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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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This article should be on the front page!
None of the conservatives will ever be willing to read it though.
Jeremiah Wright was a true Patriot!!
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Goppy1 year, 7 months ago
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Its liek this Oniony, we Conservatives dont need to read.
We FEEL!!
We have PASSION!
We STAND for stuff!!
Course, it seems liek all the Stuff we Feel Passionate about is kinda ugly.
But hey, ever Sunday, we aske for forgiveness and then we start all over on Monday with the ugly.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Except for the fact that liberals are the ones who vote with their feelings as opposed to using rational thought. Just watch any debate if you want to see evidence of this. After a conervative debate the panel will tell you why they think ____ would make a good president. However, you turn the channel and watch a democrat debate and you see these morons saying things like "I feel like BO was talking only to me, that's why I like him".
This article is trash and nothing more. I am also not surprised that you haters liked it.
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quackpot1 year, 7 months ago
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Speaking of poor logic, tanglang.
Will you try to explain how your assertion about political debates has any relationship to your conclusion about the article's worth?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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It wasin response to the bigot and his friends above as they were talking about how conservatives don't need to read because "they feel" and "stand for stuff".
Do try and keep up.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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" After a conervative debate the panel will tell you why they think ____ would make a good president."
ROFLMAO, Tangy you don't even realize when you post things that continue to support what everyone already knows about the righties. They need to be told who is a good candidate because they can't figure it out for themselves.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Dunny, notice that I said conservatives *think* before deciding which way to vote. Unlike the libs at the debates who feel that candidates are speaking directly to them and even though they cannot name one thing that person has done or will do, they will still support them because of their feelings.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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Ummm Tangy read the part that was highlighted. ROFLMAO, the thinking seems to be already done for them since they need to be told WHO would make a good president, definetly seems like they cant figure it out for themselves and electing Dumya twice sure does offer proof in that area.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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I really don't think you are following me here dunny. I never once said anything about anyone telling us who to vote for. I was using the example of the groups of voters that networks use to determine how the debate is going as it is happening. For some stupid reason you took that as me saying that we need to be told who to vote for but did not make the same conclusion about the dems who I mentioned do the same thing.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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TANGLANG:
"liberals are the ones who vote with their feelings as opposed to using rational thought."
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. In general, it is Republicans who tend to emotionalize elections and Democrats who tend to intellectualize them.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/...
"Therein lies a fundamental difference between Democrats, who tend to intellectualize elections, and Republicans, who like to emotionalize them."
In fact, Republicans often choose their candidate, not based on issues, but on who they'd rather have a beer with. That's how Bush won in 2000 and 2004.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/...
"A Zogby Poll found that 57% would rather have a beer with Bush, despite his many problems, than with Kerry."
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Not true. I wouldn't care to drink with McCain. In any case, the purpose of that question wasn't to determine for whom you would vote. It was a trivial question.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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DROP:
"Not true. I wouldn't care to drink with McCain. In any case, the purpose of that question wasn't to determine for whom you would vote. It was a trivial question."
Do you have actual evidence to support your rebuttal, or am I supposed to accept your argument simply because you said so?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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You made the assertion. You prove it. Do you have evidence that people voted on that basis or are you just grasping for straws to make a political point?
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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DROP:
"You made the assertion. You prove it."
You mean aside from the two sources I already cited? LOL. Where is your evidence? Oh, that's right. I forgot. It's your MO not to provide any.
This very exchange only further supports my argument. My post was accompanied by two pieces of supporting evidence (Democrats tend to intellectualize), and yours was accompanied by nothing (Republicans tend to emotionalize).
LOL.
By the way, you might want to check your facts. I didn't initially make this assertion; I was merely refuting the assertion TANGLANG initially made.
Pathetic.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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TANGLANG:
"YOU calling an opinion piece a "source" to back up your claim!"
A poll conducted by Zogby -- one of the most respected polling companies in the world -- can hardly be dismissed as an "opinion piece." It's laughable you would attack my sources, particularly one as credible as Zogby, without presenting ANY evidence of your own.
LOL. How typically neocon of you.
PATHETIC.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Zogby could never be wrong, right? Funny. In any case, no one takes a beer poll seriously, even the pollster. You'll have to do better than that.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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DROP:
"In any case, no one takes a beer poll seriously, even the pollster."
Actually, it was a "likability" poll, not a "beer poll." The beer question was just one of the several questions posed by this poll.
Still no evidence of your own to present? LOL
How expected. "You'll have to do better than that." LOL.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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LOL. I should have known you are too lazy and too inept to actually support your unsubstantiated arguments with evidence.
What else would I expect from an undereducated neocon? LOL
Pathetic.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually no. Dems are all emotion. You might want to check your facts, you were making an assertion. The candidate with whom you'd most like to have a beer poll has been duplicated again and again. It's meaningless trivia.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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DROP:
"You might want to check your facts"
Those are strong words coming from someone who has yet to post a SINGLE piece of supporting documentation.
LOL.
How expected.
Pathetic.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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Ohhhhh you can read!
You're making progress.
Now try reading for meaning!
HERE'S THE MEANING:
YOU SEE McCAIN IS ELDERLY (that means over 65 years old)
THE ELDERLY CANNOT DRINK MUCH BECAUSE THEY TIRE EASILY
(no, that doesn't mean turn into rubber, it means get tired)
SO IT WAS A JOKE..
Sorry if one missed vowel throws all those with A-D-D off,
but that must be why you love Bush so much. He's your poster child for not being able to follow a conversation.
Got it now??
A joke??
Lost your sense of humor..
Sorry we can't help you!
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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What I find very funny is that you once again post somebody elses opinion to try and prove your point. Probably because you cannot think for yourself.
((("A Zogby Poll found that 57% would rather have a beer with Bush, despite his many problems, than with Kerry.")))
