US Death Toll in Iraq War Hits 4,000 »
Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsThe U.S. military says a roadside bomb has killed four U.S. soldiers in Baghdad. That raises the overall American death toll to at least 4,000, a grim milestone as the war enters its sixth year.
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douglaskarr1 year, 3 months ago
Who said this, raats6662? "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."
That's right... Bill Clinton.
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GWHayduke1 year, 3 months ago
Violence for what?
Can anyone identify any positive result of this invasion and occupation?
I realize that the mission was accomplished, but WHAT was accomplished?
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Aidenag1 year, 3 months ago
Find it disturbing how little mention this is getting on sites like foxnews which is only mentioning the 4 soldiers being killed. Or for that matter any conservative website, i can't seem to find it mentioned anywhere on their frontpages. Pro war or not, this is a tragic statistic, that deserves attention to show(and honor) just how much has been sacrificed.
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ghengisghan1 year, 3 months ago
Its a number. Everytime the the casualty number hits 500 or a 1000 mark this website goes nuts. All the souls lost in between are ignored by you guys. EVERY soldier kia is a tragedy and sad and we as parents of soldiers worry about our sons and daughters every minute. Despite what the media portays MOST of the parents support the mission because that supports our kids.
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ningyo1 year, 3 months ago
its absolutely disgusting the way the dinosaur media and the anti-american left morbidly trumpet these sort of milestones--it isnt done out of any concern for the cause or the troops..just another way to push their self-indulgent agenda into the headlines--this "i support the troops but not the mission" fence sitting , does neither
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
You chickenhawks really do seem to get your nationalistic tailfeathers all twisted when anyone reminds you that while you "support" the troops from the safety of your climate-controlled home and bitch about taxes, Americans who have served 3-4 tours are still DYING daily in Bush's illegal failed occupation of Iraq.
Of COURSE it serves the interest of warmonger wingjobs like you to keep the raw reality of the staggering costs of this colossal blunder on the hush hush. The less Americans know about what's happening, the less likely they are to raise any objections to the criminality of it all. You accuse others of being "anti-American" when I suspect you're sacrificing absolutely NOTHING yourselves (because we all know cons aren't beating a path to military recruitment offices). Get serious.
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GWHayduke1 year, 3 months ago
OK, ning. Enough of your whining.
WHY do you support the mission?
WHAT was accomplished?
Please, no rhetoric about removing the bad dictator from his evil stronghold.
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ETproductions1 year, 3 months ago
Seems to me that the lack of cause is EXACTLY the reason that such milestones rankle the 70% of the people of America who want this ill begotten adventure brought to an end.
Supporting a war which only weakens and hurts American interests is incredibly dunderheaded and not the sort of support I care to endorse.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 3 months ago
You call the left "anti-American," yet you support and fully endorse policies that have weakened our military, brought economic ruin to our country, put thousands of our soldiers in their graves and dissolved all good will and respect for our flag and country. YOU are the traitor to America.
The neocons are the worst thing that has ever happened to our great country. There will come a reckoning one day. You should hide your face in shame for supporting this debasement of our principles and morality.
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Codi69341 year, 3 months ago
This I support the troops but not the war is crap! Just go ahead and spit on them. At least then they know were you stand.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS1 year, 3 months ago
How many life's must be condoned before you understand that the lies of this administration are not worth one speck of blood from those who fight for your right to sit on your fat a ss, spout rhetoric that you know is belittling to those who have fought and died for the very rights you abuse? Come on you phony piece of excrement tell us all about how you support the troops from the safety of your lazy boy you hypocrite.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
When we are silent, you assume we support the war.
When we question it, you call us traitors.
How can two thirds of America be anti-American?
If a soldier is ordered to fight, he must fight. That is his duty. A civilian must support the troops by being a serious, questioning gatekeeper on the purposes and goals of the fighting.
All else is empty, self-flattering flag-waving.
