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Posted By bobo-in-texas 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsHas Barack Obama been hurt by his association, now revealed to most American voters, with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? The numbers from Rasmussen Reports supply some answersââ;¬"mostly in the direction of yes.
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Wolfie20071 year, 8 months ago
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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BoBo congratulated himself as follows: "Well I'm expecting this to be called, lies..."
I wouldn't call it a lie. Spin would be more accurate. It's not "Polls Show". The Truth is "A Poll Shows."
Since that poll is from RepugniCon spinmaster Scott Rasmussen, and since it conflicts with a whole host of other reliable polls, I doubt it indicates anything more than the Repugs continued wish to get Hillary nominated as their Democratic opponent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Rasmussen
Conflicting Polls:
Pew: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/pe...
Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/105724/Gallup-Daily-...
WSJ/NBC: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/document...
Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/032008_rele...
RCP: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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Hooray for the Right, uberfuhrer k-ludlow. America's not quite diminished to third world status. There is still a bit of wealth left for your RepugniCons to siphon off for the ultra-wealthy multinationals. Stay the course and elect a Bush clone.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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Like aniokly noted in the prior post, Rasmussen's poll is at odds with the WSJ/NBC poll.
Pennsylvania will provide a good test of who is right, although Hillary didn't help herself with the Kosovo "misspeaking." But most of the articles that I've seen about working class white voters in PA document dissatisfaction both with Obama's relationship with Wright and Obama's speech.
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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The cracks in the Democratic temple have become fissures.
Bill Clinton is telling Obama to "saddle up for battle" even as Hillary's numbers fall.... People are lobbing Monica questions at Chelsea... Obama's race speech did more harm than good, and he can't shake the "reverend" from his past.... Eliot Spitzer is soon to be indicted, even as his replacement admits to extra-marital affairs with colleagues.... Tony Villaraigosa is dodging reporters about his affair... McGreevey and his wife snipe at each other in court... Voters in Florida and Michigan are disenfranchised.... Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid continue their brigade of uselessness... And for once, bigmouth Howard Dean - agape at all the goings-on and clueless as to what to do - is mercifully silent....
Soon, this collapsing ruin of a political party - being undone from the inside out - will come falling down in a heap. After their landslide loss this November, it's FINISHED.
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
(Sigh....) Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried! The freak-show circus that the Democrats have become is just COMICAL to watch! How anyone can watch mere television or go to the movies when all this stuff is being provided daily by the Democrat Nut Brigade - - for FREE - - is beyond me!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Somebody really ought to be selling tickets to the public for the Obama/Clinton fights...er, Democratic convention in August. If that isn't going to be entertaining, well then I don't know what is!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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nostalgia1 year, 8 months ago
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"Somebody really ought to be selling tickets to the public for the Obama/Clinton fights...er, Democratic convention in August"
They might have to sell tickets!
Money Troubles in Denver
While the dragged-out Democratic primary battle is taking its toll on the candidates, their staffs and their anxious supporters, it is also making it much harder to plan the coronation.
The host committee for the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver is finding it difficult to raise the $55 million it has promised in exchange for the privilege of holding the event at the Pepsi Center
Last Monday, the committee failed to achieve its latest fund-raising deadline imposed by the DNC. The committee has missed two of its three interim deadlines before the full amount comes due on June 16.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/m...
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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Thanks nostalgia! And might I add.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
This is TYPICAL of Democrats. Give 'em a goal and a deadline and they'll blow it every time! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Honestly, what is WRONG with this party? They just DON'T want to WORK! I guess that, as per usual, they're all sitting around waiting for the government to step in and take care of everything. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Ahhhhh....I'm telling you, this campaign has been quite an eye-opener. It really has opened up the can of worms that is this party. The corruption.... the scandals.... the past ties and alliances with motley crooks.... the inability to coalesce the party into a cohesive force.... the in-fighting.... the lack of drive, gumption or even blind LUCK to get anything accomplished.... the campaign workers defecting in droves... the sheer BUFFOONERY of people like Pelosi, Reed, Dean, Boxer, Kennedy, Kerry and now Clinton and Obama!!
I'm just laughing upROARiously as each day goes by!
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Dicax_Maximus1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm simply grateful that I don't need to vote in this apology for a "race for the leadership".....
They (the 3 front runners from BOTH) parties, all appear to be as bad as each other....
