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Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsIn the midst of an assault from his rivals, a defensive Barack Obama said Friday that many working-class Americans are angry and bitter over economic inequalities and have lost faith in Washingtonââ;¬"and, as a result, vote on the basis of other issues such as gun protections or gay marriage.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Aniokly said:
Sure. Maybe it'll keep Bill and his gaffe's off the front page for a day. (:^D)
She has no lead. They're neck and neck, which is quite a change from the actual lead she held a month ago.
Ani, I live in small town, rural Indiana, not much different than PA, and people here are indeed embittered. Lies about the war, lies about a pol's record ("Look! Snipers! Right behind that seven year old girl!"), tax breaks for unAmerican businesses and the rich. That same bitterness swept Congress away from the spend like a drunken sailor Republicans. And they're deserting Hillary and McCain every day.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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(continued retort to Aniokly)
And Hill and Bill, who earned $105 million over the past seven years, would see middle America at an equal level? Hardly!
Not a chance. You can, however, expect him to garner more new voters, swelling the ranks of the Democratic majority, as well as greater funds from those same new voters. And you can expect him to gain more endorsements from Democrats who matter, those who, like the new voters, are tired of politics as usual.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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FTA: "The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
How is that elitist? Can you compare that to George "I Want A War and I Want It NOW!" Bush, who described a group of multimillionaires, laughingly, as "My base"?
Obama's doing exactly what John McCain **used** to do: he's speaking the plain truth. And it's painful to admit that the majority of Americans vote more often against something than for something, but we do.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Con't:
Votingly negatively is a very real truth Republican pollsters have been exploiting since the falsely named "Contract with America." It put Bush '43 (nicknamed for his SAT scores, no doubt) in the White House, and allowed a temporary Republican respite in 2004.
FTA: "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," (Hillary) said. "They need a president who stands up for them."
Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for Republican candidate John McCain, described Obama's comments as "condescending" and "out of touch."
"No, I'm IN touch," (Obama) said. "I know exactly what's going on. People are fed up, they are angry, they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington."
And instead of apologizing, which is what Clinton's camp prayed for, he stuck to his guns and took his lumps.
Good for you, Barack. Since Stephen Colbert isn't on the ballot in Indiana, you've got my vote.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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The "Bridge to Nowhere" was a REPUBLICAN scam.
Remember how REPUB Stevens wouldn't allow any of the funding for that sh*t bridge to be used for Katrina victims?
You are implicating yourself and your crooked party.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Thanks for the welcome, BTV.
Been real busy working and writing a lot. Pitched a TV show concept to the History Channel, auditioned for the latest Mole show, and now I'm working on completely rewriting a new kung fu screenplay for a Chinese director, with a three week deadline.
All while balancing three kids, a classroom of fifteen, and trying to keep the groundhogs from completely undercutting the barn's foundation. "Consarned groundhogs" is the term I've heard used at the local feedstore. I think I grasp the translation. (:^D)
Busy, busy...
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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>And Hill and Bill, who earned $105 million over the past seven years, would see middle America at an equal level? Hardly!
Isn`t that a little less than what McCain`s in-laws made in interest alone over the same time period?
compare them both to Obama who turned down any law firm in the country to work in downtown Chicago working in under-represented neighborhoods.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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TemplarScribe Said:
"people here are indeed embittered"
"Lies about the war"
"tax breaks for unAmerican businesses
and the rich."
Bla blah balh
So TemplarScribe are you a gun toting bible thumper, blaming all your problems on them dark skinned ferineres?
If yes then Obama is correct as far as your concerned
If no then Obama is wrong.
So TemplarScribe is Obama right or wrong?
BTW that's only true if you live in a small town.
If you live in a city or large town and embittered then your not a gun toting bible thumper racist.
Oh Obama's if your to stupid to understand what I said apology is just digging deeper, kinda like Kerry's "botch joke"
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Injest,
You completely miss the point. Obama's comments illustrate not reality, but the **perceived** reality that motivates many middle-class voters (both urban AND rural). He doesn't need to agree with your insightful (:^D) POV to accurately explain American voter habits.
I doubt that Obama's comments only apply to small towns, and only in PA, otherwise, the Clinton camp wouldn't be posting "Not Bitter" signs in Carolina cities and on Philly street corners.
But for the record, my town's got a smaller population then the four square mile neighborhood near Wrigley Field when I lived in Chicago.
BTW: Another indication of the widespread truth of Obama's comments is the vast grassroots support of those not usually involved in politics. You don't have to be a Bible thumper nor a gun toter to see this country needs **real** change, not **more of the same,** which most voters have proven we expect to get from either Hillary or McCain.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Correction: Another REPUBLICAN Congress Bridge to Nowhere (Brought to you by criminal Ted Stevens (AK) and the GOP Do Nothing Congress) . Let's not obscure facts.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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>It would be nice to think that. But we both know it would be pi$$ed away another gov't bridge to nowhere.
Only if McCain gets elected.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Or maybe to Walter Reed so we could actually pay to take care of our soldiers."
