Girl Dies From Diabetes After Parents Pray for Healing »
Posted By Neophile 1 year, 7 months ago in StyleAn 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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Jeesh, where to begin. I feel bad for the parents because they didn't mean harm. That being said, they should be charged with child abuse resulting in death. The poor little girl must have suffered a horrible death. The other two kids should also be removed from the house until the parents are able to demonstrate that they are capable of exercising better judgment. It's fine to believe what you want, but your religious rights end at someone's else's health.
We had a case like this in Massachusetts a few years ago where some "cult" members starved a little boy to death.
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"Prayer isn't supposed to replace medical attention."
--But sadly that (or desperate hospital emergency room visits) is the approach Bush and the GOP Congress want the 10 million innocent uninsured American children (from whom they have fought ferociously to deny health insurance) to take when they need treatment for their cancers, decayed teeth, and broken bones. I guess it's just too bad our kids weren't born in Iraq. Sure, they'd live in fear of being bombed by us daily but at least we're funneling enough money into the infrastructure there (while our bridges and levees disintegrate right out from under us) such that Iraqi children can receive decent healthcare. God DAMN the Republican Party. ;-(
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Spadecaller1 year, 7 months ago
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Oh boy! I sometimes wonder if people should need to get licenses to reproduce. When religious belief is used to deny the need of responsible health care, it becomes more of a threat to those we love than a source of comfort and protection. What a shame. Such ignorance!
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toph19731 year, 7 months ago
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More proof that prayer does not work whatsoever.
You bring up a good point. It begs to ask should childbearing be a right? We have to have licenses for everything. Except the thing that requires the most responsibility. If the majority of people are not responsible enough to handle their automobiles, how can they be responsible enough to have a child?
If you have to get a license to get married you should definitely have to have one to have a child.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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Right before this story came out, someone wrote to our local newspaper (it's a page where anyone can anonymously voice opinons) said : If you are a true Christian, God will provide you with everything you need.'
That was in reply to an elderly disabled couple who had unexpected bills and could not afford any food, and asked for help from the community.
Now maybe prayer can feel like support, comfort as a suppliment to REAL support from others, be it food, medical, housing etc...
If those parents wanted to believe that for themselves, so be it, but when you are responsible for anothers life, that is neglect and regardless of their religious views, I hope they are charged with negligent homicide.
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AntiNeoCon1 year, 7 months ago
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Prayer is good, but God also gave us a brain that we are supposed to use. When you need medical attention, you go to the doctor or emergency room.
Now Ricky will probably tell ya to contact Budda or Darwin....but they are dead. j/k Ricky. Hang in there...
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grungeplunge1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes, they very probably didn't mean harm and it must be awful for them as well - but this is what comes off uncritically claiming to "knowing the truth" within whichever context, and that isn't restricted to religion alone. Where beliefs escalate to a mere upmanship of "I know more than you do" and someone gets hurt or even killed in the process, it becomes unpardonable.
So yes, too: If this kind of thing goes unpunished, society and its organizational incarnation, the state, will arguably lose all justifiability in terms of their own raison d'etre.
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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Interesting that you should say that about "knowing the truth" within whichever context. An argument could be made about medicine working the same way. (I know, I know, the practice of medicine is based on experimentation and usually works as intended. And anyone who sees my comments out here knows I'd never make the same choice myself that these parents made--certainly not based on "faith."
Interesting that you should say that about "knowing the truth" within whichever context. An argument could be made about medicine working the same way. (I know, I know, the practice of medicine is based on experimentation and usually works as intended. And anyone who sees my comments out here knows I'd never make the same choice myself that these parents made--certainly not based on "faith."
That said, occasionally medicine also has unintended consequences and does more harm than good. And sometimes the ill actually do get better without medical care.
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tehranchik1 year, 7 months ago
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The black and white of it is---something as simple as an insulin shot would have saved her life.
The mother still thinks she can be resurrected?
It's one thing to do what you want with your own life but quite another when you are responsible for another's life.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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There has been discussion of having to get a 'license' to procreate, since the state makes adoptive parents subjects of such intense scrutiny. A parenting license is a bit too fascist for my taste, however a tax credit for passing a comprehensive parenting class for first-time parents would seem to make sense.
Thoughts?
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joeblowe1 year, 7 months ago
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And the TRULY disgusting thing: those f'ing idiot people are probably SATISFIED with the outcome; "it's God's will that she be taken to heaven now." or some such bul!sh!t. It's unfortunate that someone who knew about this didn't get a judge to intervene.
And another irony: These are probably the SAME freaking idiots that would carry a picket sign all day in front of an abortion clinic.
And a question: If they took the girl to a doctor for immunizations, why not for life saving medical treatment? Did they simply get more and more mentally ill as the girl got older?
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes she is. Where she no longer suffers from any ailment. Or stupid parents.
I truly believe in God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.
But when my children were sick or injured I not only prayed, I took them to doctors. Who had medical training and knowledge. I had faith that God would help my child with the knowledge he had given that doctor.
Someone needs to inform these parents that while prayer is called for so is action. When my grandson got hit by a car we prayed. We prayed when he was on the helicopter on the way to the hospital. We prayed when we were on our way to the hospital and we prayed and gave thanks when he was alright.
But we let the professionals look at him to make sure.
I wonder if these same people pray the coffee and food they need to prepare are done everyday? Or if they actually do what is needed and give thanks for being able to.
