Iran 'installing new centrifuges' »
Posted By Bkumm 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsIran has begun installing 6,000 new centrifuges at its main nuclear site in Natanz, state media quoted President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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pc251 year, 7 months ago
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Some additional info
Russia starts nuclear deliveries to Iran
http://news.propeller.com/story/2007/12/17/-rus...
Exiles: Iran Resumed Nuke Program In '04/Powell Says
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2007/12/12/...
http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/4489/152/
Mike McConnell: I Would Change Iran Nuke Report
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/02/08/...
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Jaydee401 year, 7 months ago
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Why are a few scribbled lines news worthy? Iran has the right to do this, they don't have the ability to make weapons grad material so why the big fuss? And again I ask why should one country who has nuclear weapons have any say about whether another country obtains them? Move on to real issues people.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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They don't have the ability to make weapons' grade material...yet.
But, even if they do, as you say, they have the right to do so if they think it will improve their national security. Heck, we handed over our rights on a platter to improve our security, why can not Iran develop nuclear weapons?
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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I don't think it's "if we can have it why can't they" so much as why do we think we have the right to tell a nation what they can or can not do if we ourselves are heavily engaged in the action we're telling someone else they cannot engage in?
It's called morality. "Do as I say, not as I do" doesn't work too well with children, adults, or.. other nations.
Besides which, they're not breaking any international laws, treaties or agreements. Which means we're just telling them what they should do because we feel like it. That's called being a bully.
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Jaydee401 year, 7 months ago
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Do you want to live in the world or rule the world? A smart person understand it's impossible to rule the world but a republican keeps on trying no matter how much damage it does to the country until it all collapses around them, that crunching sound you hear is the walls falling in around you. America spends as much on it's military as the rest of the world spends collectively, doesn't that ring some bells for you?
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Really? So, engaging other countries and treating them like sovereign nations is dangerous? How would we know? We haven't tried it in over 75 years.
It's called hypocrisy. Think of it this way. Let's say that you and I are neighbors, but I have a much bigger house, more money and wayyy more stuff. You want a lot of the things that I have so you work to get them, but the whole time you're trying to work to get them, I'm constantly telling you that you can't get that stuff AND I'm doing everything in my power to make sure you can't get that stuff.
How would you react to that situation? I know how I would.
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joeblowe1 year, 7 months ago
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I think I would have a different view of this if I had any confidence that Iran was being run by a sane government. It certainly SEEMS as though MockMood is nuts. They are (supposedly) governed by a group of people who think their invisible friend informs their every move. How in the world can an outfit like that be permitted to possess nuclear weapons. Hell, I'm not sure WE should be allowed to have them, and we've been pretty restrained with them. Only used twice in all of history. Do you think Iran would exercise that sort of restraint. I'm afraid I do not. Oh.. and if they are allowed to continue with their enrichment program, that "10 years" will go by pretty fast. I'd rather not leave THAT particular threat for my children and grandchildren to deal with. The financial mess is QUITE enough, thank you very much.
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Jaydee401 year, 7 months ago
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ThackerAgency1 year, 7 months ago
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It's hilarious that the left don't care whether or not Iran gets nuclear weapons that could threaten the whole world. BUT THEY DO CARE that homosexuals are executed there merely for being homosexual.
The logic doesn't pass the laugh test, but it's fun to watch such an argument. Nuclear weapons to threaten the world. . . no big deal. Execute gays? THE HORROR!
Of course since they hate Bush so much they are willing to let Iran slide on the whole gay rights issue (like Rosie). Only America can be in violation of global rights according to them. . . and how America treats gays is abominable what with not letting them get married and raise kids and all. America bad, Iran good. . . right lefties?
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Commodore11 year, 7 months ago
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Well this guy doesn't exactly induce trust when he says he wants to nuke Israel off the map. If he does it to Israel will he stop there? Perhaps in his arrogance he could learn to show some trust and do things to acquire it from other nations. Defiance & arrogance don't help his situation at all.
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Ah, the old loyalty (righties, and to America) versus fairness (lefties, to all) debate!
I think one issue is vulnerability, which America measures low in. Hard to side with those who hold all the cards, and also, on top of that, reserve the right to deal all hands.