When is our DEMOCRAT controlled congress going to finally start spending money where it needs to? The Dems have the house and therefore the countries purse so why won't the Dems pay for Walter Reed?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Injest, you gotta stop listening to that right-wing mm babble dude. you gotta start paying attention and doing some critical thinking on your own.
it gets painful to watch you and others like you just walk into these self-made traps/gaffes as if you were Dem plants on here trying to make McCain supporters look like out-of-touch dweebs.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Wow! Now THAT'S an interesting take on things, Lurch!
Too bad we can't explain away the last seven years as a brilliant plan by James Carville to blast the Repubs out of the water!
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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injest, where is the Democratic Congress going to get the money to PAY for what it needs to? Here, I'll make it multiple choice for you. Should they:
A) Repeal the Bush tax cuts, and perhaps raise taxes;
B) Stop funding the war in Iraq; or
C) Continue to borrow until our government defaults because revenues can't even pay the interest?
Which do you prefer?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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ok, and then you`ll beyatch about the cost of produce and labor at the convenience store and all the while you won`t see a drop in your taxes because the cons you support have already spent that `tax` savings thousands of times over.
when you are ready to talk real, important issues, raise your hand.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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My produce comes from a local organic farmer here in Ga. I also buy my meat and eggs from local farmers too. Not to mention that I have my own garden every year. So my produce would not be affected one bit if we gave the boot to the illegals.
What would be affected is the nations economy. We would be employing mor Americans who are currently out of work. There will be more tax paying citizens as opposed to them being on welfare and ss because they lost their jobs to illegals. We would be spending half a trillion less in social services every year. There would be 9125 mericans alive each year that otherwise would have been killed by illegals. Classrooms would be smaller so our children can get a better education. I could go on and on.
This is the most important issue. A record number of Americans think so too. Just look at how our calls shut down the phone systems in DC last summer when this debate was going on.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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You know, it would not be difficult to start collecting taxes on the work they do.
Increase penalties for employers who do not pay payroll and other taxes on illegals, and enforce it. No names needed because the workers are seasonal and most will give a different name anyway. Just have inspectors do random head counts. If the employer is paying taxes on a figure close to that number, he is ok. If he is underpaying, he gets fined accordingly.
Would be a compromise to the illegals cost us money claim and it is the only practical solution.
What is your actual plan for rounding up and transporting the illegals out of America while preventing them or others from returning?
And how do you intend to pay for this unfunded program? Raise taxes?
From the salaries of the Americans who replace the illegals in the field? lol with that. There will be no fields or farms in America because no Americans would do those jobs.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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We can start by making illegal immigration a felony like Mexico does. Then, after making an example out of a few of them who have committed crimes instead of deporting them like we have in the past, the rest will start to migrate home on their own.
Right now the county I live in deports illegals when they catch them.
The county next to me is in the middle of a law suit with the American Criminal Liars Union because they made it against the law to knowingly rent a home to an illegal. According to the Liars Union that is racist.
The state I live in is in the process of passing a law sponsored by a state rep (who is a family friend) to take cars away from illegals. If they are stopped for dui, or are involved in an accident, their car now belongs to the state.
If we start passing laws like these nationwide, they will deport themselves.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Or veto it, which he seems to really enjoy these days.
Too bad he didn't veto any of those spending bills the first six years of his adminstration. Wonder why?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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our local rep is suddenly calling for a one-year moratorium on ear-marks.
This from the same beyatch Republican who never saw a spending bill she didn`t love the previous six years.
Pathetic, transparent hypocrisy.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Maybe when chimper's brigade of GOP flying monkeys stop obstructing, wiping up after him and actually doing what the American public wants. You wingjobs had it all and you look at the giant clusterf*ck you turned our country into. You got NOTHING done except for tax cuts for billionaires. Good job, sparky.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, they also created millions of america-haters and hundreds of thousands of anti-american terrorists. So it is not like all they did was take money from our children to give more handouts to the rich.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Mesodude: "...chimper's brigade of GOP flying monkeys..."
HAH HAH heh heh heh heh -- SPLURT!!
Gotta stop reading Propeller while I'm eating cereal!
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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they must be gettin skert,,, now they are pulling evry OH YEAH but the Repubs, thing they can come up with,,,, relax guys you've had the election won for four years now,,,, atleast that;s what you keep saying,,,, why so skert?
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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But your tax $$ went to Big Oil and all you got was $4.00 per gal gas and milk. Aren't ya glad you voted for the chimp, now?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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I have yet to pay more than 3.29 for gas. If you're paying 4 bucks, you're an idiot.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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ah, newsflash Jr.
Price of gas is determined by geographic location in the US more than anything else.
In your world it may be smarter to drive to another geographic region to save 50 cents/gallon, but in the real world that don`t make any sense and people have to pay what the oil oligarchy forces us to pay.
Hence mega-record profits for the oil companies on top of record tax-handouts by the Bush admin, all during a time of war. Unheard of in civil society that a large portion of the population would be so dumb as to not only put up with this situation, but defend it.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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>Yeah, because Paris Hilton's money, if taxed, would have gone right to Middle Americans! LOL.
You mean like in paying for her share of the Republican debt so that thousands of middle americans are not forced to pay her share for her?
uh, yes, that is correct. nice to see you are starting to catch on to their scam.