Well no sht sherlock! Kerry is a douchebag. At least W speaks his mind. I bet he's a cool guy when you get to know him. Kerry is just political arm candy for his wife.
As for the poll itself, it in no way proves anything. All it says is that more people think Bush would be more fun to drink with than Mr Potato head.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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TANGLANG:
"What I find very funny is that you once again post somebody elses opinion to try and prove your point. Probably because you cannot think for yourself."
LOL.
It's laughable that you're too obtuse to realize how this very post only further proves my argument. My post was dispassionate and void of ad hominems. Instead, I simply refuted your original assertion that liberals are emotional, irrational creatures. I even provided two different pieces of documentation as counter-evidence. I was, in effect, intellectualizing the debate with dispassionate discourse and documented data.
And what do you respond with? No counter-evidence of your own. No dispassionate discourse. All you have to offer is a post filled with ad hominems. By stooping to this level, you have emotionalized the debate and have only further proved argument --
Democrats tend to intellectualize; Republicans, emotionalize. Time for you to go back to school.
Class dismissed.
Pathetic.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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"And what do you respond with? No counter-evidence of your own. No dispassionate discourse. All you have to offer is a post filled with ad hominems."
What are you new? The links you posted were crap. There was nothing to refute. Just someone elses opinion. That's why I laughed them off.
"Time for you to go back to school.
Class dismissed."
Well which is it? Time for me to go to school, or is class dismissed?
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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TANGLANG:
"The links you posted were crap. There was nothing to refute. Just someone elses opinion. That's why I laughed them off."
Actually, you laughed them off because you knew you had ZERO counter-evidence to present. Only an undereducated fool, like yourself, would so easily dismiss a poll by an internationally-recognized polling firm like Zogby International as "crap."
LOL. Then again, facts were never your forte. It's laughable that even in the face of documented evidence you lack the intellectual capacity to muster ANYTHING that resembles a coherent, data-supported response.
TANGLANG:
"Well which is it? Time for me to go to school, or is class dismissed?"
One class does not a graduate make.
LOL. It seems like all those drugs you did in your youth must have done some permanent damage.
Pathetic.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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One question Tanglang. Did you vote for bush, i will give you a pass the first time did you vote for him the second time?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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I wish I could see your face as you read this, but I only voted for Bush once. In 2004! Back in 2000 I voted for the guy who LOST! Otherwise known as Al Gore. It was not until shortly after the election and my 21st birthday that I sobered up and decided to become a productive member of society as opposed to the pothead liberal dropout that I had been for so long.
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m-simon1 year, 7 months ago
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Hey guys. I hate to break the news but you are not running against Bush. You are running against a war hero.
What you got? Obama ever do service? Hillary spend time in the military?
But hey keep Wright to the front. Make sure he is not forgotten.
McCain will love it. So will I.
G D AmeriKKKa. Great campaign slogan!
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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M. Simon,
Bill said hillary tried to enlist during the 70's but her eyesight was too bad. For someone with such bad eyesight, she sure is good at spottin snipers that no one else can see!
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icono11 year, 7 months ago
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It's amazing how one's eyesight can improve when being shot at.
But in the Hilldabeast's case it was all a fantasy story. It did sound good but then it wasn't true.
Maybe instead of playing fantasy football online she plays fantasy GI in her mind.
Hummmm.....I wonder if Bill knows about this; sounds sorta kinky in a psycho-subversive way.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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OK. We'll keep a war hero, a preacher, and a man who's fought discrimination, poverty & social injustice for decades.
He may not have been politically correct or expedient, but many - Dems, Reps & Independents - have condemned America for many of its activities or lack thereof.
What's worse:
- Condemning the US for its past & ongoing racism, support of despots, & overthrowing of democratic governments around the world & over the years, or
- Basically condoning terrorist attacks & natural disasters on the US, costing thousands of lives, because of the US's "secularism"; calling over 50% of the electorate traitors, unpatriotic & aiding & abetting terrorists because we disagree w/this administration; etc?
McCain: I'll cave on torture because Rove told me to.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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I am a productive member of society and I finished school and have my own business. Maybe you were a pothead because well you just were. I hope you don't think libs are the only ones that drop out, thy the VP and rove he went to five different colleges and still haven't gotten a degree. I digress, my point was that you are in no position to make your previous comments if you voted for bush the second time around. it was a bone headed thing to do!
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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This from a group who voted for W because they FELT they could have a beer with him.
And from a group that tried to tell us all that W actually won debates he had w/Gore OR Kerry.
Right. We believe you.
But, for some reason, I FEEL like you're wrong.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Yeay. Remember him? He was the one that actually knew what he was talking about during the 2000 Presidential General Election.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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I don't remember it that way. If that's true, why does he sound like such an idiot and propagandist now?
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Because you dismiss everything he says simply because he's Al Gore.
In the 2k debates, he had facts at his fingertips. All W had was his easy-going, non-committal responses to everything. And the spinners would have us all believe W won.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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I guess that's on par w/the FACTS as George W Bush knows them. For a list of those "Facts," look over the last 7 years for the misrepresentations, self-contradictions, twistings of truth, outright lies & just plain illiterate, ignorant rantings.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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So tanglang, you "feel" like there are haters here?|
Isn't that what they call a circular argument?
Or are you just a pit bull chasing its tail??
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Well smart guy, if you read the comments posted you will notice how hate filled they are. Which is the norm for this group. And also why we know them as haters.
It has nothing to do with feelings. Rather it's the ability to reason.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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You have just stated that the norm for this group is hate.
The only thing they should hate is your stupidity, but time after time they tolerate it, even though you keep coming back for more.
Your ability to reason has been gone, and pretending to be a conservative doesn't negate the PERMANENT damage that pot does to your brain.. Thanks for the explanation.
You further go on to say as "WE know them as haters" and you still don't realize that you are in a very small minority here.
