David Kay: 'the biggest intelligence fiasco of my lifetime." »
Posted By DiffeeOnline 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsThe real shock was that the CIA had never spoken to him directly. To this day, I still don't understand. How can you hang the most dramatic part of a case for war on an individual no American agent has ever directly debriefed? I realized right away, we needed to follow up in Baghdad on whatever leads we had concerning 'Curveball.'
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pc251 year, 7 months ago
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I guess you mean George "slam dunk" Tenet appointed to head the CIA by Bill Clinton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyoursay/200...
a matter of public record. Tenet; "Iraqi WMDs are a SLAM DUNK Mr. President." Putin; "Iraq is going to attack America on its own soil Mr. President." And we were supposed to rely on the UN inspectors like Happy Hans Blix and his Keystone Kops to get at the truth while Saddam Hussein toyed endlessly and mercilessly with him.
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truthiness1 year, 7 months ago
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we went to war on unconfirmed intelligence.
Worst case scenario, they did it on purpose, which is a crime of intent
Best case scenario, they didn't know what they were talking about, which is a crime of negligence.
and the only one's to pay for it are American soldiers and innocent Iraqi's
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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ROFLMAO
What a crock. We now know that Saddam Husein was creating the "fact" that he had WMD to keep Iran at bay. He wanted Iran to believe he had them and everybody else fell for it as well. This story ignores the FACT that every major intelligence agency believed that there were WMD that he was hiding. Every government believed this as well. One person would not cause that to happen. Intelligence agencies work by gathering data from a lot of different points and trying to evaluate them and go by a consensus of opinion. They gather a lot of contradictory information and try to evaluate how good each piece is. They are really making a best guess much of the time.
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Goppy1 year, 7 months ago
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THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU!!
Finally, we got one of our ditto haids chimin in with support for the un-supportable!
Youare awesome Endo!
I mean, there was plenty of evidence that the reasons for war were un-warranted. And there was even more evidence that the rush to war trampled over reason and logic.
But hey! Thats what happens when ideeologie trumps rational leadership!
And I for one salute your effort to support our craaazie Neo-Con ideeologie of hedgemony over rational leadership!!
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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And what of the weapons inspectors who found no evidence of Saddam reconstituting the programs after 91? Why Bush yanked them out of Iraq so they wouldn't get in the way of his lies.
"Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq's weapons programs, said Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had "progressively decayed" since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A...
"Contradicting the main argument for a war that has cost more than 1,000 U.S. lives, the top U.S. arms inspector reported Wednesday that he had found no evidence that Iraq produced weapons of mass destruction after 1991. He also concluded that Saddam Hussein's weapons capability weakened, not grew, during a dozen years of U.N. sanctions before the U.S. invasion last year."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6190720/
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quackpot1 year, 7 months ago
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FLASE FALSE FALSE
Endoscopy, what you say is just NOT TRUE, and you continual stating of the misinformation does not make it true. The U.N. weapons inspectors that were in Iraq immediately prior to the U.S. Invasion had cast serious doubt on the WMD story. Rather than allow the inspections to continue, which would have endangered Bush's planned invasion, Bush refused to allow the inspections to continue.
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
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Endoscopy: "This story ignores the FACT that every major intelligence agency believed that there were WMD that he was hiding. Every government believed this as well."
Apparently not Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. Listen carefully to what they had to say about Iraq in 2001.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHnSPsZshyM
If every government believed it, then why were the Security Council members not willing to vote for the invasion?
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TGrass30011 year, 7 months ago
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Can you point to any other countries intelligence that was NOT spoon feed disinformation from the U.S. or the U.K. intelligence agencies? And if you say the Israeli intelligence forces "coincidentally" found the same information I have some beach front property in Florida I would like to sell you.
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rimbaud1 year, 7 months ago
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If you're looking for excuses to justify a pre-emptive for which you have already amassed troops, I guess you will find them. It's very hard to prepare for war, like we did, and not go ahead with it. Once you've set the miltary machine forward, it's very hard to stop it.
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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"SPIEGEL: How did CIA leadership react to your findings?
Kay: With resistance and denial. It was an absolute refusal to face reality. I just kept on hearing, 'don't stop now. Keep working. You must be wrong. You will find it. Keep looking."
Of course they were resistant. The decision to go to war was made, most like even before 9/11, and the intelligence was stovepiped to fit that decision.
It's funny how the American Republican press would never report on a story like this. Stuff like this is untouchable in the US. Just like the election frauds and the Downing Street Memo.
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donald511 year, 7 months ago
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What do you expect from a President who asked for links to Sadam the day after 911 and a Vice President who visited the CIA more than any other VP in history... then made sure that Rummy could provide alternative intel via the Pentagon!
Also, Condi refused to have the CIA guy who had already debunked the aluminum tube arguement even participate in the cabinet briefs! Then to trash El Barradei for further debunking Sadam's WMD. The US Marine inspector, Ritter, also said Dumya and Cheney were liars before the war!
All the Bushies are war criminals... and should be turned over to the World Courts like Clinton did with Milosevic!
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