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MajJohn1 year, 7 months ago
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Smart enough to go with the Democrats, It has been my experience going back to when I worked in the steel mills that these hard workers became Democrats because of the unions. Their blue collar mentality helped to make America great, but they got greedy like the auto workers. As jobs went overseas and plants closed these same workers were not willing to adapt to new economic realities. They remained Democrats and pro-union. Neither the unions or the Democrats have done anything for them. The rust belts are ignored because the residents will always vote Democratic out of a sense of false loyalty. The Republicans & the Democrats have no incentive to do anything for them. Without an active, competitive 2 party system these economically depressed areas will remain poor. So the disenfranchised are bitter and hold on to the non economic issues. Sure, why not? Obama is correct to some degree. These Americans are the forgotten ones. Are they smart? No, abandoned, yes.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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You are actually quite right about that. Obama has been running a campaign on changing that longstanding formula. That's why the entrenched moguls on both sides are out to destroy him.
Do we want to keep right on with the politics of fear and smear and spin mastering and grabbing quotes out of context to distort their meaning. If so, you can choose McCain for the Republican version of this or Clinton for the Democratic version.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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You`re partially right. Many of the unions have been quite stubborn. They learned that well from management, the same management who gave themselves six-figure bonuses for negotiating money out of the union`s pay.
Look up NUMI for a real-life story of how the union that served the most costly, least productive, lowest quality factory in GM became the most efficient and highest quality factory in America. The union stayed the same. Even the union leaders were brought back. Only thing that changed was the new Japanese mgt bought the factory out and brought in new mgt.
Makes you go, `hmm, I`ve been blaming the wrong people all along`.
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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After all, which administration gave Paris Hilton a tax break because she needed the money more than Middle Americans?
I'm a middle american and got a tax break, didn't you?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes give. The government needs to *give* us more of *our* money becase we know how to spend it much better than they do.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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You mean like the $200,000,000,000.00 of American taxpayers' money Bush just gave to the richest, most powerful bank in the world, that has been fully implicated in engineering WWI for profit?
Your evil empire is crumbling tang.
You'd better tell your Neocon pals to initiate the "event" that will force America into martial law or Obama may win.
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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((I don't need nor do I expect a tax break.))
Perhaps, if you get a job and some income, you might want to rethink that....
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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If everybody gets a 5% tax cut, that means that poor and middle income wage earners get very little. 5% of a taxable income of $20,000 (after deductions) is $1,000. FOr the top income bracket, 5% of a taxable income of $1,000,000 is $50,000. For the hedge fund managers that brought in $650 million on average, their tax cut was $3,250,000.
The small break the middle Americans got was offset by slashing Pell Grants for college education, cutting support to the states for police on the streets and other state subsidies, thus driving up state property taxes. You got NOTHING. The really wealthy got a HUGE bonanza.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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Report Says That the Rich Are Getting Richer Faster, Much Faster
The poorest fifth of households had total income of $383.4 billion in 2005, while just the increase in income for the top 1 percent came to $524.8 billion, a figure 37 percent higher.
The total income of the top 1.1 million households was $1.8 trillion, or 18.1 percent of the total income of all Americans, up from 14.3 percent of all income in 2003. The total 2005 income of the three million individual Americans at the top was roughly equal to that of the bottom 166 million Americans, analysis of the report showed.
All figures are from the Congressional Budget Office.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/business/15ri...
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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So what? If the taxes are raised by 5%, it appears that the rich are getting scewed and the so called poor are not. Either way, everybody is getting the same percentage back so where is the effing problem?
I love how you libs hate the rich but constantly support millionaires for your leadership postions. Do you really think that Edwards, Clinton or BO want to increae their taxes? You guys should also note that right now all the "evil corporations" are giving their money to BO and Clinton. That way if elected their company might get preferential treatment.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Tang you poor naive thing.
The people you mentioned are not WEALTHY!
They just have a little money.
The REAL super-wealthy (starting at 10 TIMES RICHER than Edwards) tend to stay out of the light.
There are good posts up naming the 6,0000 people who meet at Davos and secretly divide America and the world like a pie.
YOU are not even NEAR their class.
To THEM you are down here with the minimum wage workers and will be given the same treatment.
YOU THINK YOU ARE SPECIAL?
Your Neocon masters will dump you faster than Ernst Rohm.
Thanks for standing with THEM against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the American people. We'll remember.
The day of reckoning is drawing near. As is yours.
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Grrr1 year, 7 months ago
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As usual, you're only speaking of and for yourself. There is zero credible science to support your statement.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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This is NOT about hating the rich. It's about leveling the playing field so we fund government on tax revenue instead of disastrous debt -- $10 trillion and counting.
And it's about setting up a system like virtually all other developed nations have, and like we had until the the RepubliConMen got into power and dismantled it; a system to prevent the concentration of wealth in dynasties.
If we leave the current tax system in place and permanently eliminate the estate tax on super large estates, we are on track to become a banana republic. If that's what you truly hanker for, move to Hatti. Their government already has it in place.
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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Excuse me, but here in CT, my "tax freedom day" is not until sometime towards the end of May. Now, maybe I AM just a greedy so-and-so, but it seems to me, that if I'm the one doing the work, and I'm the taking the risks, then I'm the one who should get the reward -- not be forced to hand over half of it to someone else who has NOT worked for it or taken any risk for it to decide how to spend it.