WE can't play into you delusions, so just positive and negatives and THAT will tell you who the "WE" is here and who really "hates" the youth of our country so much that you still support sending them off to their early deaths and destroying their families. THAT is beyond hate, it is blind contempt... You just don't get it..Braincells gone!
NO ability to reason. Grow up, grow a conscience.
Live in the real world for a few years.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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???!!! Are you kidding me? Do you seriously think that the reason our gov't is sending soldiers who volunteered to go to war, to war is because they hate them?
Talk about needing to grow up and live in the real world.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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Ahhhh, no.
We don't send them there because we hate them, we send them there with no plan or appropriate armor or decent hospitals
to return to because we "hate" meeting our responsibilities or being held accountable for our deficiencies and THEY pay for it... Better?
We don;t hate them, we just don't respect them enough to tell them the truth or fully honor our commitment to decent treatment... Waving a flag and singing anthems at them was what destroyed Rome..
We've already gone through 9 Generals, 4 Admirals, a Bremer
and 2 Secretaries of Defense and they're still getting blown up and have no idea what "winning is"..THAT is disrespectful
and the worst thing we can ever do to our troops.
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Niimki1 year, 7 months ago
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C'mon man...you don't wait until Monday to do ugly stuff. Your probably working on your second six pack, smacking the wife around and abusin the kids by Sunday afternoon....
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aceofspades11 year, 7 months ago
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"This is one article no one in the GOP will read."
How many of the commentators here have read this article?
So JW was in the military 47 years ago? so what?
If the fact that he meritoriously served forgives him of anything he has said since, then there is something seriously wrong with the reasoning.
The same people who cite this service as a free ride to denigrate our country from the pulpit should deify John McCain (which I don't) because of his service & imprisonment by the Viet Cong.
The Rev. Wright can swing his arms above his head as he preaches his message of hate, McCain can't lift his arm because of the torture he endured.
I don't support McCain nor Obama in their bids for the presidency & I certainly don't condone Jerimiah Wright.
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aceofspades11 year, 7 months ago
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I don't support McCain nor Obama in their bids for the presidency & I certainly don't condone Jerimiah Wright.
I feel the cause of liberalism is hurt by people who blindly follow the words of the radicals such as St.Clair & Cockburn the same way the right wing cons blindly follow the unsubstantiated rantings of those like Rush Limburger
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aceofspades11 year, 7 months ago
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N2N - a neg from you is an affirmation that I am right - the same as a neg from someone like Wolfie when he thinks its too far to the laft
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree..For me this article points out that Obama does not
presently have the right people around him (advisors) who
are capable of having him make public declarations of clarity.
The fact that he mentioned few of the facts in this article on behalf of Rev. Wright, knowing that Rev. Wright has devoted his own life to America when others cowardly walked or ran away, makes me wonder if Obama is well suited for leadership.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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The Republican have been using the pulpit to force their "holier than thou" agenda on the dumb folks down south (mostly)
for 30 years strong..
I would know, I am a former active Republican.
They have no conscience and no courage unless it involves risking the lives of someone else's kids??
By the way, how's that "Reagan brought Russia to their knees
concept going?"
They are more of a real threat now than they have been since the Cuban Missile Crisis..
Good thing we armed the Taliban against them...
OOPS!
This is what happens when we let cowboys be president.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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Lordy I hate repeating myself...Bush is a private school, Yalie, fratboy cheerleader turned carpet bagger, whose family home is Kennebunkport, MAINE. All we know about Maine in Texas is that it is buried under the snow somewhere to the north of New Yawk. Never heard of cowboys from up there. Can you lasso and brand a lobster?
For the zillionth time, Bush IS NOT a cowboy!! Calling him one is a grave insult to generations of real cowboys. He is all hat and no cattle (though he does have a nice hat).
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Have you listened Jeremiah Wright's sermons in their entirety? Have you listened to any of his other sermons preached over a period of roughly 30 years?
What gives you the right to judge him based on a handful of cherry picked comments and give NO weight to anything else?
Rev. Wright has said nothing more or less than many other preachers and prophets have said across the years and centuries. As usual, a true prophet is rejected and disrespected by the masses. There is a thin line between love and hate - you deem his words hateful; I deem them painfully truthful and biblical. Only history will prove one of us right.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes I do. But even if he isn't he has only said what others that are given much respect in the mainstream have also said, just in different words.
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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What gives you the right to judge him based on a handful of cherry picked comments and give NO weight to anything else?
Tren Lott?
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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"The same people who cite this service as a free ride to denigrate our country from the pulpit"
Perhaps it is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_...
or those type of things that this country has done to the former slaves that he hates.
I think Obama has the ability to put things in perspective, unlike the shrills who keep up hate baiting.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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I know about this study. I've also got news for you. It was discontinued many, many decades ago.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Yes, but it is still a very ugly chapter in recent race relations, as was COINTELPRO. There is still institutionalized racism. Saying the indignation of certain elements of the black community is unjustified smacks of turning a blind eye.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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The point is that it doesn't reflect current government policy or even acceptable modern research ethics. In short, this couldn't happen today.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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The same sort of thing DOES happen today! For the same injury or illness, a black patient is less likely to be given pain medications than a white patient, even though white patients are MORE LIKELY to abuse or become addicted to such meds. For similar crimes and circumstances, a black person is likely to get a harsher sentence than a white person. Killing a white person is more likely to get you the death sentence than killing a black person.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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You haven't provided any data on medical care. In any case, none of these examples are analygous to purposely allowing someone to live with untreated syphillis. It doesn't happen now. As for black on black crime and sentences given to blacks, those are different issues unrelated to clinical ethics.
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 7 months ago
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Rev Jeremia Wright was 31 when the Tuskegee experiment ended.
I was no longer a virgin.
Is 3.6 "many,many" decades?
