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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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They ridicule a pledge of allegiance to the flag, but are prepared to adjudicate any violation of a pledge of loyalty to their party.
Simply amazing.
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bruhaha1 year, 7 months ago
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Can't handle the fact that my "whatever" comment is much more truthful and intelligent than most of your posts can ya
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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First of all I don't ridicule any pledge of allegiance to our flag. Because we are one nation under God.
No matter what Bush or the others try to do.
What is simply amazing is that one can't see the morass that Bush and those like him have made of this country.
For crying out loud take a look around we are floating on a sea of red ink flooded from an ill advised war and mortgage fiasco. Yet you still see Bush as a good leader.
Loyalty to the Republican party is what has brought us to the precipe of disaster we now face.
Wake up and smell the trash in the White House. It's time we removed it now!!!!
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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The US does have huge problems, the sad part of it is that we got here through gradulization, most of the things that led us where we are started under LBJ and have continued with the encouragement of many that now see the result of not paying attention for so long as if they saw some benefit for themselves at any given moment on the path that led here. And now they want to blame just Bush, is he guilty of letting things continue as they have been for so long, without a doubt, did the things that led us to where with are start with him as so many choose to believe, no. The voters in the US have been asleep at the wheel for decades, by choice, and now that they see the result are looking for a scapegoat, anyone but who is really responsible,
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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every one of us voters for letting lobbyists take over the government, for not demanding an end to pork, to riders that have nothing to do with the legislation they are attached to at the last minute to sneak them through, to politicans that only listen when they want our votes, then stop listening when they are in office, that is until the next time they run, that we re-elect those that are suppoosed to represent us, but only look to put more money in their own pockets. And these problems, this kind of thing happening, comes from BOTH sides of the aisle.
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Isoparm1 year, 7 months ago
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Sadly, I have to agree with most of what you have to say, but some of us have been paying attention. Some of knew that something like 9/11 was inevitable due to our bigoted foreign policies. Just as we knew that nothing would be done to correct these biases. But being in the minority, we have helplessly had to watch this tragic drama unfold, even as we tried to prevent it (vote!). It is the feeling of being a passenger on a run-away train with a broken emergency brake hand-line, being piloted by madmen. Astonishingly, there are those that still support these madmen. I guess as long as THEIR madmen are in (out of!) control, then it is OK, regardless of the consequences.
If McCain gets elected, then this train could very well jump its track, as the abyss beckons.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Isoparm said
"Some of knew that something like 9/11 was inevitable due to our bigoted foreign policies. Just as we knew that nothing would be done to correct these biases."
9/11 was inevitable, true. 9/11 was retaliation for our 1998 attack on 6 AQ camps in Afghanistan aspirin factory in the Sudan.
"But being in the minority, we have helplessly had to watch this tragic drama unfold, even as we tried to prevent it (vote!)."
This should be a hoot!
So Isoparm did you vote FOR Gore in 2000. Gore was VP of the admin that attacked those 6 camps which 9/11 was retaliation to.
Did you vote for Nader thus (according to whiners) ensuring Bush won
Or did you vote for Bush?
"It is the feeling of being a passenger on a run-away train with a broken emergency brake hand-line, being piloted by madmen. Astonishingly, there are those that still support these madmen"
That would be the madman who by your vote is now in office?
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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zaph22:
First of all. Nice job trying to spin this.
No thank you though because in 28 of the last 40, years the White House has be occupied by Republicans who have destroyed this country's base of law.
Don't ty to blame the congress and senate the dam*n presidents have used veto's or the threat if them to strip this nation of it's goodness and hope.
You say we have let the lobbyist's do this. I say the president and his minnions have allowed this to become the way of doing business.
Yeah it comes from both sides. You remember the "Slimy Dick Nixon Checkers speech" It's been going on with the Gop since before the great depression. So don't try to make the Greedy Old Party seem like it was a victim.
We need real change. Not the Bull Crap that is being put ot there now.