My only preference is NOT Hillary, for the final "nail in her coffin" was lying over her grandstanding.....
For the other two, may your God help your country.....
This does not bode well........
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 8 months ago
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nostalgia1 year, 8 months ago
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A poll in PA backs up the poll in this story:
Real Clear Politics:
"Just how bad is documented by some key findings from a series of recent polls. Almost none of the results bode well for Obama. Clinton is winning and winning big. She has decisively stopped Obama's earlier momentum in PA."
"Obama has actually slipped slightly with blacks and more substantially with young voters--2 demographics that are critical for him in the contest. He has lost support with other key constituencies - white males and evangelicals."
"Equally important in understanding Obama's problems is the week or so of rough patch he endured during the controversy over his pastor. That period probably produced a greater increase in his polling "negatives" than any other in the campaign. From just mid-February to mid-March, he sustained a 10 point decline in his favorable ratings according to the Franklin & Marshall College Poll."
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mauigirl171 year, 8 months ago
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I'm surprised the negatives aren't higher. What's with Pelosi backing Obama anyway? I thought it's all about the children with her. why isn't anybody upset about the children of TUCC being subjected to Rev. Wright at the pulpit holding his hands by his privates, gyrating (while pretending to receive ******) while saying "Clinton done us like he did Monica".
Where's the Child Protection Services?
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icono11 year, 8 months ago
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As a "average white person" that has been shot at by a 'real sniper' during my GI service to 'God and Country', I find this whole attempt at serious political theater, the Clinton, OBama psycho-drama, absolutely asinine and absurd. If it wasn't for the dangerous political reality of the position these people are 'running for' it would be nothing more than a dark comedy of self aggrandizing mistakes at best.
And I hear that insane McCain is ranting at the Russian's evil empire again. Dr. Strangelove redux?
Are these three self centered children the best this country can produce now?
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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The key to actually determining if this hurt or did not hurt Obama in his race against Clinton is to conduct a poll of all states that have not yet voted in the Democratic primaries and compare that with any such polls that may have existed just prior to the attacks, if any pollster had the foresight to make such a poll. If they exist, that will tell it more accurately then any national poll. For all we know the few percentage points Obama lost due to this are all concentrated in states that didn't vote yet and Clinton's dip is concentrated in states that have already voted. If that unlikely event occurs Obama could be in serious trouble. That concentration could put Obama significantly behind Clinton. Frankly I don't find that scenario very likely, or vice versa, but it would be interesting to know what polls of the states that have yet to vote before and after this incident say.
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automan9091 year, 8 months ago
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Separation of church and state is just a ficticous thing kept alive by left wing commies like you. It's not anywhere in our Constitution and never has been. In god we trust is on our money, not in Marx we trust. Our whole country is based on God and the teachings of the Bible so get over it.
As for Obama...put a fork in him, he's done.
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Tangent0011 year, 8 months ago
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Hmmm, where in the Bible is:
the protection of free speech?
the right to keep and bear arms?
the right to peacible assembly?
Heck, ANY of the Constitutional Amendments! (Actually, the separation of church and state IS in the Bible, Matthew 22:21.)
'In God we Trust' was declared the national motto and added to our currency in 1956 at the time of the Red Scare to differentiate America from the 'godless' Communists. Around the same time, by the way, the phrase 'under God' was added to the Pledge of Allegiance.
The founding fathers were Deists at best and the Treaty of Tripoli clearly identifies the US as specifically NOT based on Christianity.
BTW, the absence of Christianity is NOT Communism.
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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FTA:
Before the Wright revelations, Rasmussen in its nightly tracking showed Obama ahead of Clinton nationally 48 percent to 41 percent, a statistically significant 7 percentage point lead. On March 18, the day of Obama's Philadelphia speech, that was reduced to a 45 percent to 44 percent lead. The most recent results, reported March 24, showed Clinton ahead 46 percent to 44 percent. In other words, over two weeks, Obama was down 4 percentage points, Clinton up 5 percentage pointsâ;;major movement, given the usually glacially show movement in Rasmussen numbers.
but wait...