1972
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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That just proves that you're an old fart. Today's clinical ethics would never permit that kind of experiment.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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I am a registered Republican. I read the article. And I find this article proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the racist hatred YOU PEOPLE said Wright experienced, and that YOU PEOPLE offered as an excuse for his racist hatred, is an abject frikkin lie.
THE REV. WRIGHT, HAVING PROVED HIMSELF IN A WHITE MAN'S WORLD, HAVING EARNED THE RESPECT OF WHITE SUPERIORS, STARED THAT SUCCESS IN THE EYE AND DELIBERATELY CHOSE HATE INSTEAD.
Thank you for the article. We could not have made the point better or more clear ourselves.
Oh...and kudos for missing your own point. Que the MasterCard commercial.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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I think you need to read Tangy's comment above. SOmeone needs to explain to you what it is you've read.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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You are missing two critical things in your assessment:
(1) Rev. Wright succeeded in spite of the rampant racism of his time, which is a testimony to God's mercy, and the Reverend's determination and endurance.
(2) The Bible teaches that when one part of the body suffers, the entire body suffers. Rev. Wright is not a self-centered, I got mine and you get yours the best way you can kind of personality. He understands that his people and others were and are suffering under an oppressive government that hides its agression and transgressions under a facade of freedom and democracy.
We really could be what we claim to be, but we are not there yet, not by a long shot!
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Well, Jesus was no Capitalist after all...
Matthew 19:23-24, Mark 10:24-25 and Luke 18:24-25.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Sure he was. He recruited disciples who were busy working when he approached them. He emphasized the concept of personal responsibility. Jesus teachings are compatible with the market.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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I find it tiresome that for some:
Anyone with any inkling of social compassion/consciousness is a 'Marxist'.
Anything less than full-bore laissez-faire Capitalism is 'Communism'.
Anyone not constantly shaking their red, white and blue pompons is 'anti-American'.
Anyone who points out racial injustice is a 'hater'.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Anyone who favors government ownership of the means of production is influenced by Marxist thought and that cannot be denied...sorry.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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I support Conservativism and when the Republicans don't act accordingly, I don't support those decisions. For example, if the federal government nationalizes banks, I will oppose that move.
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 7 months ago
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What would you consider the SPR?
It looks to me like a nationalized bank holding a commodity similar to gold.
Does it give you pause that the industry is trading in it instead of paying royalties in fiat capitol?
Just curios.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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Number one, the OT & NT is for believers, not the secular world. Please review the alleged liberal view of separation of church and state, then get back to us.
Number two, the verses about the body suffering refers only to the body of believers, not to general nameless, faceless victims somewhere at some time who may or may not have been victims of racism and who may or may not be Christian.
Merely because a segment of the minority population chooses to wallow in victimhood does not in itself impute guilt to governmental authority. As someone has quite aptly said, "If everyone is a victim, then no one is a victim."
It's YOUR argument and sermons like Rev. Wright's that are an injustice to those who have truly, directly, and horrifically suffered the brunt of racism in this country.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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''Number one, the OT & NT is for believers, not the secular world.''
thanks for the chuckle
of course it isn't for the secular world, that's why Jesus never preached to the Gentiles and sent his disciples only to other Jews. That's why there are no gideon bibles in motel rooms and no missionaries in Africa. That's why the bible isn't published very much and there aren't many around. Thank God the bible isn't for the secular world, or people would go door to door talking to secularists about it.
Guess what, as far as Christianity, the whole world was the secular world when JC came around.
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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So why does Rev. Wright live in a gated white community? And not in the 'hood??
CUZ Da MAN is holding him down?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Isn't BO one of those "rich white men" that are holding the black man down as the 'rev' wright put it?
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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I'm with the GOP and I did, who cares. Why is it only when it benefits a Dem, military records matter. I'm a vet. When Billy ran against Bush 41 (fighter bomber pilot, shot down 3 times) or Dole(Two Purple Hearts for his injuries, and the Bronze Star with combat "V" for valor for his attempt to assist a downed radio man.), didn't matter. But when Bush ran against Kerry and Gore it was a big deal, even when Bush was in the reserve. Now you see McCain (Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross), but we seem to forget that only to talk about a medic who is now a black racist.
I am confused by his 2 year hitch in the Marines. Marines sign up for 3 years. Why only 2 years, was there an Article 15?
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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Billy, George nor Dole sent 160,000 young Americans off to be sitting ducks with no plan to return them safely, did they??
Use some logic, will ya??
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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I wouldn't want to go hunting those ducks. Seems like the kill ratios show many more hunters than ducks being killed.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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Of course, by the gutless idiot count we're winning.
let's stay there 35 more years so we can kill another 300,000
of them thar hunters, we'll only lose a measly
35,000 of our own...
Go send your kids!
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Of course, by the cowardly Libbot count, we are losing. I guess it makes sense to you if you know nothing about military history.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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Oh..You got yourself there.
You see Colin Powell knows a little about the military, and so do the 8 generals who resigned, and the 3 Admirals who resigned..but please..do tell..I'm sure you know more than any of them!
Your response is stupid and with that kind of response we can all see that you blindly support killing more Americans when the entire rest of the world is realizing that this is neverending and stubbornly clung on to at the expense of more young Amnerican lives..
How can you sleep at night?
The only answer is that the dumb have no conscience because they don't realize what an intelligent person who uses thought should believe. Try thinking for once, instead of spending all of your time defending the bad guys. It might open up your narrow mind and make you realize what a mess we're in. THAT would be the first step to helping us solve it, instead of being a living example of why we aren't learning anything. Ariana got it, and she's a foreigner.
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 7 months ago
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OOPs I thought you where talking about this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/15/polit...
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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BB64 - You like the rest of the GOPers are missing the point. This post is here to show that Rev Wright is a true American unlike what is being said in the media, it's intent is not to say that anyone else isn't as much an American!
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nightschase1 year, 7 months ago
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No, a true American doesn't blindly follow and trust an administration that has consistently hurt America's economy, world reputation, and health status.
