confirm that we are far more open, forgiving, and willing to mend fences than the caucasian race has ever been! So if you want to start pointing fingers, begin with the biggest offenders.
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 8 months ago
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THE GENERATIONAL GAP SHOWS ITS UGLY HEAD AGAIN
Rev Wright's agenda sets America back 40 years. He represents the generation gap in American. People over 50 lived the experiences he preaches against. Young people have different life experiences. He fails to take into account the many successes of black Americans. Wright's sermons only oppress the very people he is trying to uplift. Obama is a young educated man who understands the needs of all Americans. ALL OF US have older people in our lives who can't get beyond their lfe experiences and keep trying to teach us about how "bad" things were. But we respectfully listen and understand their history rather than guide our lives by their expectations. Try telling your grandma who lived through the Great Depression she's crazy for hoarding everything.
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Commodore11 year, 8 months ago
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Well he is using a church to spread hate and I think that is one of the most arrogant and terrible things a person can do. So the church may suffer the consequences for his actions. I think they eject him from the church and put someone in there who is less of a big mouth. I don't like him and disagree completely w/what he says. I think he would make a great psycho Muslim and he should go to Iran or someplace like that and be one. To me he's nothing better than a loud mouth chump.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
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That's not the whole story and you know it. You are not telling the truth. You can't tell me that anyone who spouts Wright's rhetoric would make his church appeal to whites. That's ignorant. Play the race card elsewhere. Give me a break.
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Beau78901 year, 8 months ago
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The church does not segregate. Tessylo is telling the truth, and the whole story as it applies to the article to which this thread is attached.
You may not like Tessylo's style of arguing or the insults, but he or she isn't playing the race card any more than you are in linking Wright's statements to the actions of the TUCC.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 8 months ago
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Liar! If I choose to sit in a church where the pastor spouts off that kind of rhetoric, I am tacitly endorsing that position. Sermons containing rhetoric like that are not spiritually edifying and I would have to wonder about anyone who feeds not only his or her mind, but his or her spirit, that kind of poison.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Supposedly, Wright is a moderate when it comes to this sort of preaching in the Black community. Being so the case, I can understand why so many blacks are switching to Islam now. Apparently, the "Nation of Islam" is just another black church, but, one that talks more about the Quran more than the Bible.
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automan9091 year, 8 months ago
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So far as Obama not being in the church when those things were said, It just came out that a reporter was in a sermon in that church during one of those racist sermons and was sitting right down from guess who? Thats right...Obama.
Now that qualifies Obama as a bare faced liar.
Even without the witness that saw him there, I sure wouldn't want him as my president if he is so stupid not to know the racist views and goings on over a 20 year period.
Liar liar pants on fire
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Beau78901 year, 8 months ago
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It didn't just come out. The story is from August 9, 2007.
You're confusing the fact that NewsMax, which originally published that story, has just come out and stated that it's wrong:
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/03/17/n...
You may want to check your facts before calling people liars.
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Albmore1 year, 8 months ago
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There are two mistakes being made here. Fisrt calling this place a church. They do not teach what the bible says, 2nd they honored Farrakan who is one of the biggest anti Jew/ Islamic spreading characters in the US. A Christian Church does not help spread the teachings of Islam.
The 2nd would be calling this man who is so full of hate and racism a Christian. Yes maybe the church does social work, so does the Red Cross, But the Red Cross dont preach hate messages.
I was a supporter of Obama for the dems til now. I did have my doubts on this subject though. I am glad it has come out and was reported. Not to confuse anyone I will never vote for Hillary! Amazing how the true racist characters have came out on both side on this democratic race. This and the fact that they are unable to even run there election correctly should show many the change they promise is worse than what we have now.
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MacR1 year, 8 months ago
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You are right, no church would ever, that is "Never", that claims to be a christian church, to spread Islam. Farrakan, is Islam, he isn't a christian preacher, he is a "Teacher" of Islam, well according to him that is.
Not to burst any of your's bubble here, but, don't you think that MLK. Would not be happy, about a church that is backing up a man, who is not even of the, "Christian Faith"? Do you not find it just a bit of hypocracy? Seriously, what MLK preached and what Farrakan has preached are night and day in comparission. What Wright has been videod preaching and the old tapes of MLK are different as night and day.
If you were to take the words "White" out of those sentences that he shouts, insert the word "Black". Dub it over a KKK rally and you would go nuts. It is the same hate, the same silly phrases but from a different source.
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NVRob1 year, 8 months ago
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Obama may not have given the sermon in question, or use that type of rhetoric, but he certainly didn't speak out against it.
Unless, maybe this rhetoric only happened that one time when Obama missed church.
I've been going to the same bar every Friday night now for twenty years. They play the same music week after week and I can't stand it, I don't drink, and I can't stand being around drunks.
Makes a lot of sense huh?
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BB641 year, 8 months ago
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So if I were to preach the same materials he uses but reversing black for white, I would be labeled a racist, a hate monger and I'm sure much worse. Why is it when someone black preached hate it's acceptable? I don't care if you're white, black purple or pink, hate is hate and you should be treated as a racist is you're a racist.
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BB641 year, 8 months ago
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Thanks for the negative Tessylo, when I see how you vote, I realize the only right answer is to vote exactly opposite of you. Then again, you never make a comment yourself so rarely can anyone comment. Then again, working part time at McDonald's and living in your mommy's basement, you do live a rather exciting life.
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