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Posted By GregD 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsCharlton Heston, who won the 1959 best actor Oscar as the chariot-racing "Ben-Hur" and portrayed Moses, Michelangelo, El Cid and other heroic figures in movie epics of the '50s and '60s, has died. He was 84.
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DeWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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TimALoftis1 year, 7 months ago
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Additional news on Mr. Heston and his death can be found here;
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/04/06/heston.de...
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avoth1 year, 7 months ago
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Truly a great actor and a great American. What happened to him shouldn't happen to anyone. Maybe, when everyone in the world wakes up and stops killing each other, we can finally devote all those resources to curing diseases like Alzheimers.
Rest in peace, Mr. Heston...you will be missed.
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texangelwings1 year, 7 months ago
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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RIP, but please! Bad (OK, mediocre) actor--and a gun-hugger.
Let's not let nostalgia for the movies of our collective youth cloud our sense of who the man actually was.
(I'm counting on those out there who think similarly to counter the, er, buckshot this post will undoubtedly receive. At least there's no argument FOR his skills as actor.)
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4mogger1 year, 7 months ago
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Poulenc--
You are entitled to your opinion.
And I am entitled to call you a slackjawed liberal.
Thanks again to Heston and all of those like him that serve the cause of freedom every day.
Heck yes he fought for gun rights! Gun rights for law abiding citizens is what guarantees all of our freedoms and our security. To all of those who have been taking those rights for granted, we all have a little more work to do to continue Heston's tireless efforts.
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avoth1 year, 7 months ago
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"And I am entitled to call you a slackjawed liberal."
I hope you'll forgive me for intruding, but did you feel better after saying this? Because I think I can pretty much guarantee that Poulenc enjoyed it immensely.
Are people who, for whatever reason, badmouth the dead (especially among those who hold the deceased in high esteem) worth our attention?
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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here's the line:
"Take your stinking paws off of me you damn dirty ape!"
according to wiki
they just played it on the news and I looked it up to see if my ears heard it right
also that is one of the all-time great movie scores, period
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUR-OdR3egU
have we ruined it, us maniacs?
thin allegory roll reversal of apes being ashamed to be descended from people, and not only does the blasphemy go unnoticed by those it was meant for, but it works wonderfully as an adventure film
great stuff
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GWHayduke1 year, 7 months ago
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A great actor, almost mythical in the way his characters are identified as Heston rather than the characters themselves.
Who else could have made a campy film such as "Planet of the Apes" a classic?
I have only good memories of Chuck. RIP.
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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My wife loved this guy. I always liked him but thought his acting rather robotic. Admired his commitment to family as well. We have lost a bit of Hollywood with his passing. Old Hollywood that is, I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for today's Hollywood.
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doppich1 year, 7 months ago
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I certainly remember him in those Biblical epics, but my favorites are his sci-fi films, Soylent Green and The Omega Man being two great ones. And I can't leave out what was possibly his final big screen appearance - near the end of Bowling for Columbine.
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Howtogo1 year, 7 months ago
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He was a great man and a great actor. He left a legacy for future actors to follow. He also was liked personally by most of his peers. There are those that did not always agree with his political views, and that is OK here in the United States.
I'm sure there any web sites like Daily Kos, Huffington Post & Move On that will make obscene statements about his life and jump with glee at his death. These people do not represent the 98% of the citizens in America, but they are loud and obnoxious; and here in America they have the right to do this until the actually obtain what they are preaching. Then they will be exterminated by the system they wished for.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Let me EXPAND on that.
The wish where martial law is declared in the United States and Blackwater confiscates EVERY gun from EVERY PERSON they encounter, like they did during Katrina, SPITTING ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
YOUR NEOCON DREAM.
NOT OURS.
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Howtogo1 year, 7 months ago
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Wow. I must have hit on a Daily KOS, Huffington Post or Move On type. You guessed part of it correctly, I do believe in the right to bear arms. I do not however believe it is honorable to try and destroy people through drive-by name smearing, and hate messaging about the dead. Like your neolibs do!