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
Actually the MSM reports most of our soldiers deaths. Better to report the milestones so the 29%ers will at least be reminded every thousand lives lost of the true cost of this invasion and occupation to the people of this country.
"it isnt done out of any concern for the cause or the troops"
Of course it is and you have no evidence that this is not the case.
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
ningyo - Why is reminding everyone of the death toll to try to bring the troops home early "anti-American"? Is your idea of being pro-American leaving these exhausted, stressed out GI's out in harm's way? Many have served multiple tours of duty.
All this for a war that should never have started. A war that was based on a pile of lies and errors. A war that has now evolved into a monstrous civil war that can only be ended by Iraqis themselves. A war that was so poorly planned for that the Pentagon allowed soldiers to go into battle w/ inadequate body armor and poorly shielded humvees. A war that was so poorly executed that foreign insurgents were able to easily infiltrate into Iraq and take target practice on our troops. A war that diverted attention and troops away from our real enemy - Osama bin Laden.
You are the real anti-American. Shame on you.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
All the objections of those who opposed the war from the beginning have been proven correct. This article has a particularly good summary of the CONTINUING follies and lies.
Five Years and Counting: Ten Unpleasant Truths About the War in Iraq
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5. The "surge" has failed as a strategy. Increased U.S. troop strength brought internal violence back down to 2005 levels, but political reconciliation did not occur and the level of violence is now rising. Judged by the administration's own criteria, the strategy has not worked. Current force levels are not sustainable, and prolonging the surge would damage our armed forces further and weaken our global position even more.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
6. The US cannot win the war at acceptable cost. America's ability to dictate political events in Iraq was never very great and is steadily declining. Iraqis will determine their country's future, not us, and prolonging the US presence will not alter this fact. Although Saddam is gone and Iraq will eventually recover, that result will not have been worth the enormous economic, diplomatic, and human costs incurred.
7. The search for scapegoats is underway. Civilians who now argue that the surge is "working" are trying to pin failure either on Bush's successor, or on those who have opposed the war from the beginning. By claiming things are improving and victory is in sight, they are preparing to blame defeat on whoever finally does get us out. But if there is no prospect for meaningful victory, staying in Iraq is strategically foolish and a cavalier waste of American lives.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-m-walt/fi...
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
Well, the failure of the "surge" becomes ever more apparent.
On violent Iraq Easter, 57 killed
Iraq Violence Kills at Least 57 As Extremists Pound Green Zone, Suicide Attack Hits Mosul
Rockets and mortars pounded Baghdad's U.S.-protected Green Zone Sunday and a suicide car bomber struck an Iraqi army post in the northern city of Mosul in a surge of attacks that killed at least 57 people nationwide....
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=97895
Sunday: 4 US Soldiers, 91 Iraqis Killed; 152 Wounded
http://www.antiwar.com/updates/?articleid=12569
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
Tragic Reprise: A Nation of Stupid Children, Who Refuse to Give Up the Lies
As the United States is about to begin the sixth year of its eternally unforgivable, genocidal war crime in Iraq, I direct your attention to a piece I wrote just over a year ago, on March 1, 2007. I could have selected any number of essays, but this one will do for my purposes.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
"A Nation of Stupid Children, Who Refuse to Give Up the Lies" arose out of yet another of the utterly meaningless controversies of the moment. Such daily contortions over trivialities -- which contortions consume our major media and far too many bloggers of all political persuasions -- prevent us from understanding anything of significance about the actual meaning of our nation's actions. This is why so many of us love them so much: we never have to think and, of even greater importance, we never have to do a damned thing that might actually matter to stop the ongoing crimes. In this case, the circus was set in motion by John McCain's comment that the United States had "wasted a lot of ... American lives" in Iraq.
And the heavens shook. Almost no one would speak the truth, which was far, far worse than anything McCain or any other national figure had said.....
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/03/tr...
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
Until we sort out the corrupt corporate media in the US, there will be little improvement.
