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Posted By jovial 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsThe war against Iraq, now five years old, is unquestionably one of the most unpardonable crimes against humanity.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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"The once cosmopolitan city of Baghdad has been ghettoised. Entire neighbourhoods have been segregated by concrete walls built by the occupation army. The capital is pockmarked with military checkpoints. The Bush administration claims that the "military surge" it ordered is responsible for the dip in the casualty figures from the middle of last year to early this year. According to many observers, the real reason for the dip in casualty figures is the ethnic cleansing that took place for four years in major population centres."
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engineer1 year, 7 months ago
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mark-stevens1 year, 7 months ago
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Cheney 1992 "going into Baghdad, and bringing down Hussien, would do nothing but create a quagmire"...of course, unless Haliburton got a 50 billion dollar contract to sweep the floors.
Have you noticed how few people, "now" voted for Bush!!
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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In the once cosmopolitan city of Bagdad, political dissent was answered with summary execution, often through painful and horrific means. Saddam's sons operated rape rooms with impunity. The underlying horror of Saddam's regime was whitewashed before the international community.
The violence we see now is how foreign-supported insurgents and indeed foreign mercenaries want to keep Iraq a lawless wasteland. With the help of mindless liberal politicians who seethe at the idea of a successful American intervention, they may yet succeed. Just as the North Vietnamese eventually wore down the ARVN a year after the US pulled out and all aid ceased. Then Iraq can become once again a sponsor and perpetrator of international terrorism.
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Spadecaller1 year, 7 months ago
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"The Nuremberg Charter clearly states that initiating a war of aggression is a "supreme international crime".
Our future will remain bleak if this administration and its co-conspirators who have waged an illgegal war are not tried for crimes against humanity.
The empire of America has become a militaristic dictatorship run by corporate profiteers. Unless the military industrial complex is thrown out of Washington and K Street is banned from usurping our fair representation, we will remain the subjects of a ruthless warmongering state.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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You fail only to mention the role of the ZionCons in nurturing and maintaining the evil.
"Good News" From Iraq & Beyond
Do No Evil â;; In December 2007 Panama declared a Day of Mourning to commemorate the US invasion of 1989, which killed thousands of poor people, when Bush I bombed the El Chorillo slums. Panama was more deadly than Saddam's invasion of Kuwait a few months later, but US military imperialism there and throughout the world is never touched by US media.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/04/04/...
Zionist Mobsters and John McCain
Politics â;; McCain's Career has mostly been financed by jewish mobster money. He is married to the daughter of a member of the jewish mafia. His family has a long tradition of doing Israel's bidding, even to the point of covering up Israeli attacks on America.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/04/02/...
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Natureboy1 year, 7 months ago
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"Our future will remain bleak if this administration and its co-conspirators who have waged an illegal war are not tried for crimes against humanity."
Unfortunately, wars of aggression and genocide are as American as apple pie, and most of the architects of them have died peacefully in their sleep.
If anything, expect the U.S. to become even more insane and desparate; this is the society and economy that cheap oil built, and it is coming to an end. The U.S. is now in the endgame of trying to secure control of the rest of the world's oil so we will run out last. But we will run out, no matter how violent, how genocidal we become, and this whole house of cards will come tumbling down.
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globalwarmer1 year, 7 months ago
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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We have had that obligation for a long time and have never fulfilled it.
The US Corporate Role
Ensuring the Success of Fascism in Spain
As part of my upbringing, I was taught that the men and women who fought against the fascists in the Spanish Civil War were giants....
...The Lincoln Brigade was supported by the Soviet Union and whatever small donations the global working class could contribute during the Depression. It took three years and the money and support of fascists from all over the "free world" to defeat democratic Spain. The U.S. was officially neutral, but the purpose of that so-called neutrality was actually to support the Spanish fascists. U.S. corporations easily subverted the two U.S. neutrality acts of 1937 by using their global network of subsidiaries, affiliates, boards of directors, banks and direct control over U.S. extraterritorial production as conduits to send money and war materiel to the Spanish fascists.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
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I don't think we will see any official action by the U.S. sadly. The Cheney Bush crowd are clearly guilty of crimes against humanity, but even the opposition party (democrats) are not moving or talking about any legal consequences... sadly because the vast majority are also guilty of aiding and abetting these crimes. I don't think even the Hague has the balls to take these thugs on. But you never know. Government serves the interest of business, not justice, not we the people. If war is profitable for business, war will be had. It's not profitable to put these clowns on trial, and may discourage future clowns from doing the bidding of these multi national business concerns ( who are bigger and far more powerful than any nation-state).