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Goppy1 year, 7 months ago
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neolibs?
Are we makin up names willy nilly now?
What in the world is a neolib?
Is this your attempt to redirect the embarrasement of NEO-CONSERVATIVES, which actually exist, and are well represented in the Bush administration?
I went to CONSERVATIVEPEDIA ... http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
and did a search for neolib, and it WASNT THERE!!
Now, we all know that when Conservatives want to know truth, we go to Conservative Pedia, (Wikipedia's alter ego).
After all, unless it specifically SAYS ... conservative ... its a vast libural conspiracy.
So PLEASE tell me what the heck is a neolib!?
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Howtogo-
If you check Rush Limbaugh, the late Reverend Jerry Falwell, L. Brent Bozell, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Reverend Pat Robertston, Michael Savage, Reverend Ted Haggard, Bill O'Reilly, Trent Lott, D'Sousa and the literally HUNDREDS of ultra-right wing radio stations, you will find even up against Air America, Al Franken, Olbermann and Pastor Wright and anyone else, NO ONE has even COME CLOSE to the hate-smears of the Neocon and Fundamentalist Christian Conservatives.
Long time readers know I would LOVE TO put up all the hate quotes by the Neocon Right again.
Want me to?
(And let's not forget FoxNews won the right to "legally" LIE, and Limbaugh openly said he lied by "not believing half the stuff I said.")
(Want to hear what Christian Identity movement thinks of black people?)
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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You can't even hear your own hate. What the conservatives talk about in the forums you talk about don't even hold a candle the the hate coming from the party of inclusion and hate speech laws. You people say the absolutely most hateful things and think it is just simple truth.
This response on a story about a man who died? Think about the context you put this post in.
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dissent1 year, 7 months ago
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you've flung mud with the best of them endo. or do you save your sunday best piety for threads on the dead?
my thoughts on heston, i never much cared for his acting, too much of that strike a pose, puff out the chest, clench the jaw and be the man sh*t going on. but he cut an heroic figure in that traditional (read fake) old world sense. that's what people will remember him for. that and his "cold dead hands" quote. not much else but that's okay, it's better than most of us who will vanish without a trace within 50-100 years after we're gone, along with anyone who remembers. i have staplers that will last longer than any of us. we all do. rip mr heston
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
"Neoliberalism is a political movement that espouses economic liberalism as a means of promoting economic development and securing political liberty"
Technically speaking :P
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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Oh, this as well:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Neoliberal
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lovemylibs1 year, 7 months ago
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The conservative Urban Dictionary lists it also:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=...
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Grancher1 year, 7 months ago
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Here is another definition of neoliberalism. From this definition I think most of our business and governing elite qualify.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/neol...
It pretty much comes down to worshiping market economics over all else, but that page says it much more clearly.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Hey hey hey! On a post a while back you, crghss, called my father and myself LIARS when I described an incident involving my father's life work (molecular spectroscopy), the DoD and lasers.
I finally tracked him down for the details. He was working for the Bureau of Standards in Maryland near Washington D.C. in the middle 1970's. Money was getting a little tight (as an ultra-conservative you should enjoy this-) at the Bureau because the post Viet Nam liberal/hippie prevailing attitude was that science was to blame for our problems and science funding was being cut! None of the scientists there liked working with the DoD much but there was money and his section chief told him to do it.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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The desired result was to develop a laser that could "punch a hole in the side of a plane." My father was working with both Mercury Oxide and "Mercury 2" (not sure what that is) laser. The Soviets said they had a military strength laser "cannon" using a different frequency. It turned out theirs didn't work at all. Neither did ours. The idea was scrapped.
You also may have seen ON FOXNEWS 3 WEEKS AGO (weeks AFTER my comment) they had a story about "LASER CANNONS" that could be fired from planes.
I would like an apology from you to my father (and me.)