Fast and Loose With the Facts
How Two Leading Journalists Played the Public to Help Bush Sell His War
... But by the time the U.S. invaded Iraq, five years ago today, much of the public thought that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were tightly allied to strike the United States. And the public believed this because the Bush administration constantly intimated it in order to launch its long-desired war.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
Donald H. Rumsfeld called the evidence linking Saddam and Al Qaeda "bulletproof." (He would later say, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two" -- and then walk that statement back.) CIA Director George J. Tenet, carrying the administration's water by misrepresenting what his CIA knew, said there were ties going back a decade. (He meant that they were a decade old.) Vice President Dick Cheney went on "Meet The Press" again and again to say that 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta met with an agent of Iraqi intelligence. (In early 2002, the FBI and the CIA debunked this claim.)
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Blackacereturn1 year, 3 months ago
From the start I was against this war, I must say I have had moments where I question my position but regain my senses. I will Never as long as I live forgive those who whithing or unwhithingly enabled this man/these people. It's is not like you have to look hard to know the truth, just move your hate to the side and you would see that this was all lies and ill gotten! I sign that a child is doing wrong is when his/her parents retreat into hiding in the mddle of what may have been their prowdest moment to have a son be the leader of the free war.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
Baghdad: How to Disintegrate a City
... Though many Baghdad communities are now experiencing their lowest levels of violence in two years, their situations are neither viable, nor stable. The cement barriers, which help to reduce violence, also make social and economic life nearly impossible. Most Baghdadis are now locked into their individual ghettos, terrified of strangers, often afraid to send their children to schools across barriers and neighborhoods, and unable to reach previously held jobs. Employers, deprived of needed workers and customers, have shuttered their establishments. The economy has largely ground to a halt.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
For most of Baghdad, the Iraqi government is simply irrelevant. It has no administrative apparatus in any of these communities or the capacity to restore needed services. Its only visible presence, the Iraqi army, is commanded or controlled by American officers; insofar as Iraqi soldiers do act independently, they follow the leadership of Shia militia commanders, not the central government. In neighborhoods even a few hundred feet from the Green Zone, the Iraqi government does not exist.
The Americans remain a major presence, but not a sovereign one. They maintain the most fearsome of the militias in Baghdad, capable of militarily overwhelming any adversary, but incapable of creating stable rule, even in cement-encircled ghost areas like Haifa Street. They cannot deliver electricity, or water, or jobs, or even, often enough, safe passage to the next neighborhood.
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canadianrancher571 year, 3 months ago
Yes this is another milestone in this war and some will say 4000 is just a number and why is it being made a story, but for thoise who oppose the war doing so on a daily basis doesn't always get the point across. For those who still support the war I still am wondering why they blindly follow, these people are the same people who when discussing the second world war talk of the countries of Germany and Japan and their exploits to dominate the areas they occupied, they say that those two countries has expansionist ideas and yet they support their own government which has shown to follow similar ideas under the banner of democracy or with the fight on terrorism. 9/11 was a sad day not only for America but for the world for it allowed the world leader at that time to gain free liberty to most regions in the world. The U.S. needed a central base in the oil rich area of the mid east ahd they chose to destroy the country of Iraq to do so. The troops will never come home, this is now home.
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dissent1 year, 3 months ago
how so? whether it's war or sanctions, it's hard to give up WMD's that don't exist. or do you think sanctions were going to bring "freedom & democracy" to iraq? btw, what were those sanctions supposed achieve again? what was this war supposed to achieve again? i forgot to look for today's reason on my tear-a-day calendar. most stupid war ever from the most stupid prez ever
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quackpot1 year, 3 months ago
If the surge has worked, why is it not possible to force the Iraqis to police their own country?
Why is the U.S.A. spending billions a month for the sole purpose of providing a police service for the do-nothing Iraqi government?