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm not concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon. Like Ron Paul said " Russia has 40,000 and can't account for 10% of them and we worry about Iran having one".
Iran has a legitimate need for nuclear power plants. They have only one refinery for fuel, so they have severe shortage of gas at the pump. Nuclear power would be clean for the region.
I know they would understand if they make a weapon and use it, either the USA or Israel could/would destroy their country. We will have a base on their border for many years to come, so they will know we could move quickly.
I was impressed by how easily Israel destroyed that facility under construction in Syria while there was no mention of what they were up to either before or after.
I personally believe the chain rattling is all talk anyway.
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Thinker221 year, 7 months ago
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> Iran has a legitimate need for nuclear power plants. They have only one refinery for fuel, so they have severe shortage of gas at the pump. Nuclear power would be clean for the region.
To me having only one refinery for fuel and spending billions on nuclear enrichment sounds... well, illogical. I would rather spend these billions on oil refineries ending once and for all the severe shortage of gas at the pump... which will remain there even if Iran WILL build a couple of nuclear power stations.
> I know they would understand if they make a weapon and use it, either the USA or Israel could/would destroy their country.
Unfortunately, some (or many) of them do not care about their own country being destroyed in exchange of destroying Israel (Gaza is a perfect example of such mindset). Even less fortunate is the fact that hundreds of thousands of Israelis who will die as a result of an Iranian attack will not be resurrected.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Let's think about this more clearly. Why is the US involved in the Middle East? There are only two reasons:
1. Israel
2. Oil
The Arab/Muslim sword rattling over the state of Israel isn't in touch with reality and they know it. Iran doesn't want a bomb to protect itself from Israel, they want a bomb to protect themselves from the US. However, if the Israelis sense that there is a threat from Iran they WILL attack. They did it recently against Syria and they did it against Iraq as well. They may have told the US they were going to attack, but they didn't ask permission. So, the US agreement to back Israel against all comers is a bit dicey because the Israelis will do what they see as in the best interests of their country knowing that the US will back them no matter what. Essentially, it holds US foreign policy hostage to the needs of the security of the state of Israel.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Secondly, if the US did not have a national addiction to oil this would all be moot. The US does not get a large amount of oil from Iran, but we have to keep the region relatively stable to continue to get oil from our "friends" the House of Saud.
If we were spending a portion of the vast resources we are spending in Iraq on different sources of energy instead of oil we might be able to look at this rationally. Until then, we will continue to stabilize and destabilize as much as possible to keep getting the lifeblood of our economy out of the region.
This really isn't about Iran, Israel and nuclear weapons at all. It's about SUV's, Malls of America and money. That's it.
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Thinker221 year, 7 months ago
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> Israelis will do what they see as in the best interests of their country knowing that the US will back them no matter what.
Let it be known that the Israelis will defend themselves EVEN if the US will not back them. On the other hand, it's in the US best interests to prevent Iran or the Arabs from attacking Israel as such attack will, probably, trigger a global nuclear conflict.
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THOMNH621 year, 7 months ago
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hey simon I hate to break it to you but as a chemist I can tell you that the hydrocarbon molecules found in crude are used to make everything from the plastic water bottle you drink from to the tubing used in hospitals to polymers which keep you town waste treatment plant running. Getting of oil does not simply mean driving an electric car. The list of Hydrocarbon based materials is endless and to long to list but the next time you touch something ask what is it made from.