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miklkit1 year, 7 months ago
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When that bridge you drive over collapses under you who is going to come to your aid? The police? Nope. Laid off. The firemen? Nope. Laid off. A road repair crew? Nope. Laid off. You want that bridge to stay safe? Maybe you should get out there and repair it yourself. Or pay taxes......
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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I don't think we are talking about bridges here. We are talking about the hundreds of billions that we waste on bs social services and illegal aliens. Not to mention that the war in Iraq is costing less than the 45 year national average for military spending yet the left says it is "bankrupting" us so we need to further tax the rich.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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that only touches on income taxes.
how about SS, sales, and other regressive taxes? Notice DC never bases tax entitlements on the regressive taxes?
SS tops out at about $95K/year. How about basing `stimulus` tax refunds on that tax?
Every study I have ever read or seen on the subject indicates beyond any doubt that a federal dollar provided/returned to a welfare recipient actually is recycled more and more quickly through the economy than one that is given to the rich or the corporations. The poor spend it quickly and locally more often than the rich or the corporations. The rich have everything they need anyway, at least in America. The corporations take time to plan and implement investments (spending)
Macro economics.
The Bush tax break is nothing more than a handout to himself, his family, and his America-hatin` base.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Lots of middle class Americans got "tax breaks"--which were more than offset by huge spikes in their food, fuel, healthcare, childcare, education, and housing costs. So, technically they DIDN'T get a tax break. Make sense, slater?
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splitrch1 year, 7 months ago
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Actions are more important than words. I'd rather have a President who speaks his mind and tries to do the right thing, then have a Son of a Bush liar who says all sorts of things he doesn't mean.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Any thinking person (or oppressed race or gender, or ruined homeowner, or mistreated veteran) in this country is a little bitter.
OBAMA SPEAKS FOR A LOT OF AMERICANS.
The Decider and The Unitary Executive, and their cancerous cabal don't like that.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Well so far they were the only two major candidates who have not been caught in lies, so if you do not want to vote for a liar, then you must be supporting them. BO has been caught in more lies than anybody ever to run for office yet people still believe that *he brings them hope, that he can bring about a culture of change, and lead this nation in a better direction*. Even though that is obviously bull-S.
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splitrch1 year, 7 months ago
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As for Ron Paul, I agree. He says the same thing all the time. I just don't agree with all of what he says. Huckabee changed his tune depending on his audience. I saw him rev up the faithful in S. Carolina with his bible thumping and the next week sound like a wonky liberal intellectual at the Republican Debate at the Reagan Library. Don't get me wrong; THAT Mike Huckabee was more to my liking. I just don't know which one would show up if elected. Based on his track record it would more likely have been the wonky liberal intellectual. I know you liked Huckabee but your party rejected him.
BTW, Dennis Kucinich didn't change his tune either.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, my party did not reject him. Look how far he got. He spent less money on his entire campaign than Hillary or B.O. spend a week. And he still made it farther than Mitt Romney! I'd say he was not rejected at all, and in 2012, he will be our nominee.
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splitrch1 year, 7 months ago
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I can think of worse people to put forward. (I think Mitt Romney is a creep. Good thing he was sent packing.)
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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He wasn't being elitist at all. It's a fact that given certain circumstances, such as a long economic downturn, people can become bitter & put their negativity onto other things. No one likes to think they would do that, & that's where his error was, in verbalizing it. We aren't electing 'gods' to public office Ani, & it's ridiculous to judge the whole man on this.
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Obaku1 year, 7 months ago
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Yep, it is called 'scapegoating', and the neocons have made it into an artform. This is their confessed reason for putting 'gay marriage' on the ballots in 2004.
That's just a plain fact.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Yep, it is called 'scapegoating', and the neocons have made it into an artform."
Would that be like blaming Fox News for the words that came out of his mouth?
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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I'LL talk about all documented the lies coming out of FoxNews!
(If given the slightest encouragement.)
You shouldn't have ingested the Neocon virus injest, it's killing your soul...
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splitrch1 year, 7 months ago
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2 weeks ago a nice (so I thought) lady knocked on my door. She wanted me to sign a petition to place on the Nov. ballot in CA a constitutional amendment defining marriage as only between a man and a woman. I wonder if she really understood the nature of her efforts: to get as many hateful people to the polls to scapegoat gays and lesbians; and while there also vote for repugs. I told her no I wouldn't sign it. She was very distressed and told me they just wanted to qualify for the ballot. We don't need an amendment to define that which is already law. I thought Republicans don't want to waste taxpayer money on wasteful government spending. I suppose in this case they think of it as more an investment than a waste of money. My son asked me why I didn't tell her to f-off.
Governor Schwarzenegger, to his credit, said he would veto any bill coming before him for this purpose. I just hope he can keep it off the ballot - if it passes he can't veto it. More money wasted in court.
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TOD3961 year, 7 months ago
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No, he wasn't. And he also wasn't on the mountain with Moses, either. What's your point?
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Ratskii1 year, 7 months ago
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aniokly alleged that the wild fires in California were started by Al-Qaida and represented an Muslim attack on this country. Her own words are being used against her.