After five-plus years, it is time to turn over the responsibility of policing Iraq to the Iraqis.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
quackpot: "After five-plus years, it is time to turn over the responsibility of policing Iraq to the Iraqis."
It would be if the US wanted to leave, but I don't think that's the case.
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nikkibabe1 year, 3 months ago
Here is the new twist.
The London Daily Mirror reports today that the US military in Iraq (Ge. Betray-us) is secretly asking the British to do the "SURGE" in Southern Iraq & Basra as there has been a violent militia uprising. Only few months back the British handed over control to local forces.
Can there be any bigger HYPOCRISY on the part of this Administration and its poster child Gen. Betray-us.
They should waterboard that SOB Colin Powell who lied before UN to start this genocide, so he can tell all the secrets.
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donald511 year, 3 months ago
Powell has since admitted that day at the UN is the worst of his life and admitted to the false intel too! Like Tenet has come clean too!
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scott42611 year, 3 months ago
That's 4000 of our finest men and women who never should have died.
I'm already against the next war.
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nikkibabe1 year, 3 months ago
It is time also to remember 90,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children who have give their lives for the US invasion and occupation. How they died or who killed them is irrelavent.
To keep chanting 4000, 4000, 4000 is the height of HYPOCRISY that the rest of the world does not understand about this country and its supporters of the invasion & occupation.
Whoever, calls this a WAR is a party to the deaths of 4000 90,000.
Whoever is calling this an INVASION & OCCUPATION are the people who are trying in vain to end it.
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nikkibabe1 year, 3 months ago
Quote:"These men died fighting to free people, those that killed them are the same that would and will try to kill you".
So, the writer means to say that Bush invaded Iraq to free the people of Iraq who otherwise would have come here and killed me!. So he freed them and they are killing US troops who are occupying their country.
I hope someone can clarify this for me.
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xlegultx1 year, 3 months ago
We're trying to occupy a country which could be considered a 3rd world country based on their technology. Did it ever occur to pro-war people that 5x10^11 dollars is wrong? This number says 2 things; either the U.S.A is no longer competent to wage war or there is a lot of corruption.
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jimdoze1 year, 3 months ago
The U.S. death toll hit 4000 in two weeks on Iwo Jima alone. That was for a sandbar 8 miles long by 2 miles wide. That action was, and still is, considered heroic. Just what were our strategic and tactical reasons for that action?
Perhaps applying that same question to today's conflict will help (at least to those willing to think about it) get some perspective. There have been, and there remain, overwhelming strategic and tactical reasons for us to be in Iraq and remain in Iraq... even for as long as it has taken in Europe and, particularly, Korea.
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Isoparm1 year, 3 months ago
Iwo Jima is not Iraq. The Japanese attacked us. We invaded Iraq. To compare the deaths is to trivialize their sacrifice.
Those 4000 may not seem like much to you, but it sure would matter if it was you, or a family member who was killed. I have noticed that those who are the strongest supporters of this war, are not the ones who are choosing to put their money(body?) where their mouth is, as recruiting is lacking, and they're needing to relax qualifications to get the bodies.
The overwhelming strategic and tactical reasons for us being in Iraq, was a misguided effort to make the ME safer for Israel, and increase profits for corporate America. A bought-and-paid-for Bush was only too happy to comply.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
Iwo Jima is a good example, as a contrast.
We were a country unjustly attacked by a clear enemy. We responded with the goal of defending our lives, defeating their army.
The country understood the reasons, and the goals; and supported them. Iwo Jima was a stepping-stone to Tokyo.
Policing the anarchy between civilian religious groups in the post-overthrow ruins of a mesopotamian dictator has no believable benefit for America. We only waste money, lives, our unity and the respect of the rest of the world.
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aceofspades11 year, 3 months ago
"But you sleep safe in your bed at night because brave men are willing to visit voilence on your behalf. "
Well I for one DO NOT sleep safe at night knowing we are sending these brave men (& women, you seem to forget) to be cannon fodder for absolutely no sane reason other than the misguided ideals of money & power.