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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Talk about spin, you and one other that replied to my comment can't get off the Bush hate train. If you noticed I said Bush has been part of the problem, let things continue. Other than that did I blame either party? No, I included everyone in the White House and Congress since the mid 60's. and I put the blame where it really belongs, on all of us voters, myself included, that kept electing people that led us here, and like it or not, even with Bush being responsible for part of it, for now, it did not start with him, and if you choose to remain blind to how we got here, well if there are many more like you, we can't expect any change anytime soon, and we'll have people like you to thank for more of the same.
It is you trying to put a spin on things, all I can say about that your hate, bias, and partisanship are showing.
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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And as for Nixon, if you had paid attention to comments I've made in the past you know I have huge problems with Nixon, for taking the US off the Gold Standard, which is one of the things I meant when I said things that led to problems now did not just happen in the last 8 years, but a lot of things that happened decades ago, like going off the gold standard, led to things like the failing dollar, and the resulting high gas prices due to that, happened long ago. And again, as long as many choose to ignore that, or be blinded by their political bias, little if anything will change.
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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And now that I've had a few more minutes to think about your comment... "Don't ty to blame the congress and senate the dam*n presidents have used veto's or the threat if them to strip this nation of it's goodness and hope."
Now there is BS, yes I can blame each and every Congress, and each and every president, and as I also pointed out, each and every voter that contributed to getting us where we are. Yes the Presidents, all of them, have had veto power, but if Congress had not been part of things, had not passed the legislation, had not let lobbyists financially influence members of Congress, there would not have been anything for any President to veto. You just don't like what I said because while it blames Bush for his part in things, it doesn't blame ONLY Bush, and that is a problem for many like you, and that is the kind of thing that will guarantee that the changes you claim to want will never happen.
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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Because it is the kind of people that by choice see, or choose not to see, that will continue to keep things as they are, because they want so much to blame one person for things it has taken many people, and many years to cause. And again, us, the voters, if we are honest must take much of the blame for allowing people that wanted things this way to keep being elected. So go ahead, keep on blaming Bush and only Bush, and again, did I ever blame only one President, only one Congress, only one Party? No, because that won't help solve the problems by insisting on having one person be a scapegoat for it all.
And your comment, and you're trying to make it look like I was trying to spin just went to show how great bias, and hate, will only keep things going. So don't tell me I can't put part of the blame on decades of ALL politicians and voters that put them in, just because YOU don't want to face reality, since reality includes Bush, but not ONLY Bush.
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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It might even have started with earlier Presidents, and Congresses, but it includes these people without a doubt... LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, and everyone in Congress during their administrations, every lobbyists they allowed to influence them, voters that keep voting for the kind of people, for President and for Congress.
It would appear you can't get past hating Bush to see things clearly, and again, if enough people choose to keep the blinders on as you seem to have decided, we will never see any change, we'll only see more and more corruption, while a majority of us voters continue to put the corrupt into office, and they cry about the problems, and as is happening now, look for ONE scapegoat to blame, so we, all of us responsible, don't have to face what WE have caused.
And tell me again, where is it I tried to take the blame off the GOP, and put it all on the other side of the aisle? YOu want to see it that way, but that's just you...
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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projecting YOUR biases and prejudices onto me, but anyone being honest can see I wasn't spinning things, wasn't trying to put the blame on one party or the other, but see things the way you WANT too, don't let reality and facts get in the way of what you choose to see and believe.
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Grrr1 year, 7 months ago
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BS, zaph. Obviously you weren't paying attention for so long. We got here cuz the GOP rigged and stole the 2000 & 2004 elections. Speak for yourself. Plenty of us have been trying to stop this garbage for our whole lives, only to see a majority of our fellow Americans sit back and let it happen. If you're saying you're one of the ones we have to thank for that, well then: "FU".
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Grrr1 year, 7 months ago
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Do you have any idea how disingenuous that sounds? That you would still try and deny that W NEVER WON A GENERAL ELECTION?
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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I say you are a dupe or a mouthpiece for the ultra-Conservatives AND that you support their evil plans against the good of America.
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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"Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House."
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334...