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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As soon as Obama damns the country, joins the nation of islam, or does anything untoward, let me know Ani. Then we'll talk.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Randi Rhodes
"F-word-filled tirade she directed at Senator Hillary Clinton during a public appearance for Air America affiliate KKGN in San Francisco"
San Francisco, hummm
"Barack Obama arrogantly tried to spin his way out of his outrageous San Francisco"
San Francisco? Hummm, I wonder did both these events happen at the same place same time?
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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I have to ask, did your post land in the wrong place? It has nothing at all to do with what I was talking about, and leaves me to just ask "huh?"
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mivan41 year, 7 months ago
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Well, His brother Abongo joined the nation of Islam, became a muslim militant and Obama is PROUD of him (according to Obama's autobiography) THATS CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME!
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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ani's more than ready to judge Obama based on his voting record and relationships, yet refuses to judge bush or mccain on their voting records or their relationships.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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It's pretty obvious how ani thinks.
Read ani's comments for the last year.
A pathological fear of Democracy. (And especially hysterical fear of Democrats.)
Not a well person. But don't pick on the broken stooge. It wouldn't be humane to the emotionally crippled-up thing. BE NICE.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm really sorry.
I meant to add INTELLECTUALLY confused...
When did this post become such a forum for personal attacks?
Do I have to report myself again?
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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you're welcome. it isn't that hard to discern.
ani beats the drum about obama and rezko continually, yet never mentions bush's relationship with rezko. her continued denial of that connection speaks volumes.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Perhaps she does not mention Bush's connection with the guy because he will be out of office soon. Maybe she feels it is more important to keep this scumbag out of office as opposed to just saying, "well the last guy did it too".
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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or there's nothing there in both cases.
I've yet to see anything thus far that implicates Obama or bush in any wrongdoing. and obama getting a good deal on a house just doesn't do it.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Jordon
"He wasn't being elitist at all. It's a fact that given certain circumstances, such as"
Jordon I know of only 2 types of people that paint with a WIDE BRUSH
Elitist and racist, which ultimately come down to the same thing, that is stupidity.
Now Jordon if you know of more types that don't ultimately come down to stupidity let me know!
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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How odd that you would say:
"I know of only 2 types of people that paint with a WIDE BRUSH Elitist and racist, which ultimately come down to the same thing, that is stupidity,"
and then follow it up only SIX MINUTES LATER with:
"Elitist racist stupid Dems."
Did you really mean to demonstrate that first assertion with your second comment?
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Beau7890
" and then follow it up only SIX MINUTES LATER with:
"Elitist racist stupid Dems."
"Did you really mean to demonstrate that first assertion with your second comment?"
Try reading the whole post. this part you missed
"Now Jordon if you know of more types that don't ultimately come down to stupidity let me know!"
Say again Beau7890, if you know of more types that don't ultimately come down to stupidity let me know!
Okay
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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I just thought I'd point out the irony of your calling everyone who paints with a wide brush elitist or racist, which means they're stupid; and your calling Democrats elitist, racist and stupid.
Did you mean that ALL Democrats are elitist, racist and stupid?
What size brush did you use to paint that comment?
Or did you use crayon or fingerpaint and avoid brushes of any size?
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Dang! I just said those words would come back to bite him in the arse! I must be a prophet!! lol
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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I have no doubt those words will come back to bite you in the arse before all is said and done!
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Jordon
"He wasn't being elitist at all. It's a fact that given certain circumstances, such as a long economic downturn,"
Jordon there is no way to spin this that dosen't make it worse.
Kinda like Bill the other day trying to re-spin Hillary's sniper fire hallucination.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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Aniokly wrote: "Barak Obama's elitist speech in California to his rich donors..."
I'll grant you the bit about guns and religion was a poor choice of words. But the Right Wing (and Hillary) reaction, grabbing a few words out of context and running them in an endless loop, is just the kind of politics that originally keeps mill town people in hopelessness.
He was talking about mill-towns in Pennsylvania where the big employers shut down and moved off shore 25 years ago, and after many promises from Bush 1, Bill Clinton and Bush 2, they are STILL out of work. NOTHING has been done for them. And he's right, they are frustrated.
As far as elitist goes, the Clintons earned 109 million over the past 8 years. Ms McCain is worth well in excess of 100 million. The little Bush laughed off a reporter's question about American's having to deal with gasoline approaching $4 a gallon. Who's the real elitist here?
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Yep when I heard Hillary say:
"Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."
I bout gagged remembering this about her "Health care plan"
* When told the plan could bankrupt small businesses, Mrs. Clinton sighed, "I can't be responsible for every undercapitalized small business in America."
* When a woman complained that she didn't want to get shoved into a plan not of her choosing, the first lady lectured, "It's time to put the common good, the national interest, ahead of individuals."
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GWHayduke1 year, 7 months ago
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Maybe you should read some Marx & Engels before you ridiculously associate unrelated circumstances.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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Yep. Absolute socialism, and we need to just do it and be done, and Hill's plan's only problem is it just does not go far enough. Completely nationalize health care, consider it a common expense, just like roads, or armies. No out-of-pocket expenses for anyone, no health insurance, no confusion, no choices to make, just get it done. Socialize medicine.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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Not ONE of these things would be a problem if we just do the deed and socialize medicine, as the civilized world has already done.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 7 months ago
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Well, he11, ET, we're the ones paying for Bush's gas. Why should he not laugh it off?