I worry about my future, not of being attacked by terrorists, but the devaluation of the dollar I have worked all my life for - I worry about the futre of my children & grandchildren who will have to pay for this fiasco - I worry about the divisions between the people of this nation & primarily I woeey about the erosion of the American promise - sleep safely?? hardly
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saintetienne1 year, 3 months ago
"my children & grandchildren who will have to pay for this fiasco"
Don't start in with how much this war is costing, when here at home, Detroit's pimp-hop Mayor "Kwame" has already cost his city's taxpayers millions for his corruption, misconduct and perjury. And New York's now ex-governor used his power - and the taxpayer's money and time - to pay for high-priced prostitutes. And New Jersey's ex-governor, whose sex scandal trial is costing taxpayers... and the mayor of San Francisco, whose affair was dragged into the public...and the mayor of L. A., whose affair was dragged into the public...
Meanwhile, our troops are busy doing their JOBS, risking their lives to protect our freedoms, our way of life and our foreign interests.
It's shameful and embarrassing how our public "servants" behave the way they do and bilk the taxpayers, while our troops risk their lives to protect these douchbags and their "right" to behave that way.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
from the beginning our leaders gave away US power in the situation. By declaring that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators and will embrace democracy, and that we would win hearts and minds, etc etc.
You know what all that does?
It lets other people, not the US, but other people the power to control what we do
Look at the events commonly given as things-call them 'benchmarks' if you like-that need to occur in order for us to leave, and you will see they are all things THAT ARE NOT UP TO US.
THEY must stop killing each other
THEY must become self-governing
THEY must be able to defend themselves
All that stuff is out of our control.
It's up to them.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
We're supposed to help them until they can stand on their own two feet, but if they don't want to stand...what then?
Some geniuses decided to throw us into a situation that hamstrings us from the get
again, it's a logic problem. Logic is important because if you start with a faulty premise, like taking over a country forcing people to be self-governing and democratic, this is what happens
You give them the power because that personal power of self-governance and independence can't be mandated or forced
It's up to them, not us
Like I said up there
Like I said 3 years ago
Like I'll probably say again 3 years from now
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buckheadd1 year, 3 months ago
Wow! And if Mcain is elected, and we stay there for a HUNDRED more years, I bet that death toll will be at least 4 times the current one.
BUCKHEADD FOR PRESIDENT 2008!
$PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT$ As of 3/23/08, ALPHAGNOSIS has not been fired. Although I,Buckheadd, was planning on doing it because of her support to Bush, I will not. STONERS and ENGINEER are supporting me SILENTLY, and I have not heard from them in a while. I am growing disappointed with my campaign members but I am not planning on firing any of them. Last week, bronxbomber and ranchhand were fired, as all of you should know by now. ~I am still looking for more members to be a part of my campaign, message me if you are interested~
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albionperfides1 year, 3 months ago
However much we detested Blair for his sycophancy to Bush on Iraq at least when he appeared in the House of Commons each week to answer Prime Minister's Questions he had the decency to read out the names of the British Soldiers who had died that week. Did Bush even do anything remotely similar? I think not. He even instructed the US Media not to publish any photographs of the coffins arriving in the US from Iraq. Control of the media is the first step on a slippery slope. What was that about a free media?
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KMFDM1 year, 3 months ago
Mr. Cheney, what do you have to say about the majority of Americans being agaisnt this war and want to bring their loved ones back home.
Dick Cheney, "So?"
These are the people that say they want to spread democracy to the middle east.
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
Sorry for the false positive. Alot of liberals with knowledge of how this fiasco started and continued here. And a few War Monger types (you know lemmings, parrots, flag wrappers, false patriots...).
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subsider341 year, 3 months ago
Just because the press says that we've accomplished nothing doesn't mean its true. For instance, by entering Iraq we actually DECREASED the amount of military casualties we had each year.