Thank you.
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dissent1 year, 7 months ago
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that's three times now you've brought up Daily Kos, Huffington Post and Move On. which has me wondering why you keep wanting to bring up Daily Kos, Huffington Post and Move On. i mean you sound like you really hate Daily Kos, Huffington Post and Move On but because you've said Daily Kos, Huffington Post and Move On so many times are you sure you're not spamming? Maybe if you included their links it might look that why.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
(btw, gave ya a pos keep up the good work. check's in the mail ;)
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jakeman7771 year, 7 months ago
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i'm not sure how i feel about his death... when i was a kid, i reall loved him starring in those cool movies... but things change for me, when i heard he was a bush supporter and a gun lover... this can never be rught... especially in the us, where guns are easier to get than food... or a dental...
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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Hey kwilco, Some respect please. I wouldn't cross the street to shake hands with some of the people you admire but I would NEVER respond in such a crass way. God is watching us.
So what kinds of things do you enjoy besides protesting at soldiers funerals and enjoying the death of a great actor?
Your behavior is only tolerated because most people have a limit on what they will politicize.
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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Sane.....God is keeping score? There is a human way to act and then there isn't? Personal accountability? Choose whatever makes you act respectfully.
You get hung up on a little detail and miss the whole point.
Does this sound like something you've heard about your behavior before?
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saneman1 year, 7 months ago
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I don't get caught up in what others say unless someone makes a threat, then words become important. Otherwise, actions speak a lot louder than words. Don't get hung up on words. These guys didn't make any threats of any kind.
"Does this sound like something you've heard about your behavior before?" Nope. For me, I must follow the canon rules of professional responsibility. I could lose my license if I commit moral turpitude for example.
Your claim about "God is watching us" is hilarious, because if you are talking to first and second graders, Great!, but I cannot imagine that would have much influence on the older more intelligent person.
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saneman1 year, 7 months ago
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Thanks Einstein. Now go out and try to invent something useful. I can guarantee that you couldn't even invent a pencil without an eraser. I have a box of rocks which has a much higher IQ than yours. Now go believe in your tooth fairy, moron. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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How did you digress to this? Invent? You lost me. You have a box of rocks that is smarter than my box of rocks?...........Okay. Pencils with erasures are almost standard so that would be the better invention, right?
Wait are your real ideas encrypted and I am missing it? That must be it.
Tooth fairy and moron...let me think...............
Nope, I'm not following.
But whatever it is it seems to make you roll on the floor in hysterics. That is some kind of clue, huh?
You're on fire and this is code for please help me?
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saneman1 year, 7 months ago
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Doesn't surprise me any!!! I don't try to help clueless people who do nothing but take up realtime space and graze like sheep in a pasture. I am sorry I got into a conversation with someone who doesn't know if he's coming or going and has to rely on one's own imagination, because it is quite obvious religious people don't have much going on between their ears. End of discussion.
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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I am agnostic. See how I respond diectly on the subjects you mention. Anyone who reads this is not gonna give you very high debating points. Anyway I got you off the dancing on graves thing that started this. I am off to graze in my clueless pasture.
Peace to you and yours, Blue
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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So now you think you know me? I will discuss point to point any subject you like but a blanket dismisal of me for my ideas doesn't really help me understand you. What part of kwilco dancing on graves that I merely pointed out offended you few. I said he had the right to do it. Most would disagree with the action and treat it accordingly. It is not intellectually or morally the higher ground.
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KYRed1 year, 7 months ago
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Heston was certainly a dynamic actor, however I often thought his performances were a little bit too hammy. But I enjoyed them just the same. As for his politics, I think anyone who understands the nature of the birth of the USA would respect and fully support the 2nd amendment, no matter if that person be on the left, the right or anywhere in between.
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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It's good to see most Americans still show their respect for the passing of a good American. He was one of the last of Hollywood stars that displayed integrity in both his words and actions.
