BBC - Global warming 'dips this year' »
Posted By bobo-in-texas 1 year, 3 months ago in Science & TechnologyGlobal temperatures will drop this year UN meteorologists have said. This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998.
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Dionys1 year, 3 months ago
"A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted. "
"But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average for the century.
"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming. "
You mean the Inconvenient Truth of actually reading the article and understanding that it doesn't support your global-warming-denier stance?
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Isoparm1 year, 3 months ago
As usual you are cherry-picking what you want to believe. Of course you wouldn't mention the opposing view in the article about a heating trend now would you?. It is a shifting heat balance that is a result of increased green-house gases. Heat and temperature are NOT the same thing. As to where this heat change will take us, remains to be seen. The easiest indicator of which way the balance trends, is to see whether there is a net gain, or loss of global ice mass. Decrease in ice, more heat. Increase in ice, less heat. The polar cap is shrinking, and nations are plotting new polar water-ways for ships. A large portion of ice in Antarctica is breaking-up. It's in all the news! There is a global net ice loss. Check for yourself. This is not that difficult to understand.
Where did your bias come from? Why do you ignore the obvious things to look at, and just cherry-pick items that fit your view?
If you don't understand the science, you will find others here, willing to help you.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
Let me see if I got this right.
The current down trend in global temps is a "fraction of a degree" due to El Nino. And that "fraction of a degree" is about only 7/10th of 1 degree C.
And this should not be compared to the horrors a .72 degree C. increase in global temperatures could bring.
Did math somehow dramatically chance in the last 20 years?
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quackpot1 year, 3 months ago
Did you even read the article, Wolfie?
The article says that the current cooling is TEMPORARY, due to the effects of La Nina. the article goes on to say "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
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simonsez1 year, 3 months ago
The truth will come out ... our driving is not influencing climate in any permanent fashion.
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
FTA: "When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming."
Yep, over the "pretty long period" of about 18,000 years the earth has been warming, allowing the rise of civilization and even Al Gore.
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2000Q4/211/grou...
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Isoparm1 year, 3 months ago
Where in the article did it mention 18,000 years? There has been heating AND cooling since then. The number you mentioned, is meaningless.
Why do deniers insist on mentioning Al Gore? He is not a scientist, he's just a messenger. Why not look at the science of specific, NAMED scientists, and discuss the particulars of their research. Wouldn't this make for a more intelligent discussion on the subject instead of cherry-picking articles? Let's talk physics! The science doesn't care about politics, or labels.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
I loved that episode, despite not being all that skeptical about global climate change. I consider Gore a blow-hard, it was a great episode. Did you see when Man-Bear-Pig came through the imagination doorway thing?
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Isoparm1 year, 3 months ago
Do you understand the science? Do you know the difference between heat and temperature? How about fluid dynamics?
It takes an understanding of physics, chemistry, and non-linear dynamics to have a basic understanding of what is happening. Do you think you will learn this from watching South Park?
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quackpot1 year, 3 months ago
Can we please have a bit of honesty in reporting, BoBo?
You "forget" to mention the following information from the article:
--The decade 1998 - 2007 was the warmest on record.
--The current weather is dominated by La Nina (powerful and temporary cooling of the Pacific).
--"best estimate for 2008 [is] about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century."
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bobo-in-texas1 year, 3 months ago
You need to take up the honesty in reporting with that Neocon Capitalist cabal at the BBC.
The fact is is that despite the models, warnings, the "consensus", the temps haven't risen in over 10 years. Perhaps we should reexamine the issue since the predictions are signifigantly off.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
1998 - 2007 was the warmest on record
Well yeah but how long has the 'record' been kept? What was the temp in 15 AD or 22,369 BC?
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
quackpot: "Can we please have a bit of honesty in reporting, BoBo?".
"The decade 1998 - 2007 was the warmest on record." Gee whiz, how long is that record? (no proxies please).
"The current weather is dominated by La Nina (powerful and temporary cooling of the Pacific)." Would El Nino be an equally powerful and temporary warming event?