To back up my statement, take a look at this site:
"Military Deaths Since 1980"
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3609
and this one
"Comparing the military death rates"
http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/004581.html
Find anything interesting yet? The press keeps hammering away at us, telling us that the Iraq War is the cause of all the military casualties, when in fact, the casualty rate is actually lower than it was before we went to war.
Also, the Clinton numbers are especially interesting. If we're so concerned about our casualty statistics than maybe we ought to reconsider voting for Hillary Clinton in the upcoming election.
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Ratskii1 year, 3 months ago
I noticed two things. Both sites are right wing talking point sites (for example next to the article on qando was an advertisement that said, "Tell you congressman to eliminate the death tax now." Neither site shows the source of its statistics. Qando has a link, but it won't load. Do they include the accidental deaths in other parts of the military with those that have occurred in the 2003-2008 statistics so that the comparison with the stats from 1980-2003 is valid. Nope.
More right-whiner hype unless you show us where your stats come from and how they were compiled.
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unkelSam1 year, 3 months ago
when are we going tu be like da 60s and 70s generation? When they weren't happy with what waz goin on they took tu da streets, fought with police and held lots of sit ins and such. This generation is just letting big brother walk over our Constitution. Big brother lies, torture , spy on us , send our brothers and sistas to fight a country that did nufing tu us and spend our hard earned tax money on showing off our military power. Kan I get an " enough is enough" Send my unkel GW and his party packing in November and lets start new.4000 killed by GW and rumsfelt and chenny and condi and rove and anne coulta .
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
Let the government try and start up the draft and we'll see....
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subsider341 year, 3 months ago
Incorrect grammar is a marvel of modern ingenuity. Why, it only took us a hundred years to perfect it, whereas it took our ancestors thousands to perfect the overrated writing style we call "correct".
Other than that I clearly see your point. A good perspective to consider...
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bluenote15221 year, 3 months ago
McCain is a good man. I am not excited about him but next to Hillary and Obama he is the only one to stop the spending in Washington. Governtment run healthcare will be a disaster. She couldn't do it 15 years ago and let's hope she can't do it this time. Bill allowed these frivoulous medical lawsuits to escalate to the point of obscene. Obama is another socialist only with less experience in Marxism.
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donald511 year, 3 months ago
...he has shown he'll cave just like he did on his own Anti-Torture Bill! He tried to reform campaign funding too - another failure on his part! Then to continue this debacle in Iraq as the economy tubes! More of George Dumya is not what this country needs... and may cause its final demise!
Another fool who has no compassion for fellow Americans... and to show such becomes sociolism? Government is not meant to protect only those that earn 200,000 a year which Dumya has done!
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ningyo1 year, 3 months ago
its absolutely disgusting the way the dinosaur media and the anti-american left morbidly trumpet these sort of milestones--it isnt done out of any concern for the cause or the troops..just another way to push their self-indulgent agenda into the headlines--this "i support the troops but not the mission" fence sitting , does neither----ACTUALLY..it does more than that..out of HARVARD tonight comes definative research that says every time this sort of anti-troop story hits the headlines..the attacks go up and the enemy is encouraged--what a surprise--the same goes for when the lib-dem leadership like reid/pelosi make their anti-troop statements .."the war is lost"--the enemy redoubles their efforts and our troops and innocents die---just like vietnam..we are winning the war...but the hard marxist left like libscape is on the side of our enemy working for the defeat of america
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saintetienne1 year, 3 months ago
"only John's persistence is keeping Ron from the nomination"
....well, that, and Ron Paul's 2% support of voters.
"Anyone got any really good dirt on McCain?"
No, there IS no dirt on McCain. The New York Times tried that and failed, embarrassingly. And anyway, why do you have to resort to finding dirt on an opponent in order to boost your own candidate? Do you work for the Clinton campaign?
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Ratskii1 year, 3 months ago
There's lots of dirt on McCain, and you're going to see it all from July through October 2008.
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