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sumptuousdigs1 year, 7 months ago
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Good post neophile. Matt certainly has a gift for BS detection. Many might feel because he points out bias and errors in the text, that he is not a spiritual being. I would disagree. For a lie is a murderer. It murders the truth.
Those with neo (sorry) con agendas are sneaky weasels, who's ends, they think, justify the means. The means by which they reach their ends point up the fact that the ends can't stand on their own merits!
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Muleskinner1 year, 7 months ago
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JackofallChems1 year, 7 months ago
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Redefining what reality is doesn't change reality. When conservatives disagree with liberals on the definition of 'extremism' on the liberal side, it's usually because the liberal side is trying to pretend that they aren't quite endorsing 'socialism', 'communism', or (if you prefer the cynical and power-hungry version of taxation to bribe support out of the poor while leaving them starve with a warm, fuzzy, and slightly confused feeling) 'fascism'/'Nazism'. Let's not sugar-coat things. The ultimate objective of liberals is some form of doomed-to-fail socialism, and the ultimate objective of conservatives is either to be an affluent, stickinthemud hermit or a feudal lord with a bunch of serfs slaving away for their benefit under a lame pretense that they are operating in a capitalist society (depending on which half of the self-identified 'conservatives' you're talking about). Note that there's other (mostly crazy, like the ELF) groups out there, but not well-known ones. ;-)
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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I'm a liberal, so there are aspects of socialism that make perfect sense to me, yet I would never espouse adopting full-blown communism. I similarly understand the Wilsonian brand of conservatism that drives most people on the right.
You seem entrenched in the sort of black-or-white stereotyping that serves no purpose except increasing and accentuating divisiveness.
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JackofallChems1 year, 7 months ago
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Wrong on all counts. I'm entrenched in ideas that actually work, and you're living in a fantasy world based on flawed analysis. It just so happens that some ideas are simply wrong no matter how plausible they seem to the inexperienced. One is marrying a close relative - and the Romans had to find that one out the hard way. Another is invading Russia in late summer - and Napolean (hardly a dumb guy) managed to screw that one up, and be followed by Hitler after the name changed to the USSR. The reasons why they don't work are obvious in hindsight, but it took hard experience to get it through to the general public that those ideas were just bad no matter how people felt or thought. You can join their ranks, or get it through your head that socialism = starvation for the enemies of those in power, and no amount of 'niceness' can make food appear on the tables of the 'poor' without them working to earn it or stealing it from the non-poor and starving everyone. Get a grip on reality!
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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The 'rich' already pay for the 'poor'. Or havenn't you noticed that health care coverage continues to rise both because hospitals have to bake in the costs of covering the uninsured to the prices charged to the insured AND because health insurance companies are expected to show 'growth', usually by the denial of coverage to their paid customers.
I'm of the camp that socialism where it comes to medicine makes perfect sense. We used to employ socialism by saying a corporation shouldn't make profit from war, but no more (now we give them no-bid contracts). You may disagree, but I find war profiteering disgusting. I also find medical profiteering disgusting. Again, you may disagree. Elective procedures are an entirely different matter, and I don't mind doctors making a decent living off of their years and years of training. But an artificially inserted middle-man like an insurance company? The ONLY way they make money is by denying coverage.
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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LOL
In England they have a problem that health care costs too much. They have Socialized medicine. Part of cutting down on the costs is having people with heart problems and arthritis self medicate and not take up a doctors time. Sounds like a good thing, right?
Think about the fact that the government is only efficient in the armed forces. Everywhere else bureaucracy is very inefficient with lots of people enforcing a bunch of rules the way they see fit.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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In regards to your first point: Since you didn't provide any links to source material I can't really comment on the validity of your claim. I would say that a 'heart condition' is pretty vague and may indeed be best managed by medication. Certainly better than having no access to any medical advice whatsoever, yes?
Related point: Are you actually suggesting that the Grand, Great America can't do better than the country we fought to gain our freedom from? Come on! Where's your patriotism?
FYI, a single-payer system doesn't put the government in charge of medical care, it just makes them pay for it.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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JackofallChems wrote: "Wrong on all counts. I'm entrenched in ideas that actually work, and you're living in a fantasy world"
Your agenda has moved us from the most admired nation on earth to the most hated.
We are fast approaching $10 trillion in debt trying to maintain a worldwide empire of control even thought every empire since the dawn of time has collapsed under the cost of maintaining it.
Our precious freedoms are being wholesale flushed down the toilet of fear and smear used to control your top-heavy new fascism.
Your neoCon efforts to secure cheap oil have pushed the price per barrel from $24 5 years ago to nearing $120 today.
The uninsured have been mushrooming. Soon, only the truly wealthy will be able to afford medical care.
The richest 1% of Americans have doubled their hold on the nation's assets in just 50 years of Republican rule. We are on track to become a banana republic.
How much more of this success can we take?
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, when conservatives disagree with liberals it's usually because you're in deep denial of your breathtaking hypocrisy. You hurl labels like "socialist" and then fein cluelessness over all the welfare, cronyism, and "affirmative action" hiring that occurs at the other end of the economic spectrum. Cons don't say a DAMNED thing when 150 white kids from one of the lowest ranked law schools in the US get handed plum Bush administration jobs and you're just as deadly silent on defense contractors getting jobs *they* don't have to compete for and when oil companies get "subsidies" they don't earn, don't need and didn't ask for, either. You're hypocrites. Period. No one is intimidated when you wingjobs squeeze out your conveniently narrow definitions of terms like "socialism" and "fascism" and then scurry off like rats into your corners. Neocon hypocrisy knows no bound and we see right through you.
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