"best estimate for 2008 [is] about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century." How about if we compared it with 1961 to the present?
Everone likes cherries quackpot.
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Dicax_Maximus1 year, 3 months ago
It's all been said before..... For my jury, when the "scientists" can ALL agree (you know, like gravity, speed of light, etc), then I'll be worried. At the moment, this is not the case.
I have no doubt that man is a very negative impact on the planet (in a multitude of ways), but on this one ??? See above....
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 3 months ago
It IS information. And Al Gore did not "dream it up". He is just the messenger for a consensus of scientists from all over the planet who have made a study and come to these conclusions.
And if believing that makes me a "nazi liberal", I guess that makes you a communist conservative. Makes as much sense.
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Isoparm1 year, 3 months ago
Judging by your comment, and a surprising number of pos's. you got, there are quite a few of you who either didn't bother to read the article, or didn't understand it.
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bluenote15221 year, 3 months ago
Go back to the mid seventies when Time magazine had many many covers on global cooling. The climate is always warming or cooling. That is called a cycle. A segment of that cycle is being defined as a trend. It is morning and the sun is rising does not mean it will continue to rise. A rooster get's conditioned to think that it creates the sunrise by it's call in the morning. He has no more affect on the sunrise than we have on global warming. Stop paying scientist to give you the results you want and they will become objective. If their next paycheck depends on there being a man made problem that is the conclusion they will try to make.
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riverat1 year, 3 months ago
Yeah-the global cooling was supposed to be short and sweet but I think we burned through it. It may be time to bring back the atom bomb tests and put a few islands worth of dust into the atmosphere-That'll cool things down. Or maybe someone can start a big volcano--worth a couple degrees.
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bluenote15221 year, 3 months ago
Dion you are deflecting. Drop the talking points stand back and think. It might hurt at first but like any unused muscle in time you will get the use of it back.
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
it is funny to me how, when one questions man-made global warming (let alone warming of any stripe), all the believers scoff and try to shout that person down as unwilling to look at any evidence, facts, etc. But, when presented with facts that don't mesh with their conclusions (flat temp trend, no increase in ocean temp), the believers just shout down those facts as bogus.
Which are really the ones that won't let anhy facts interfere with their opinions?
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jumpmaster1 year, 3 months ago
This story is really depressing. Now my carbon credits won't be worth squat.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
Or ten
Or fifteen
Or twenty
We Know it Will Happen, and when it does all you Deniers will have to eat Crow!
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THOMNH621 year, 3 months ago
now what, I have stick piled provisions for the end of the world what do I do with all that canned corn
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cantfoolme1 year, 3 months ago
So as soon as we have a dip in temperature good old BoBo desperately siezes upon this information to bolster up his rather weak argument. Sorry to disappoint you but the overall trend is definately an increase and we have made a major contribution or do you wish to ignore the vast majority of the scientific world? .... Seems you do.
Perhaps the news that hardly any new ice is forming at the poles is one of those 100% certain facts that he BoBo conveniently ignores.
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bluenote15221 year, 3 months ago
Hey cant, You are wrong on this and you will see that the climates have always cycled....always....always.
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bluenote15221 year, 3 months ago
Han,
Who is using the cycle of earth temps politically? Consensus among experts that it is manmade? WRONG. Why have you closed your mind on this? You looked like you might have been alive in the seventies. Remember the scare the other way(cooling)? Why is it not a cycle? I have a degree in Climatology and I am just amazed how this stuff is bought hook, line and sinker. It isn't a crisis. It is a cycle! Personally I prefer global warming to cooling. My heating bill is just outrageous!
Hey does anybody have trouble with propeller being sloooooooooooooooooow?
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
Propeller is so fast that it boggles my mind as I sit there waiting for it. Yawn. Oh, it just put up a new page.
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HOUSEMD1 year, 3 months ago
Some needs to tell Ted Turner, he thinks in a few years the world will end with a few that survive. Those left according to Turner will be cannibals.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE....
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