A true American is one who always questions authority in concerns to the citizen and not the government. Our nation was founded by those who questioned authority and ethics for the benefit of the common man.
Further more, Bush has done little for AIDS policies:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/develop/oda...
Anyone who says Bush has benefited black people is a fool. Bush's tax cuts hurt inner city residents the most while favoring corporations. New Orleans is still a mess, with trailer shortages, insufficient reconstruction funds, not to mention it took Bush four days to even get down there, while it took him a day max to arrive in california during the fires. Bush doesn't mind black people drowning, but as soon as white people start to burn, he's there in a jiffy!
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Nola is still a mess becuase a black racist runs the city. Conincidentally, that is the same reason the city was in such ruins after the hurricane.
Maybe the response in Cali was faster because the local leaders did their job and took action? Maybe they knew that since they were not able to use the race card to cover up for their shortcomings they had better take control of the situation? Maybe you should educate yourself in the matter?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Libs, You are very correct. And no true American would ever shout "GD AmeriKKKa!".
Then again, in my opinion, no true American would defend his words or try to make excuses for them either.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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I have news for you, They may have!Utopia is not real my friends, if you knew the things this government has done you would shut up and hide in the hole you came out of. A true American would want better from our government ant would call them on what they are doing wrong it's and enabler that would get ******ed if a real person stand up and say what you are doing is wrong ala Martin Luther King! Our Government does wrong, IN MY EYES IT"S NOT UN-AMERICAN TO SAY THEY ARE WRONG, HOWEVER IT IS UN-AMERICAN NOT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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blackacereturn:
How is Wright being an American the point? We never questioned his citizenship. Indeed, his citizenship makes his words all the worse.
We note with interest that millions of Mexicans over the past several decades have made America their adopted home. Cubans and Haitians risk their lives to get here.
If there were a shred of truth to the filth spewing from Wright's pie hole, there is and would long have been a mass exodus of blacks from this country.
Go ahead...name the country that blacks in this country would be better of living in. Then go to this web site and call the airline of your choice: http://www.tollfreeairline.com/
Don't let the door hitcha...
Of course you can always stay here and acknowledge the self-evident. As Thomas Sowell says, "Reality is not optional."
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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I agree Wright is as off-base on his AIDS comments as Robertson, Fallwell and their ilk are off-base on their 911, AIDS and Katrina comments.
Regarding 911, Wright never said America was 'complicit' in 911, i.e. that the administration knew it was going to happen and let it, or worse participated in it. What he was saying is that 911 was a consequence of our foreign policy.
As far as 'Patriotism' goes, perhaps you should look at McCain's voting record when it comes to caring for veterans.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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Tangent:
Again, Falwell recanted his 9/11 comments within a month of speaking them.
Get back to us when Wright comes out of hiding to renounce his racist hatred.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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"Wright is a wind bag, but idiotic liberals love wind bags lol."
That's why I'm WILD about you, libsRfunny!!
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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Ah you know I'm proud that he served, goodonem.
However, all the good things one has done in a life can be dashed if you turn against your country.
Benedict Arnold comes to mind,,,,,,,, Politicians that have served well but then were caught in 'affairs,,,, hanging in rest rooms,,,,, hiding bribes in freezers,,,,,,,, making a joke about Strom Thurman's career.
All the good things one does can be dashed with one act, one statement, or 20 years of holding one's country in contempt and not being smart enough to know that your 'word's may well come to roost for you and those that sat idly by and didn't tell you to mind your words of hate.
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Aidenag1 year, 7 months ago
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Here is the picture of Jeremiah Wright as a Marine Medic Tending to Pres Lyndon Johnson. Who awarded him 3 presidential commendations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jeremiah_Wri...
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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That's fine but he's not a Marine medic. He's a Navy corpsmen. There are no medics in the Marines.
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icono11 year, 7 months ago
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I was a Navy corpsman, assigned by the Navy Dept/DOD, to the Marine corps (To note; the US Marine Corp is a very distinguished sub-group/unit of the US Navy just like the Green Berets are a very distinguished sub-group/unit of the Army.) and to my knowledge there was not a MOS for a Marine Corp medic.
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icono11 year, 7 months ago
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A correction to ..."and to my knowledge there was not a MOS for a Marine Corp medic."
It should read... "and to my knowledge there was not a MOS for a Marine Corp recruit or USMC personnel to become a medic." To do that, the Marine would have to legally 'switch' his enlistment to the Navy and go to one of the NAVY CORPS schools.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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I read the article. Serving in the military doesn't give you a pass to say anything you want, regardless of how ignorant or racist. Using that criteria, Hitler was justified in his bigoted rants, since he was a decorated WWI veteran. A man is still responsible for his conduct, regardless of his military service. If you Libs really feel this way about the value of meritorious military service, let Duke Cunningham out of prison!
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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You remember that when you give credence to John McCain, who can't even remember who's who in Iraq!
Duke Cunningham is a criminal. Rev. Wright is a minister of God.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Being a criminal hasn't hurt "Cold Cash" Jefferson so far and he got caught with more money than Cunningham. Nice double standard. You Dems should be getting used to candidates who misspeak, whether its Hildabeast and Bosnia or Obama when he said that ethnic cleansing is "...a positive thing."
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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"You Dems should be getting used to candidates who misspeak,"
Yeah did we ever find those weapons factories on actual WMD that Cheney and Dumya said were in Iraq? Ya know the ones they said they KNEW where they were? Oh yeah I forgot when the troops invaded those places where among the last to be secured.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Ah, another irrelevant aside. Feel free to go to Damascus and see how much of it is there. Anyhow, back to the subject...