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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glacially slow?
well, that simply ain't true.
on feb 1 hillary was up 43-37
on feb 14 obama was up 49-37
in the quote from the article above, Michael Barone says that Obama going down 4 points and hillary going up five points in that two week period was "major movement". its the main thrust of his arguement.
so then, what does it mean that in the two week span I've shown, there was much more movement, with obama going up 12 and hillary going down six?
that's much more movement than the two week span in the Barone example.
which means, the truth is folks: not much changed over the last two weeks.
the proof: I just showed you a different two weeks where nothing major happened news-wise, yet there was a much bigger shift in the poll numbers between the two dem candidates.
oh well...keep trying?
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oldauntjoy1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm an old white woman who grew up in the segregated South, where rumors were spread that the NAACP and Martin Luther King were pawns of the Communist Party. Witnessing how blacks were treated, I can empathize with the anger of that Rev. Wright's generation.
I attended a prominent Southern Baptist Church --more liberal back then -whose pastor preached against the Masonic Lodge and angered my father, and doubtless the fathers of several of my friends who were his lodge brothers. But our families stayed in the church, because MOST of our pastor's sermons were less controversial and overall, we loved our church for many reasons.
My husband, a veteran of 20 years in the military, including Nam, is a lifelong Republican and an amateur historian. Both of us support Barack Obama.
Either you understand the man and his message or you don't.
But forget the polls and the smear tactics. America is waking up from a long nightmare. Obama will be our next President. Get used to the idea.
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mythhycca11 year, 8 months ago
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If this doesn't wreck Obama's run, I don't know what will.
We know his wife hates America and we know his Rev. hates America and we know he's been taking his kids to the church that promotes hate and has been attending this church for 20 years. And yet people still say they're views aren't his?
He said he never knew his rev. hated or his wife hated? How blind, deaf is this man? Anyone that uses the black oppression card to vindicate him is out there!
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Tangent0011 year, 8 months ago
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Um, pointing out injustice is not 'hatred'. The words Wright chose were unfortunate, but the arguments he's making are certainly supportable.
I guess for some, failure to sing all praises all the time for America is not only 'unpatriotic' but 'hateful'.
I brought up the point before, but I know Catholics who have attended the same church all their lives, even though they abhorred the church's message regarding the 'place' of women. Does that make them all 'women-haters'?
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Tangent0011 year, 8 months ago
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I'm not saying I agree with them, particularly the AIDS thing. There is most certainly evidence of continued institutionalized racism, and that the 9/11 attacks were 'blow-back' over US foreign policy.
The AIDS myth is largely driven by memories of the Tuskeegee syphillis study, with a smattering of COINTELPRO.
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nostalgia1 year, 8 months ago
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Oprah left the church - different reports on when but most say after 2 years.
This is interesting though:
Mr. Obama's church published this open letter to Oprah Winfrey
Obama Church Published 'Ethnic Bomb' Claim
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-churc...
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Yes, there's a poll that says the Wright connection did not harm Obama. That raises a few questions.
1. Where is Rev. Wright and why is he canceling speech engagements?
2. Why did TUCC clean up its web site?
3. Why did the Obama campaign web site delete links to TUCC?
4. If Uncle Racist is family, why doesn't he appear with Obama?
5. For that matter, why is Rev. Wright no longer on the Obama campaign?
6. If Rev. Wright was justified in saying what he said about white people and the US, why is Fox News e-ville for reporting what he said, word for word?
At least when Hillary took an arguably disgraceful "stand by her man" approach over the Monica thingy, by God she stood by her man. Obama tosses out a speech as if throwing fish to baby seals, then shoves Wright into a closet.
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dandt16121 year, 8 months ago
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I agree with purpose. You can't sit under someones preaching and not let it become part of your beliefs. It doesn't go away over night or by a few speeches. Obama has been hurt by this and will keep on being hurt by it. His wife will also keep on hurting him for sure. I believe a lot of people are viewing him in a different light now.
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unome21 year, 8 months ago
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Lets see, The Republicans who brought us election fraud, the mass-murder of 9-11, the 9-11 cover-up, lied us into an illegal war in Iraq, lied us into an illegal occupation in Iraq, secret mercenary killers called Blackhawk, Concentration camps, 4000 dead American soldiers, 30,000 injured soldiers, countless Iraqi civilian dead, record profits for the oil industry, record profits for war profiteering Halliburton[Cheney's Company}.
Lets not forget the Religious Hate Speech from Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson.
I think we should all go back and listen to Barack Obama's speech again, after seven years of being dumbed down by Bush you might have to hear it a few times to understand it's positive message.
Good Luck
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svensun1 year, 8 months ago
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unome, yes inoyou, all right.