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TimALoftis1 year, 7 months ago
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A video response from Senator Obama last evening on this subject. In less than 18 hours it has gathered nearly 200,000 views on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl...
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Is that the video from BarackObamadotcom?
Why yes it is!
More damage control, more spin.
Ya know spin works just like a drill it makes the hole ya gotta climb out of deeper.
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rumple4skin1 year, 7 months ago
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You have, along with Fox 'news' experts, latched onto a conversation and taken it totally out of context. Funny things about words. You can spin them to satisfy any agenda. This is another attempt to smear Obama. That's all. I would suggest to the Obama machine to search out the person who spirited comments recorded at this event and, if they are on his staff, fire that individual. I am very suspicious about the source of this recording. I believe what he said is true. Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality.
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Beeboppin711 year, 7 months ago
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Exactly. Never mind the fact that there is no such thing as a "presence" in Iraq without the shooting. It's just more silly McCain rhetoric. He wants 100 more years of war.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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"Never mind the fact that there is no such thing as a "presence" in Iraq without the shooting."
Like those awful Germans and Japs who are still fighting our men and women in their countries right?
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Beeboppin711 year, 7 months ago
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Can you give us an estimate on when you think the Iraqis will stop shooting at us? Could it possibly take 100 more years? Hell, they've been shooting at each other for hundreds of years.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Who could possibly estimate that? At the start of WWII was anyone trying to estimate how long it would take the Germans to acquiesce to defeat? No! They were too busy getting the job done to worry about bs like that.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Hell, they've been shooting at each other for hundreds of years."
So have the Europeans, you really need to watch the history channel or go back to school.
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"Guess what, they HAVE. Iraq's Prime Minister al-Maliki has told President Bush that American troops are no longer needed,"
Can you give a source for your claim?
First person knowledge, on the record, like real and verifiable?
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Ok, so he wants us meddeling in Iraq for 100 years., as long as we meddle, US soldiers and mercenaries will die, hundreds of billions will be spent for nothing.
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augustine9741 year, 7 months ago
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Ok, so he wants us meddeling in Iraq for 100 years., as long as we meddle, US soldiers and mercenaries will die, hundreds of billions will be spent for nothing.
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Obaku1 year, 7 months ago
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Face it, the McCain position is that the U.S. can't leave if Iraq is not secure and stable, and needn't leave if it ever were.
How much money do you want to borrow to waste in Iraq?
How long does Old John want to stay in Iraq if Americans CONTINUE to be killed and maimed there?
The answer is not 100 years, it is FOREVER!
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All the time that we have soldiers in the Middle East will be war time. They will never accept themselves as defeated and occupied people. They never have in history and they won't just because it's us instead of Rome or Britain. It is not like occupying Japan or Germany. We will never make major allies of them with troops. Or without. Anybody who thinks we can apparently cannot read, or even hear and understand. We need to just get out and STAY out. Let anybody who can rule there do so, and buy oil from them, and THAT'S ALL.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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"They will never accept themselves as defeated and occupied people"
How do you know this? The same thing was said about the Germans and the people who said it were wrong then.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Riiight...white people and Christians give up a lot easier...interesting...
Clue: The Japanese liked our occupation because our G.I.s didn't rape their women the way the (rather the understandably enraged) Chinese would have. The Japanese were genuinely surprised by our "honorable" behavior and responded in kind (Three different old Japanese men told me this.)
The Germans were the same color and the same religion as us.
Do you understand the Middle East has none of these conditions?
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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We have better than 2000 years of written history, tang. And thousands of years more of archaeological evidence. This "cross-roads of the world" has never been peaceful. EVER.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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The people we are fighting have not been alive for 2000 years. Are you saying that you have the same exact mentality or beliefs as your great grandfather?
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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There is absolutely no indication of physical or social evolution in our species since the dawn of civilization.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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This "cross-roads of the world" has never been peaceful. EVER.
So, basically your say the President was an idiot when he made this claim?
"I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable
due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis
deserve and desire freedom like everyone else."
Really how odd.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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He was an idiot before he made that claim, demonstrated his idiocy with that claim, and is still an idiot. And a criminal also.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 7 months ago
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Mntnman444, I guess you're trying to make a point about deliberately misquoting people, right? Or do you really think he wants a 100 years of war? I'm pretty sure it's the former, but wanted to clarify if I could.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 7 months ago
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I understand your point and I agree that it happens...in fact, it's done by folks of all political persuasions.
Still, in the specific case of aniokly's comments about Rev. Wright above, I happen to agree. Obama tried to play that one off and got caught. He managed to turn it around pretty well with his speech on race (WHOLE lot of flags behind him for that event...still no flags on his lapel, though...).
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 7 months ago
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Just noting the fact that Obama draped himself in Old Glory when he had to do damage control after he'd made a big deal about patriotism not being about displaying the flag...
Did you count the number of flags behind him in that speech? ;)
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 7 months ago
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Riiiiiiight.
By the way, Barry is already admitting he f'ed up how he said what he said. And his campaign is starting to sweat the "guns" and "religion" comments big time.
Can you say "Reagan Democrats"? ;)
You can have the last word here...I'm done.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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I LIKE Reverend Wright's spunk.
He says what's on his and other people's minds without Mainstream Media's censoring (Pravda-like) filter.