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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ROFLMAO, irrelevant asside? ROFLOMAO< you talk about candidates who misspeak and we have a prime example of one in Dumya AND from your last comment about going to Damascus it appears you have swallowed it hook line and sinker. ROFLMAO, or are you really saying that Dumya screwed the pooch again after identifying where all the material was kept he let it go unscathed to Syria?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Are you really pretending to know? I didn't get that from the President. Common sense indicates that anything could have crossed the open border with Syria during the time prior to U.S. control over the entire country. I guess you forgot that Saddam's own brother was captured after returning from Syria, so clearly, there was a great deal of movement across that border in the war's early days.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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Common sense says that whatever may have been sent across the border, it wasn't WMDs. Only an idiot would give credence to the theory that a military leader would ship his most potent weapons off the battlefield in a fight for his life.
If a powerful foreign army was closing fast on Wahington, DC, would you send all our tactical nukes to Mexico City?
LOL!!!
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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Ummmm I suspect he probably would. Gotta keep em safe to defend the nation. Dooouuuuuuuuh.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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If I were conducting a weapons program in violation of UN sanctions, sure. Remember Saddam sending planes to Iran during the First Gulf War? He even buried part of his airforce in the desert. There is historical precedent for the concealment of weapons.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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ROFLMAO, seems Dumya had 24 hour surveillance over the area, or at least what he told everyone. His prime intent on going in was to stop the proliferation of WMD and according to you Saddam managed to slip those VAST amounts that Cheney and Dumya said he had completely undetected across the border into Syria which miraculously hasn't been distributing them at all to terrorists. AND then after sending in special squads to hunt for the weapons they found NO trace of any manufacturing or storage of the weapons. SO a third rate nation cleans up toxic chemicals better then we do while facing an invasion. NOT to mention sending weap0ons he needs to fight a strategically better armed and trained force out of the country. ROFLMAO.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Saddam's brother made it across the border. Weapons keep flowing from Syria to this day. Why couldn't something move the other way?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Please try to keep up with me. I was pointing out the fallacy of using a military record to justify anything else one says or does the rest of one's life.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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>>I was pointing out the fallacy of using a military record to justify anything else one says or does the rest of one's life.
But being AWOL from the National Guard gives W a free pass to say anything. Right?
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Discredited to only those who want it to be discredited.
When no records show his service, and when he actually admitted that his CO told him not to go but he went anyway, that's called AWOL.
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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There is no fallacy in pointing out the mans record of service to his country. The Consitution he fought for gives him the right to speak his mind.
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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The fallacy is yours. They did not use his military record to justify what he said. They used his miltary record to point out that he is indeed a partiot.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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So anything he has said since then, regardless of how ill-educated or bigoted is ok. He is indeed a Marxist traitor.
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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factories on actual WMD
I think they are just down the streeet from the place Clinton bombed
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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Because the Bush Administration lied about the WMD that Saddam had.
Here's one from Rummy
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. - Dick Cheney, speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there. - Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Jan. 9, 2003
But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. - Ari Fleischer, press briefing, April 10, 2003
That is what this war was about
That is what this war was about
That is what this war was about
That is what this war was about
That is what this war was about
WMD. And it was a lie. Hundreds of thousands have die.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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THAT was what the war was about?!? Dang, I thought it was to free the Iraqi's from a ruthless dictator... No wait, it was because Saddam supported terrorists... hmmm.. no, it was to spread democracy in the middle east wasn't it?... oh darn, there were so many I forgot. The last one (at least I think it was) is pretty catchy though, "If we don't fight them over there, we'll have to fight them over here."
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Jefferson has nothing to do with Jeremiah Wright and the only reason Cunningham got into the mix is because you chose to bring him in and now you're all hot and bothered over my response. Tough!
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Issue dodged! Jefferson has everything to do with wrongdoing and the hypocricy of the DenOrats. Cunningham went to the bighouse for less bribe money and was one of Vietnam's greatest heros. Why don't you let him out if military service atones for everything you do afterwards?
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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Point missed!! The article doesn't condone or excuse what Wright said because he served. You really might want to actually read it.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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Oh yeah and Bush was justified in saying he knows how the soldiers feel since he was one......oh wait yeah you need to actually SHOW UP to be considered one.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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ROFOLMAO, defending the skies of Texas from teh VC airforce? ROFLMAO, and then he had his flight certification revoked so he wasnt a fighter pilot. ROFLMAO, Kerry was in nam for 3 months, how long was george there? ROFLMAO
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, the type of plane that President Bush flew was not deployed to Vietnam. Nice try.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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OOPS! Accidently gave you a positive. But since I am here... It wouldn't have made a bit of difference which planes he knew how to fly, the reason he was in that unit in the first place was so he would not have to go to Vietnam. He did keep the skies over Texas safe from VC fighter-bombers for a year or so though, gotta give him that.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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Wow so he didnt demand to be trained on one that was because? After all he got into the National Guard the day after he appplied when the normal waiting period was 6 months or more. Oh yeah george the hero wanted no part of going there and actually fighting. In fact he wanted no part of the military since he needed to take time off to work on an election campaign. So maybe you can explain how being three months in Nam vs not setting foot there is somehow less respectable. ROFLMAO. The logic of the right is the subject of many debates , fist and foremost of which is does the right HAVE ANY.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Bush was trained to fly the F-102 Delta Dagger, an air superiority fighter unsuitable for missions in Vietnam. Nice try but feel free to find some other fact to distort.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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But he was STILL AWOL. And those 3 months Kerry was there got him 3 purple hearts & numerous other metals. As well as giving him the chance to pull 1 of his crew out of the water under fire.
And what was Bush doing? Lines of Coke, drinking & being AWOL.
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joey-evans1 year, 7 months ago
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"Lines of Coke, drinking & being AWOL."