"Most voters in Ohio chose Kerry. Here's how the votes vanished."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00184.htm
"After carefully and fully examining all the evidence, the Commission found a strong basis for concluding that violations of the Voting Rights Act (VRA) occurred in Florida.The most dramatic undercount in the Florida election was the uncast ballots of countless eligible voters who were wrongfully turned away from the polls. Statistical data, reinforced by credible anecdotal evidence, point to the widespread denial of voting rights.The disenfranchisement of Florida's voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of black voters."
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/exesu...
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Kerry deployed his "Army of 10K lawyers" to battleground states including Ohio.
They monitor every part of the election and found nothing.
Were these 10K lawyers' incompetent dumbsh#ts like dem voters in FL who couldn't understand a punch card ballot?
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ADAGUY1 year, 7 months ago
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Locky, before you get too carried away, you must recall that two election officials are in prison in Ohio over the last election! This is only what they were convicted of. God only knows what went on that has yet to surface!
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"That you would still try and deny that W NEVER WON A GENERAL ELECTION?"
Uhhhh what? Double negative question?
Double negative statements are true.
WTF is you question
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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zaph221 year, 7 months ago
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"BS, zaph. Obviously you weren't paying attention for so long."
Thanks for showing exactly what I was talking about, people living in denial that need a scapegoat, need to blame Bush for things that while he has let continue, started at the latest back in the mid-60's, but they can't admit to themselves that all of us keep voting in people that slowly led us down this path. I couldn't have given a better example of the kind of thinking that got us here than you just did, perfect. Thanks again Grrr
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SFCGuyW1 year, 7 months ago
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I am not Democ. In fact, I WAS a lifelong Repub. until GWBush decided to ruin what Presidents before him had built. Now I am Indep. I do not ridicule the Pledge of Allegiance, but I do object to what a past Congress did to the original Pledge (so did the author of it). As a retired wartime veteran & loyal American I gladly say the Pledge with all my heart.
That said, what Rush advocated was illegal. It is the same as if he advocated rioting or murdering someone - against the law. He shud be brought to answer for it. Those Repubs., Indeps. and Democs. who tried to illegally affect the voting shud also be brought to answer.
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Isoparm1 year, 7 months ago
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Limbaugh doesn't want you to vote how you want to vote, he wants you to vote the way HE wants you to vote. There are millions of people that are too willing to do what ever he says. He knows this, and so do his supporters. That is why he gets the big bucks.
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spkguy1 year, 7 months ago
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Klarissa
"sf. what is illegal about voting however you want to vote??"
"The law in Ohio, the Ohio Revised Code, is very clear on what Republicans have done. ORC 3513.20 says: Before any challenged person shall be allowed to vote at a primary election, the person shall make a statement, under penalty of election falsification, before one of the precinct officials, blanks for which shall be furnished by the board of elections, giving name, age, residence, length of residence in the precinct, county, and state; stating that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote; and giving all other facts necessary to determine whether the person is entitled to vote in that primary election. The statement shall be returned to the office of the board with the poll books and tally sheets."
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spkguy1 year, 7 months ago
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3599.36 Election falsification reads: No person, either orally or in writing, on oath lawfully administered or in a statement made under penalty of election falsification, shall knowingly state a falsehood as to a material matter relating to an election in a proceeding before a court, tribunal, or election official, or in a matter in relation to which an oath or statement under penalty of election falsification is authorized by law, including a statement required for verifying or filing any declaration of candidacy, declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate, nominating petition, or other petition presented to or filed with the secretary of state, a board of elections, or any other public office for the purpose of becoming a candidate for any elective office, including the office of a political party, for the purpose of submitting a question or issue to the electors at an election, or for the purpose of forming a political party.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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The problem is with the statement as you quote in the ORC "desires to be affiliated with and SUPPORTS the principals of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote; In other words if you align yourself with the Democratic party, but you don't believe in Gun control it is illegal to vote democratic the same if you are Republican and don't believe in the Right to Life you can't vote Republican since you don't SUPPORT that stance. In other words you don't have to even cross over to violate the rules. In fact politicians within their own party SELDOM support the whole platform of their own party. So they vote illegally too!
