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    JackofallChems1 year, 7 months ago

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    Wrong on all counts. I'm entrenched in ideas that actually work, and you're living in a fantasy world based on flawed analysis. It just so happens that some ideas are simply wrong no matter how plausible they seem to the inexperienced. One is marrying a close relative - and the Romans had to find that one out the hard way. Another is invading Russia in late summer - and Napolean (hardly a dumb guy) managed to screw that one up, and be followed by Hitler after the name changed to the USSR. The reasons why they don't work are obvious in hindsight, but it took hard experience to get it through to the general public that those ideas were just bad no matter how people felt or thought. You can join their ranks, or get it through your head that socialism = starvation for the enemies of those in power, and no amount of 'niceness' can make food appear on the tables of the 'poor' without them working to earn it or stealing it from the non-poor and starving everyone. Get a grip on reality!

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      Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago

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      The 'rich' already pay for the 'poor'. Or havenn't you noticed that health care coverage continues to rise both because hospitals have to bake in the costs of covering the uninsured to the prices charged to the insured AND because health insurance companies are expected to show 'growth', usually by the denial of coverage to their paid customers.

      I'm of the camp that socialism where it comes to medicine makes perfect sense. We used to employ socialism by saying a corporation shouldn't make profit from war, but no more (now we give them no-bid contracts). You may disagree, but I find war profiteering disgusting. I also find medical profiteering disgusting. Again, you may disagree. Elective procedures are an entirely different matter, and I don't mind doctors making a decent living off of their years and years of training. But an artificially inserted middle-man like an insurance company? The ONLY way they make money is by denying coverage.

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        Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago

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        LOL

        In England they have a problem that health care costs too much. They have Socialized medicine. Part of cutting down on the costs is having people with heart problems and arthritis self medicate and not take up a doctors time. Sounds like a good thing, right?

        Think about the fact that the government is only efficient in the armed forces. Everywhere else bureaucracy is very inefficient with lots of people enforcing a bunch of rules the way they see fit.

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          Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago

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          In regards to your first point: Since you didn't provide any links to source material I can't really comment on the validity of your claim. I would say that a 'heart condition' is pretty vague and may indeed be best managed by medication. Certainly better than having no access to any medical advice whatsoever, yes?

          Related point: Are you actually suggesting that the Grand, Great America can't do better than the country we fought to gain our freedom from? Come on! Where's your patriotism?

          FYI, a single-payer system doesn't put the government in charge of medical care, it just makes them pay for it.

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        aceofspades11 year, 7 months ago

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        Jackof - while I can agree with you that extremism either to the left or right is a self-destructive force ( I assume that is what you are saying) taking the middle road gets you run over in two directions

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          ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago

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          JackofallChems wrote: "Wrong on all counts. I'm entrenched in ideas that actually work, and you're living in a fantasy world"

          Your agenda has moved us from the most admired nation on earth to the most hated.

          We are fast approaching $10 trillion in debt trying to maintain a worldwide empire of control even thought every empire since the dawn of time has collapsed under the cost of maintaining it.

          Our precious freedoms are being wholesale flushed down the toilet of fear and smear used to control your top-heavy new fascism.

          Your neoCon efforts to secure cheap oil have pushed the price per barrel from $24 5 years ago to nearing $120 today.

          The uninsured have been mushrooming. Soon, only the truly wealthy will be able to afford medical care.

          The richest 1% of Americans have doubled their hold on the nation's assets in just 50 years of Republican rule. We are on track to become a banana republic.

          How much more of this success can we take?

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            Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago

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            Ultimately, America will not 'go down the toilet'. She will be maintained at a bare minimum of subsistence by the multi-national corporations that once suckled at her teat.

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