Where do I sign up? That doesn't sound too bad...not bad at all! I wish my daddy could pull strings like that so I could do plenty of big fat lines of blow, drink my ass off and party like some frat boy. :P
JOEY EVANS
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Is that why Al Gore & John Kerry, the 2 previous Democratic nominees, BOTH served in the military while W, Cheney, Rush, O'Reilly, Wolfowitz, and the rest NEVER served or went AWOL?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Gorebbels was a military journalist in Nam. Sound dangerous. He could have been hurt opening a beer bottle in a bar or contracted an STD at a brothel. Kerry spent three months in Nam, barely enough time to unpack his dufflebag. The AWOL story was discredited. Nice try.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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ROFLMAO, Im amazed at how the roight wing cont9nues to slam vets and soldiers and continues to claim to be the friend of the military. Oh wait, I missed the fine print, its the friend of the military industrial complex. yeah that ewxplains how they can support a AWOL coward over men who ACTUALLY where there. So cmon Droopy please explain how being IN COUNTRY was actually less heroic then YOUR boy cutting out on service and avoiding fighting. Lets here this one.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Dumbkluck,
It's amazing how the Left thinks that showering with a bunch of guys for a while is equal to actual valor on the battlefield.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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>>military journalist in Nam. Sound dangerous
Yes it does. Haven't you seen pix from those journalists? They were actually IN THE COMBAT ZONES - unlike ANYONE in this current administration.
And Kerry's 3 months - apparently that's plenty of time to get wounded 3 times, pull a shipmate out of the water under fire, get 3 Purple Hearts & a few other medals, & serve with honor & distinction. Again, unlike ANYONE in this current administration.
And PLEASE show us all where this has been "discredited." No service records, no one remembering W showing up for service, & W's own admission that he left to work on a campaign against his CO's orders. That is called AWOL.
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joey-evans1 year, 7 months ago
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"If you're a Dem, you are already signed up to do drugs and dodge military service."
? Oh.....so you agree that Dumbya did drugs and dodged his military service commitment?
Well! It's about efin' time Droopy. I am glad to see you finally pulled your pinhead outta yer ass. Now get to work enlightening the rest of your shrub sheeple. Atta boy!
JOEY EVANS
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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It's sad to see that I can't tell the difference between your head and your ass, Joebob! What have you got up yours? Doing drugs? I thought the Dems loved that. Later loser.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
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That is not an exaggeration or even a stretch, it is an outright bald faced lie. Since you obviously have never had one, or even seen one, here's a little military tidbit for ya, wounds can't be "embellished," and Purple Hearts are not awarded according to the severity of the wound.
Which mission report did YOU read after witnessing what Kerry and his crew did? Where you on another boat? Why weren't you busy helping with the fight instead of watching Kerry? How did you get your hands on a Navy mission report?
You are loopy on the kool-aid today.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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I can't add much to your comments, MonkeyBiz, except this:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
From Snopes:
Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.
Status: False.
From everything I can tell & have seen over the years, Snopes is usually not wrong.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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ROFLMAO, and yet he countless number of Swamp Boaters the right wing continually brought up seemed to know every mission and bullet that Kerry fired. Yet somehow were extremely fuzzy about missions they were on or were involved in. Altho it was amazing that Kerry managed to serve with ALL those Swamp Boaters. ROFLMAO.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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He wasn't AWOL. It was a lie that got Dan Rather fired.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/107307...
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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Nonesense. Rather was fired for using forged document. That he use them in a story certainly doesn't prove anything except Dan lack of judgement.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html
"Bush's enemies say all this proves he was a cowardly deserter. Nonsense. He was a pampered rich kid who took advantage."
That was then and this is now. Lets see Dan got fired for using forged documents in a report, and GW used forged documents to help his case for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, what happened to him?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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That story was based on assertions from one person who was a Dem hack. That's why Rather was fired. Don't lie!
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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The ONLY thing they could discredit in the story was the document itself. NO OTHER item in the story was refuted or discredited.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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Newsflash. Any officer who identifies someone as "not available for evaluation" with the intent of designating AWOL status, then does not initiate appropriate action against the person alleged to be AWOL, is himself derelict in his duties.
First rule of holes, people. When you're in over your head, stop digging.
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 7 months ago
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He was Grounded.
If I was getting paid to fly jets,
I would not let that happen.
Sorry:
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Codi69341 year, 7 months ago
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His service was great, no one is complaining of that. It is his seperatist ideals that are the problem. If a white man had said the same thing, he would had been branded a card carrying memeber of the klan. No questions asked, no time to clearify.
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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You can't say anything good can you ani? How typical of you.. You would much rather support a man who doesn't know the difference in Iran and Iraq! lol.. just sad.
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Goppy1 year, 7 months ago
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Well not2needy, you got to understand, we Conservatives got our ideeologie to protect.!
See, we feel that black America should be just liek Martin Luther King ... Quiet ... Peaceful ... Passive.
Course, we Christian Conservatives never lieked MLK neither. Heck, John McCain even voted against a MLK day!
See, we liek our Christian Reverends to ELEVATE the spirit of Jesus.
Well, liek this guy ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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Yeah, i noticed that a couple of days ago. A few of the Christian Cons on Prop, were here supposedly praising MLK, but didn't know how many years since he "left us".. lol
Keep in mind, there were parades and celebrations of his life all over the place, with the 40th anniversary of his assassination being the topic.
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dunkirk1 year, 7 months ago
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Ahhhh see thats where you misunderstand Con talk. THAT is the ultimate form of passivity to them.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Well N2N how does it make you feel that one of the "Christian cons" you guys love to hate actually marched with Dr. King? Kinda makes yalls comments look pretty freakin dumb. Then again it's no surprise to me that you are acting like this.
RIP Mr. Heston.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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He became a con after he developed alzheimers'. He was obviously not in his right mind and for that, he can be given a pass.
But what's your excuse?
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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Heston was one of Reagan's biggest supporter -- in the SIXTIES when he was governor of California -- and it hurt his career. He was president of the NRA for many, many years until he stepped down when he developed Alzheimers.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Alzheimers is a slow and progressive disease. He no doubt was suffering effects of it long before he was aware of it, much less diagnosed.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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Mornin, Goppy. Still dishing out misinformation? Oh well..prolly the only missus that'll have anything to do with ya. But hey...don't take it personal. I'm sure those O-COW-la gals just don't know how to 'preciate ya.