When you refer to GOP election fraud, are you referring to the slashing of 20 GOP-rented vans in Milwaukee by the sons of a Democrat Congresswoman and former Mayor?
Are you referring to the attempt cherry-pick handcounting of ballots to only Dem-leaning Florida counties in 2000?
Are you referring to the attempt to throw out the vote of EVERY military servicemember voting by absentee in Florida in 2000?
Is that what you are referring to?
In implying an illegal war in Iraq, are you referring to the authorization for use of military force that Hillary and Kerry, among others, voted for in 2002? Are you implying that they acted illegally?
In referring to 'secret mercenary killers', are you referring to BLACKWATER contractors? And if they are so secret, then why in the world do YOU know about them? Are you revealing classified information, ILLEGALLY?
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svensun1 year, 8 months ago
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inoyou,
In referring to concentration camps, are you referring to Gitmo, where the inmates live in greater comfort and luxury (better food, air conditioning, nicer beds) than the guards?
In referring to record oil profits, are you referring to the claims made by the anti-war crowd that the purpose of invading Iraq was to 'steal' Iraq's oil? Are you claiming that the plan was to 'steal' this oil at $100 a barrel? That's quite a theft.
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Tangent0011 year, 8 months ago
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I have never received an answer to this one: Pat Robertson is a current and frequent adviser to President Bush, yet Bush has never been pressured to denounce him. Here are some quotes:
"Presbyterians are the spirit of the Antichrist."
"The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals â;; the two things seem to go together."
"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department)
"Big fat nancy nancy-boy faggot."
This man has a TELEVISION SHOW, for crying out loud!
Of course, I guess it's not 'hate speech' if one happens to agree with it...
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svensun1 year, 8 months ago
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Here's your answer, tangent:
Since when is Robertson a 'current and frequent adviser(sic)'
to President Bush?
I have seen NO EVIDENCE of that. If you have any, please produce it.
Most of the Christians I know consider Robertson to be a nutty eccentric, at best, and certainly not someone they look to for advice or guidance. The fact that he is on TV means LITTLE in terms of his influence, other than that is how he spends his followers' money.
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Tangent0011 year, 8 months ago
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Why is it okay for Robertson to be dismissed as a 'nutty eccentric', but not for Wright to be dismissed as a 'crazy uncle'?
The 'current and frequent adviser(sic)(sic)' was in error. I bought into a rumor and thus hang my head in shame. Robertson has met face-to-face with Bush on a few occasions, and Robertson frequently participates in a weekly conference call with the White House to give the 'pulse' of the evangelical community, but that call is led by Tim Goeglein. I think it's worth pointing out, however, that 150 White House staffers are graduates from Robertson's Regent University. I'm not sure how many other 'nutty eccentrics' have their own university supplying staffers to the POTUS.
Thanks for challeging my assertion, btw, I'm coming across LOTS of surprising stuff regarding Bush's connections with Sun Myung Moon.
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svensun1 year, 8 months ago
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If Bush were a member of Robertson's church for 20 years, had given as much to Robertson as Obama has given to Wright ($27,000 one year), and called Robertson his 'personal spiritual advisor, then your concerns would FULLY JUSTIFIED.
But THAT doesn't come close to describing Bush's relationship with Robertson, as you have pointed out.
As for staffers, well, Wright has at least ONE of those who consider him their 'personal spiritual advisor' serving in the US Senate, and the fact that some want to make him President is of concern, to say the least.
When the GOP wants to make a Regent Univ. grad President, then we examine whether that person's 'personal spiritual advisor' is Pat Robertson - (was Lawrence Summers the 'personal spiritual advisor' of every Harvard student while he was in charge there? Would Harvard attendance during the Summers reign equal agreement with all his controversial remarks?)
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svensun1 year, 8 months ago
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As for the Bush connection to the Moonies, it was pointed out to me elsewhere on this site that Rev. Moon has spent $3 BILLION trying to influence policy in Washington, and the only substantive accomplishment this person, mntnman, I believe, could point to as the net result of his spending was to get Congress to enact a resolution honoring 'Parents' Day', apparently a big Moonie holiday. Said resolution was signed into law by a certain Bill Clinton, by the way.
My response to that news was that we should feel pity for Rev. Moon, spending $3 BILLION to get 'Parent's Day' recognized. Quite pitiful, if you think about it.
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