The Founding Fathers were also forthright and harshly direct about their concerns for this country.
Reverend Wright IS America.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Did you count the number of flags behind him in that speech? ;)"
No I didn't. That's probably cause the audience was all white and the guy with the USMC shirt caused me to burst out laughing.
ROFLMAO
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Well you can hope in one hand and crap in the other and it wouldn't take a genius to figure out which one would fill up faster.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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An ANTI-HOPE message...
Tang I underestimated you...
Are you from a Rockefellar think-tank?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Or or or, follow me now, follow me, instead of hoping that something will happen, we make something happen.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 7 months ago
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"That lie was debunked, but you liberals sure do latch onto them and try your damnedest to perpetuate them, don't you?"
We are good learners and Aniokly is a very good teacher. She keeps giving us examples over and over.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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"'And meanwhile McCain says he wants 100 years of WAR!'
That lie was debunked, but you liberals sure do latch onto them and try your damnedest to perpetuate them, don't you?"
We'd never be able to outdo the ConMen in that category. Indeed, McCain DID qualify his "100 years is fine" statement with "as long as they are not being shot at or killed".
Unfortunately, there is a reality check that qualifier fails miserably to meet. When you are in a war zone where every major player hates you and wants you gone, you don't get to decide when they quit shooting at you. Stay 100 years. Get shot at for 100 years. Build 100 years of Arab hatred for America.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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In his congressional testimony this week, Gen. Patreus surprisingly answered Congresman Rob Wexler's request to define "victory".
According to Wexler, He stated that we were fighting for national interest, including region's "importance to the global economy." (In my mind, a stunning admission of the true motives behind this war.)
"He stated that they were trying to achieve a country that is "at peace with itself and its neighbors," "could defend itself" that was "reasonably representative of and broadly responsive to its citizens."
These are not reasonable objectives. Half the countries around the world are not able to defend themselves. Many have internal and external conflict - and few - including our own, are broadly responsive to its citizens.
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BillieMaxer1 year, 7 months ago
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ani is nothing but a racist, plain and simple.Yes listen to the speech you moron. When you cut out what you need to suit your agenda of course its sound wrong, but when you listen to all the words in full sentences, then the truth is told. Stop your witch hunt, its written all over your typing.
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fsev411 year, 7 months ago
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ani, libs and their ilk are part of the 28%ers. They are incapable of understanding complex sentences. They have worshiped the bush for so long that they've lost the ability to understand complex thoughts conveyed in proper english. Short sentences and short words are all they can handle and I agree ani's hatred for Obama can only be generated by racism. Either that or ani is really Alan Keyes still bitter about his loss to Barak.
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MajJohn1 year, 7 months ago
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How did this string go on so long w/ personal attacks, name calling and conspiracies? I thought we were talking about the disenchanted voters in PA?
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Bomb Bomb Bomb....Bomb Bomb Iran.C'mon everybody...sing along with the "grownups"
What's up with the 1979 parody song? Are you trying to remind us of Jimmy Killer Rabbit Carter?
You do know thats from 1979 yes?
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miklkit1 year, 7 months ago
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And here I was thinking it was a takeoff on the Beachboys song from the early sixties called "Barbara Ann".
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"And here I was thinking it was a takeoff on the Beachboys song from the early sixties called "Barbara Ann".
Don't think look it up.
Bomb Bomb Bomb....Bomb Bomb Iran.C'mon everybody...sing along with the "grownups" was a 1979 parody song.
It came about from the Iranian hostage crisis, remember 444 days
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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Yet again we hear the ConMan lie that the Liberals want to take all your money. The only group have routinely prospered under Bush are the wealthiest 4% of Americans. For the other 96% real wages have not kept pace with inflation.
Under successive ConMan rule since the Reagan Revolution, the wealthiest 1% have gone from owning 25% of all the wealth in the nation to owning 50%. Guess where their greater share came from.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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I have prospered under the Bush administration. If you have not, well that is probably your fault.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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The Bush administration has made money hands over fists.
By no-bid contract kick-backs, breaking laws, conflicts of interest, insider trading, stock market manipulation, repeatedly lying on to the nation, sending pallets full of taxpayer's 100 dollar bills to a location in Iraq where they could steal it for themselves, starting wars and selling arms to both sides, polluting, coercing, conning, misdirecting and continually cheating and NOW using their vast recources to FLEECE THE POOR.
Any money you made as a Neocon probably falls under one of those categories...
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Well considering that I was still a lib for the first couple years of this century I would say that you are incorrect. Also, prove that I am a neocon or stfu and quit calling me one.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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Well, you are NOW.
Since NOTHING the Far right has touched hasn't been sucked dry...
Are you sucking?
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TrueNation1 year, 7 months ago
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You sound like "fox News" and when did you speak to all the blacks in america? and if you are black your not speaking for me!
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ADAGUY1 year, 7 months ago
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Is it not true that many white voters are voting against him because he is Black? I don't hear you crying foul about that!
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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Maybe not a fascist, but certainly an idiot if they want to keep Rice in any position of responsibility.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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Obama has a GREAT deal of empathy for the middle class and the poor. Hillary devoted her law degree to working for the ROse Law firm and sitting on the board of WalMart. Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer. He gets his stories about poor and middle class people from working with them, not sending out campaign operatives to collect them.