At the outset of his evangelistic career, when you Democrats were still defending segregation and lynching registered Republicans, Billy Graham came off his pulpit and personally removed the rope that separated his white and black audience.
Now you know.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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IS there any difference between Iraq and Iran to us? Or Israel either, for that matter? Why in the world can we not read history and just BUT OUT of that region of the world entirely?
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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just because someone doesn't support Wright and Obama or even Wright, Obama OR Clinton, doesn't necessarily mean that they support McCain.
It is absolutely possible to be disgusted with all three major contenders -- I know, I am.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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aniokly wrote: "Evidentally the good Reverend discovered it is much more lucrative to curse, and damn America then it was to serve her."
Humm. Hows about your heroes, Pat Robertson, Rev. Hagee, James Dobson, Bob Jones, et al...
They preach that America is under God's damnation for tolerating gays instead of stoning them to death, for allowing abortion, for teaching evolution...
That doesn't count?
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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Of course not ET, it's a tenet they all support and embrace, it's the tenet of the cons, and that makes it right.
When will we ever learn.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Jeremiah Wright is a modern day prophet. Too bad people like Aniokly don't have the wisdom to appreciate that fact.
You would think a good old Bible toting right winger like that would buy a clue from his name "Jeremiah." Of course, that would involved the use of reasoning, something they are not acquainted with.
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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I have a problem even thinking that they read the Bible cushi. I read the Bible, regularly and i never read anything that justifys the hatred and anger i see here on Propeller. In fact, anger is a sin, one i am guilty of often, and must pray for forgiveness for it. Never in my life of 57 years, have i ever seen such a bunch of narrow minded, their way or no way group of people.
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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Anger is not a sin, The bible cautions you not to sin in your anger there is justifiable anger, like the anger Christ showed at the money changers int he temple! Like the Anger some of us show at Abortion! Now if we went out and shot a Abortionist, beat up an abortionist or eve cussed at a abortionist we would have sinned due to our anger!
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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irresponsibly having kids is actually worse than abortion
don't believe me?
go to a prison. ask about their parenting and upbringing
improperly cared for kids is the number one societal ill
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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N2N, Not too many posters to this site have spread more hate over these last two weeks than you have. As for narrow minded, well that's you too. So basically, thanks for pointing out my splinter, but you might want to take out Your plank.
It's a shame Your Bible does not tell you that murdering an unborn baby is a sin.
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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Best to kill a child slowly by turning aside when they're abused, when they're homeless, when they're hungry, when they have no family, when they're sick, when they aren't given the chance to be all they can be. More fun that way. Gives people someone to feel superior over when they grow up a mess.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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If children are poor and homeless, it's because there's no father in the home to care for them and provide a stable family unit. Congrats Libs...you created this situation!
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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It's a shame yours doesn't tell you that forcing an unprepared woman to give birth to a child she may then abuse or abandon is equally sinful! Forcing a woman to bear a child when she is the victim of rape and psychologically unfit to parent the child is equally sinful. Forcing a woman who's life is in jeopardy to bear a child is equally sinful because while you value the unborn's life, you devalue the life already in existence. Placing an unwanted child at the mercy of a system that gives it as much of a chance of being abused as it does of being loved is equally sinful.
I am not for abortion as a means of birth control or as a casual solution of a perceived problem, but there are times when abortion is an option to be considered.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Amazingly few abortions are the result of rape. A baseless argument. Shame on those on the Left who have worked overtime destroying the family unit and traditional morality, creating massive numbers of indigent single-parent homes. Shame on the drug-infused generation of libertines who have attacked the basis of the family unit since the 1960s and now use the end result as a justification for abortion. Shame on Obama for advocating Partial Birth "Infanticide"! The social problems that provide your illeged justification of abortion largely didn't exist prior to the destruction of the family unit, particularly the Black family, where over three-quarters of children are illegitimate.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 7 months ago
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DKL: "Shame on those on the Left who have worked overtime destroying the family unit and traditional morality,..."
OK, so tell us, when we had that big initial lineup of presidential candidates, who had the biggest marriage count? The Left or the Right?
And of the candidates left, which side has had more than one marriage?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Issue dodged! Take responsibility for the legacy of the Left and the moral degeneracy that has resulted. Families fell apart after the 1960s...hippies, drugs, attacks on traditional values and religion...all strangely coincided with that period.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Cushi, Unfortunately for You no Bible says that it is better to murder unborn children than to accept the gift that God has given you and raise it right.
Also, rape, incest and tubular pregnancies combined make up for less than 1% of the more than 1 million abortions that take place every year.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, you are making the anti-abortion argument. That passage states:
"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life." (Exodus 21:22-23)
So God considered the killing of an unborn baby a crime and this verse appears to cover the accidental killing of an unborn baby, not a purposeful act such as an abortion.
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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n2n, then perhaps you should look in the mirror -- you'd see one up close and personal.
You talk about the hatred from the right all the time, but you have judged and condemned everyone who disagrees with you -- if they are to the right of you while giving almost everyone to the left of you a free pass.
Some of the most venomous attacks and consistently nasty comments about conservatives -- always sweeping blanket statements come from your keyboard -- but, always within the terms of service, never a curse and almost always preceded by some kind of statement about how tolerant, open-minded and Christian you are.
Christians, I was taught, were supposed to be kind and not judgemental.
It has been my experience (as well as what I learned in my psych classes) that people tend to project their own feelings and motives to everyone else.
Is that what's going on with you, N2N?
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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I know, N2N, but I do think they read it...they just don't get it! They're too busy spinning it to suit their preconceived notions and philosophies to receive genuine revelation from it.
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