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THOMNH621 year, 7 months ago
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here is a short list
Air conditioners, ammonia, anti-histamines, antiseptics, artificial turf, asphalt, aspirin, balloons, bandages, boats, bottles, bras, bubble gum, butane, cameras, candles, car batteries, car bodies, carpet, cassette tapes, caulking, CDs, chewing gum, cold, combs/brushes, computers, contacts, cortisone, crayons, cream, denture adhesives, deodorant, detergents, dice, dishwashing liquid, dresses, dryers, electric blankets, electrician's tape, fertilisers, fishing lures, fishing nets, fishing rods, floor wax, footballs, glues, glycerin, golf balls, guitar strings, hair, hair colouring,
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THOMNH621 year, 7 months ago
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need more
hair curlers, hearing aids, heart valves, heating oil, house paint, ice chests, ink, insect repellent, insulation, jet fuel, life jackets, linoleum, lip balm, lipstick, loudspeakers, medicines, mops, motor oil, motorcycle helmets, movie film, nail polish, nylons, oil filters, paddles, paint brushes, paints, parachutes, paraffin, pens, perfumes, petroleum jelly, plastic chairs, plastic cups, plastic forks, plastic wrap, plastics, plywood adhesives, refrigerators, roller-skate wheels, roofing paper, rubber bands, rubber boots, rubber cement, rubbish bags, running shoes, saccharine, seals, shirts (non-cotton), shoe polish, shoes, shower curtains, solvents, solvents, spectacles, stereos, sweaters, table tennis balls, tape recorders, telephones, tennis rackets, thermos, tights, toilet seats, toners, toothpaste, transparencies, transparent tape, TV cabinets, typewriter/computer ribbons, tyres, umbrellas, upholstery, vaporisers,
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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The surprise is when you quit oil, then wood has to replace everything we use today and we begin cutting the rain forests and then global warming wipes out all the species we eat and crops won't grow and then all the metal rusts and rots out and the bridges start falling .but we have no tools to repair them and we don't have enough horses or elephants to fill the gap and then the insects invade and we all die.
Have a nice day ...
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Only because the Conservatives and their allies in the oil, automobile and money industries won't put the resources into becoming truly oil independent.
It's a lot like the Liberals and their allies in the environmental movement and unions not being interested in going to space.
Of course I'm a Liberal and would be happy to use facts as long as Conservatives do the same.
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Isoparm1 year, 7 months ago
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Isn't the vast majority of hydrocarbon production still used not as chemical feedstock, but as fuel?. If we could reduce consumption for fuel usage, and increase shale oil production (especially as crude is approx. $100), this would go a ways toward energy dependence. Doesn't our reserves of shale-oil dwarf the crude reserves in the ME? Using HC's as fuels is not the best utilization of this important resource.
Silicon is also a material that I think has vast potential in replacing carbon in many products, as they have similar chemical properties, and there is a bit more of it, something like approx. 28% of earth's mass. If we are smart, things don't have to come crashing to a shuddering halt.
If we are smart.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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so if I understand simon and thomnh right, we have no choice but to use oil, and since if I understand right oil is a finite resource, then we have no choice but to use it all until its gone and let our children's children's children worry about the consequence, the insects invading and the depleted rain forests etc.
so all conservation is just a pipedream and we are like sailors on the sea in a permanent doldrum, doomed to eat all our rations and turn to cannibalism [like preying on weaker peoples and taking their 'resources' contained in their flesh?]
so any 'involvement' in the ME is merely an example of 'why put off till tomorrow those you can kill today?'
and liberals are just too stupid and namby-pamby to understand this inevitable Darwinian pretext we live under, tho they trumpet Darwin over Divinity on a regular basis?
That about sum it up?
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THOMNH621 year, 7 months ago
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BKUMM
How do you suggest we make all the things listed, Simon wants us to stop using oil, the facts are that we don't just burn oil in our cars, it is used to make everything that makes your life possible, those are facts, I am open minded but just how do you intend on existing without all those things, and that was just a short list.
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Isoparm1 year, 7 months ago
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This where we have to think smart. All that carbon that is being consumed as fuels and products hasn't gone anywhere. It's accumulating in the environment. We need to figure out how to convert it back into forms that we can use. As this takes energy, this is where solar power comes in. Clean energy resource (or nuclear). This where we need to put more emphasis on research on carbon and its compounds, and the synthesis there of.
I think that there is still great potential for silicon, and silicon/carbon compounds to replace many of those things that we currently rely exclusively on HC's for.
In a changing world, we have to start being creative about these things. We all should become as knowledgeable about this stuff as we can, as the more people you have thinking about this, the more likely that someone will have that light-bulb moment, and shout to the world "Urethra"! and then we'll be another step along.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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I can think of at least a dozen different things to use rather than hydrocarbons for those purposes mentioned. But, as Isoparm points out, the majority of the fossil fuel used is for either power generation or fuel for vehicles. Eliminating that would go a long way towards reducing the oil dependence of the US.
You do realize the US still exports oil, right?
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