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"They ridicule a pledge of allegiance to the flag"
Honestly I don't believe they ever read the pledge of allegiance. If they had we wouldn't keep hearing the idiots whine "in a democracy"
"and the Republic for which it stands"
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bruhaha1 year, 7 months ago
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Who does. I suppose that by "ridicule a pledge of allegiance to the flag" you mean that they actually disagree with you.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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No, they point out the racism and sexism that is currently being used as a defense by both of these candidates. But that's ok, "Hillary aint never been called a N____R".
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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I can agree with that 100%. The media chose who they wanted our president to be quite some time ago. For once I have to say that I agree with SNL.
After saying that I need to go take a shower.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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I have read a large percentage of your comments for a year or so. Comments cloaked in reasonableness but then condoning malfeasance and excusing hate or evil.
You might want to examine the possibility that you actually ARE bad...
Thank you.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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I once had a Democrat that I liked competing with another democrat that I didn't like running in a primary the winner was running unopposed in the general therefore the primary
was the general for that position. I crossed over to vote the candidate I liked! The candidate even asked me to do it since we have a cordial relationship. You are now telling me that if Rush should be charged so should this democrat politician and so should I. Although I never filled out a "FORM" to switch all I was asked which ballot I wanted and to sign a form. NO indication was given by the POLL workers that this was ILLEGAL nor should it be! In fact YOU shouldn't even be asked for party affiliation There should be only one ballot and it should allow you to vote as you wish in the primary
Anything otherwise is a violation to our constitutional voting RIGHTS! Nowhere in my recollection does the constitution say anything about restricted voting due to party affiliation!
I am a Ohioan
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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I also know that probably 1/2 of Ohioans have done this on occasion. The courts better have room on their dockets for millions of cases! Also Rush since he is not a Ohioan probably couldn't be prosecuted under Ohio law, but the Democrat that encouraged me to do the same probably could be. You lefties better think twice before going too far with this!!!!
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Klarissa1 year, 7 months ago
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miv, so someone encouraged you to vote? Did you get mailers? Did you get phone calls?
What do you think an election is all about?
It is a candidate trying to talk you into voting for him/her.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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I normally vote Republican in the primary, The Democratic candidate encouraged me to CROSSOVER in the primary JUST the same as the article CONDEMNED RUSH for encouraging people to cross over!
I do get mailers, but this HAS nothing to do with mailers. The fact that a Democratic candidate asked me point blank to crossover in the Primary is exactly the same as the RUSH case! and yes he Knew we were registered Republicans.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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And even further, How many Democrats and Republicans alike agree 100% with their party platform? NOT even the member politicians do, so therefore nearly all voters would have to be indicted in both PARTIES!
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Grrr1 year, 7 months ago
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Most states crossover voting isn't illegal. Apparently, in Ohio it is.
Party affiliation restrictions for state primaries are up to the state parties, not the constitution.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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No, the states have rights, but not rights to over ride the constitution. if this law went to the supreme court I doubt it would stand! Especially since you cannot vote if you aren't in total agreement with a party platform which most within their own party even aren't. So technically if you don't 100% support your OWN party you can't vote either without breaking the law!
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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This is recent as it affects the very last 2 primary's. A major change like this KEPT a secret? As I noted the POLL workers were VERY nonchalant about this.
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Justice4All1 year, 7 months ago
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If Democrats voted in the Republican primary they would have voted for Romney or Huckelberry. They would be easier to beat than McCain.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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It is documented that Democrats did just the same for Ron Paul in Michigan and Florida since they knew their votes weren't going to count! I fact I think it was this action that brought the Idea to light anyway for use in Ohio!
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bruhaha1 year, 7 months ago
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Democrats were voting urged to vote for Romney in the only verifiable evidence of anyone (Daily Kos) trying to get democrats to influence the republican primaries. Once again, where's your proof. As with the others, I will assume you have none until you show it.
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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"If democrats never voted in the republican primaries, there's a good chance Romney would be the nominee!"
Name the liberal talk show host that encouraged the cross-over vote!
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