They need some serious help. With understanding a lot of things.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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midleft:
There have been doctors who have no answers for how a patient was healed from some deadly disease. They have attributed it to prayer. Whether you choose to believe it is your choice.
Prayer is not always answered with positive as n2n stated.
There are prayers that are answered with a yes and those that are answered with a no.
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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midleft-no reason in the world to call people idiots or inbreds because of their beliefs, except for your own hate filled mind. Religion and prayer has helped many people, being Agnostic I cannot say because there was any 'God' who answered their prayers, but because in a way those people might have helped themselves because they believed. It is 'self help' some people find their belief a great comfort, and if it helps them fantastic! it doesn't mean I believe, but I believe they believe. And in the end..who knows, they may be right! Besides harming others with any belief, why do you care what someone believes in? would you call a child who believes in Santa a moron? an inbred idiot?
I won't devalue someones prayer belief just as I wouldn't want someone to devalue my belief in luck, hope etc...
but it has to remain personal, you cannot harm other as these parents harmed their child by not providing her with medical attention. Very selfish.
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skeptic2711 year, 7 months ago
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not2needy: Where in the Bible does it say that sometimes the answer is no? It says just the opposite, over and over again.
Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
Matthew 21:22
And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.
Mark 11:24
Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you.
Luke 11:10
For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened.
John 16:24
Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the stupidity of religion at it's most evil.
Pray to save your child from diabetes (which of course human SCIENCE can treat) and then keep telling me we should teach intelligent design as an alternative to science in schools.
Go on, keep telling me.
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StillUnashamed1 year, 7 months ago
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Question: Have you ever known someone who has become ill with a treatable illness, go to the doctors/hospitals and died? I have.
Have you ever seen someone whom the doctors say they cannot help and that they don't have a chance to live through the night but still not only survive but recover to live a quality life? I have.
The point I'm trying to make is this: Is medical science perfect? Of course not. If the medical profession fails to heal a person and that person dies, will the family be critisized for not relying on prayer?
FOR THE RECORD: I believe in the power of prayer and the ability of the medical profession. I have a right to my belief, you have a right to yours and those parents have a right to theirs. Once their rights are taken away from them, and my rights are taken away from me, there'll be no one to keep your rights from being taken away too!
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canadianrancher571 year, 7 months ago
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I wonder if the childs parents where badly injured in an accident if they would seek medical aid or just pray to be healed. If one wishes to mess with ones own life fine but when it comes to other peoples lives especially children I wish some of these people would clue in.
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smithichie1 year, 7 months ago
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That is an excellent point, canadianrancher. I think if the parents sought any medical attention, for themselves, since they last time they provided it for their daughter, they should be facing murder charges instead of mere negligent homicide charges.
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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Dear god,
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/x/xtc/dear god_20147941.html
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Harbeas1 year, 7 months ago
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How do these parents now that it was God's will? It could just as easily been God's will to give the little girl the medical attention she needed. If the little girl got the shot and still died, THAT would be God's will! Sterilize both parents so they can't kill anymore of their children!
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quackpot1 year, 7 months ago
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This couple takes advantage of the modern miracle of electricity (they own a coffee shop) but not the modern miracle of insulin?
As sad as this story is, it is nothing compared to what the Bush Administration is doing.
This couple killed one person with their "faith-based" approach to diabetes but Bush is killing millions with his "faith-based" approach to sexually transmitted diseases. An approach that requires that 1/3 of anti-AIDS funds be spent on this "faith-based" nonsense.
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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There is no cure for any virus disease. There are now several STD's that can't be cured. Prevention is the ONLY method. Condoms are not safe. 1 in 15 failure per Consumer Reports. Some diseases just go right through the wall of the condom. Yet people like you say abstinence is not the answer but condoms are.
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cloud151 year, 7 months ago
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My gosh.....
Are you that obsessive over your hate of Bush that you have to say something about him every time you post? This topic has nothing to do with him or politics yet you must talk about him!
Its pathetic and sickening how some people can't forget about politics and stop pushing their agenda.
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IanFraigun1 year, 7 months ago
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Religion was designed by prehistoric man to try and make sense of what he did not and could not know. We now know much about many of these things due to thousands of years of increased knowledge.
Relegion can still clam a mind facing major issues in life both physical and emotional. If it does that then all the better for the individual.
On the other hand we know that there are aspects of science that can help with many things including some severe illnesses.
Using our human intelligence properly we should take advantage of all those achievements of men and if needed still rely on religion to emotionally calm us, but we should never ever try to use religion to cure what mankind has found the ability to cure.
I had a minor stroke several years ago and am on anti-coagulants for life. If I would decide to use religion and give up the medicine I say to those who know me they should have me committed for attempted suicide.
These parents are to blame for what happened.
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an15dy1 year, 7 months ago
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There a lot of people who are miss informed, the parents included. For them to expect some babble to heal their daughter it's absurd? Surely they went through some ailments in their lives that they prayed, and prayed about and it never releived the pain, it never helped, after that you'd think someone would get the hint, "there ain't nothing there!!!!!", quit being cheap... go see a @#@*#& doctor!!!
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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While I agree with you about supernatural creatures, I don't think the charge of murder is warrented. I don't think her intent was to kill her child. I think it fits for the crime of negligent homicide. Nor do I think they deserve jail time because loosing a child has got to be the worst punishment, knowing that your negligence caused your childs death has got to be unbearable. I can't imagine it.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Well, you may not believe one word of it, but this isn't the first time this has happened:
http://www.masskids.org/dbre/dbre_2.html
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/gues...
So, there you have it.
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