There are a few crespie and kwilco types out there that respect nothing and complain about everything, but not enough to matter.
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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It astounds me that people can believe that once dead, a person is no longer fair game for criticism, as if death erased reputation. One can laud a person after his or her death, but not decry their actions post-mortem? Excuse me?
Also, Mr. Heston did the politicizing, not posters to this site.
Cat: "Heston's portrayal of Moses was outstanding..." Yes, it was absolutely true-to-life! An amazing portrait of the guy! Moses in the flesh!
"The Ten Commandments" has its moments as an example of C. B. DeMille untethered, but let's not confuse it or Mr. Heston's performance in it as anything but (sometimes amusing) kitsch.
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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Poul, There is a time and place. If this is the behavior you would display if we were all in a room talking about Charlton Heston's passing you should expect to get shunned. You make an intelligent argument by picking an appropriate time. If Jane Fonda passed away I could not imagine using that forum to get politcal. People are not all good or all bad. It might make it easier to focus your hate to think they are but it just isn't rational. So lighten up.
I can't believe some folks.
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dissent1 year, 7 months ago
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you have got to be kidding me. you're talking about him as if we were all closely and personally involved with the man. get a grip! you never knew the man and he never knew you. if you want to lay wreaths on this thread and put on your pallbearer face, fine, that's your thing. but the man and his life are fair game and open for discussion without your petty taboos and calling others to social order
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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Oh cool then I Guess when Hillary, WIllie or Obama die in the future you'll be ok with us basihing them before they cool to room temp?
What about the one's that were gleeful in the past when MLK or JFK or RK were shot to the ground? Hey those people had an axe to grind about those folks 'policies' were you ok when they passed on the 'petty' taboos of respect of social order?
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Sorry, Simon! "The Ten Commandments" is a cinema milestone! Well, actually it IS of a kind, but not quite the sort I think you think it is.
By the way, Gore Vidal (have I just lost a majority of you?) tells a wonderful story on Chuck. Seems the former with W. Wyler, screen writer and director respectively of "Ben-Hur," had decided that a gay subtext was just the thing to get some juice into the early scenes between Heston and rival Messala, played by Stephen Boyd.
They told Boyd, but purposefully withheld the interpretation from Heston, knowing that he it would scandalize him.....
(cont.)
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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(cont.)
....As the imbd post then has it:
"After Vidal admitted to adding the homosexual subtext in public, Heston denied the claim, going so far as to suggest Vidal had little input into the final script, and his lack of screen credit was a result of his being fired for trying to add gay innuendo. Vidal rebutted by citing passages from Heston's 1978 autobiography, where the actor admitted that Vidal had authored much of the final shooting script."
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Blue, this is a forum dedicated to opinion, not the antechamber of a funeral parlour.
Were Heston's relatives around and within earshot (and despite Propeller's popularity, I dare say that they aren't and/or don't care), I'd hold my tongue.
But....
And why do you assume I'd consider J. Fonda's death sacrocanct?
In the end, as you say, there's good and bad in everybody. (I'd also add that the famous, alive or dead, rather "forfeit" a measure of protection from barbed comments. It's one price they pay for allowing themselves to be, in part, public property.)
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bluenote15221 year, 7 months ago
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Poul, This a place to exchange ideas, with challenging thought provoking interaction. I'm not saying you don't have the right, I was just trying to point out what I think is a respectful way to converse. Dancing on graves is a bit odd to most but you have the right to do it. Just not sure the point your are making. And I was using Fonda as an example of someone I don't agree with, not who you endorse. I can't believe you read what I write and get stuck on the example and don't get the idea.
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shead1 year, 7 months ago
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Charlton Heston.. he was the dude.
Omega Man, Soylent Green, Earthquake, the Big Country. Loved 'em; well, maybe not so much Omega Man, but it has it's cool parts.
Earthquake is really one to see if you haven't seen it in a while. Saw it in 70mm last summer. It pretty much kicks ass.
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