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vor1 year, 7 months ago
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More like Bush is oblivious to what Cheney and the neocons have done. How anyone could refer to this sychophant as a great leader is beyond common sense. The neocons are the ones that took his popularity from the mid 80's down to the teens. It was their policies that were implemented post 9/11 not Bush's. He wasn't even around during their formation in the 90's.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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So I bulldoze the mansion of Bill Gates. Of course he has the money and insurance to one day rebuild it, but does that negate the fact that it was "ruined"? Will all the memories and all the trophies and important papers and photographs be replaced? This is just a small example. In Iraq, friends and countrymen were killed, in my example no one was hurt. Yes, one day they may be able to rebuild, but the loss of lives, the loss of careers, the suffering, the loss of health, can't be rebuilt with oil money.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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We left the nut in North Korea in power, Omar Al-Basir in the Sudan, Than Shwe in Burma, King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia, Hu Jintao in China, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Musharraf in Pakistan, Islam Karimov in Uzbekistan, and Isayas Afewerki in Eritrea. Some of these dictators are considered our allies.
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Natureboy1 year, 7 months ago
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"Should we have left Saddam in power?"
It is American grandiosity and arrogance to think that this was our decision to make.
Every people, every country, has pretty much the government that they deserve, including us, and it is for the people of that country to tolerate or depose it. "Democracy" imposed by the bomb and the gun can only be a lie.
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
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simonsez: "Should we have left Saddam in power? What do you think?"
I'm not a Muslim, but my answer to your question is: Yes. What gives the right to the US to leave or change the leader of another sovereign country? Only the Iraqis had the right to get rid of Saddam Hussein.
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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we had saddam in check. so, yes.
we also had more pressing, more dangerous enemies at the time that got away (in tora bora). so much for chasing bin laden to the gates of hell. just more bush cowboy talk I guess.
when bush turned his eye on Iraq, he took his eye off the ball.
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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To you jovial, I'm not defending the war, by the way. The most permanent damage will be in the psyche and minds of our soldiers, I fear. Even worse than the physical damage.
They did their job and did it well. I remember being proud the day we watched that statue coming down.
Beyond that, the strategy was flawed.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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''I'm just saying damage is a temporary thing and fixable.''
''The most permanent damage will be in the psyche and minds of our soldiers,''
ever notice how when its the other guy's problem, its a temporary and fixable problem
and in line two, it further illustrates the 'other guy' philosophy, by talking about the worst damage being to 'our' soldiers psyches.
how bout the 50,000 dead for no reason in the invasion? How bout family and friends of the 50K? How bout the refugees and disrupted lives? You really believe all that is temporary and fixable?
Thats just 'other guy' philosophy
and what you said about Pearl Habor and London...comparing the US obliquely to the Nazis and the Japanese of WW2,in SUPPORT of the US,no less
you got people in charge who killed and otherwise mildly inconvenienced hundreds of thousands of people for made up reasons...why are you defending and minimizing?
Not to mention the mounting war debt
why would anyone want to take a poking and defend the pokers
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Well Simon, if you were proud of that propaganda circus, then you have been living in the propaganda bubble for too long. Get out of your provincialism.
By the way, you might be interested in what one of the very few Iraqis involved now has to say:
Khalil regrets toppling statue of Saddam
Baghdad - Ibrahim Khalil, who five years ago took part in the iconic toppling of a giant statue of Saddam Hussein in central Baghdad, said on Wednesday he now regrets taking part in the hugely symbolic event.
"If history can take me back, I will kiss the statue of Saddam Hussein which I helped pull down," Khalil told reporters on the fifth anniversary of the statue's toppling....
... "Now I realise that the day Baghdad fell was in fact a black day. Saddam's days were better," said Khalil, who along with his brother runs a car repair shop...
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_i...
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