The only people who have truly benefited from the current Republican party's grip on power are the wealthiest 4%. Repugs have to keep finding meaningless trash like this to twist in order to Con the majority of people into giving them another 4 years to rape and pillage the middle class.
If McCain wins and makes Bush's massive tax cuts for the extremely wealthy permanent, and permanently kill the estate tax as he says he wants to do, there will soon be no middle class in America. The truth of the RepugniCon plan is to siphon off all the wealth of this nation to a tiny elite who own the party.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Rumple
"You have, along with Fox 'news' experts, latched onto a conversation and taken it totally out of context."
Fox news? Buckie this article is from The Associated Press. Not Fox news.
FTA
The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
I really doubt the The Huffington and Fox news are one in the same.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"I believe what he said is true. Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality."
WOW, do you have any idea how Psycho that sounds?
Is your other name Randi Rhodes?
If you believe what he said is true, then it can't be a smear.
"Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality."
Spoken like a true condescending, racist elitist.
"Obama machine to search out the person who spirited comments recorded at this event and, if they are on his staff, fire that individual"
Why fire them? They got, as you say "a true statement of reality." According to Obama and you.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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'''' "Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality."
Spoken like a true condescending, racist elitist. '''
gee that's not very nice
when I heard the recording, and Obama said turning to 'guns' or 'religion' etc, I immediately thought he was talking about voters fixing on traditional 'wedge' issues-after all, what do politician obsess about besides votes
What do you think he meant?
I happen to disagree with Obama if he meant that economic hardship and resulting frustrations produce wedge and single issue voters.
I think being a knucklehead transcends economic status
Now, if you compare the analysis by Obama of PA voters, and the analysis and manipulation of the religious right by Rove Inc, as reported by insider Kuo of the 'faith-based initiative', who comes off more cynical and villainous?
but that question will just lead to party nonsense, so let me ask you again:
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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hello? That wasn't a rhetorical question, INJEST.
whatsamatter? too good to talk to me cause I'm poor and from the midwest?
Elitist...
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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What do you think he meant?
He was asked why working-class voters in Pennsylvania were not getting behind his campaign.
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns (GUN TOTING) or religion (BIBLE THUMPERS) or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant (RACIST) sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
I think he meant that people who live in small towns are racist gun toting bible thumpers and that why he was not doing well among them.
That people wouldn't vote for him because their racist gun toting bible thumpers.
Are you referring to the original statement or the staged damage control video that was put out by BarackObamadotcom?
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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so you thought it wasn't about votes.
fair enough.
I guess he should care about a town full of bitter 'gun-toting' people [people clinging to their guns] but somehow I think he was talking about clinging to voting based on 'gun' issues
just curious what you heard
thread's expired now, but thanks for the reply
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rumple4skin1 year, 7 months ago
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Listen, injest, Dude. Di-jest this. My name is rumple4skin, not Randi Rhodes. I was saying that what is happening is SMEAR, further suggesting that FOX doesn't know the difference between news and propaganda. Stop the name-calling for Gods sake. If a secret recording of a meeting I was holding leaked you can be darm sure that once identified they would be fired. He does not need spies recording comments on a cheap pocket recorder in the camp.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"I was saying that what is happening is SMEAR,"
You also stated that what he said was TRUE.
How can he be SMEARED with the truth!
If you believe what he said is true, then it can't be a smear.
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Obaku1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, "bitter" is an understatement - the truth is that Americans, right, left, and down the middle are MAD AS HELL - and they are saying so.
You and the rest of the Bush catamites and house slaves only demonstrate just how BITTER and acrid the atmosphere is - which is perfectly mirrored on the other side by Code Pink, et.al.
Just how divisive is the debate on immigration? "Bitter' is again an understatement - I'll bet that Ramos and Compeon are a LOT more than just "bitter", don't you think?
Just how divisive is the debate on trade? I'll bet that Mark Penn is feeling "bitter" about now, don't you think? 'Hill and Bill' must have had a few words about that issue too - LOL!
Did you follow the Heller case at Scotus? How many amicus curie briefs were filed? People are feeling pretty frustrated and BITTER about the 2nd Amendment and guns too, huh?
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miklkit1 year, 7 months ago
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I forget who posted this originally, but it's on topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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Here is the whole quote. "You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them, and they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Yes, it's true. The choice of words, "cling to guns and religion" was a poor choice of words.
But how like the Right to spin those words only. The RepugniCons have been working steadily since the Reagan Revolution to sip[hon money from the middle class into the hands of a tiny handful of extremely wealthy. Forget the crocodile tears for the middle class they exploit.
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ADAGUY1 year, 7 months ago
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I just got in on this topic, and I, for the life of me, can't see why "cling to their guns" is so questionable. Please explain.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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I'd say its questionable because this is a debate in which I'd say both sides have decent arguments. Its an honest debate in which legitimate, legal arguments are used by the people in these states, for the most part. Gay marriage tends to fail to use these arguments, just as an example, and it can be seen as bitterness. The gun debate can be easily seen as citizenry protecting the constitutional right to bear arms as opposed to bitterness and I'd say that part of his statement is a gaffe.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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Of course it can also be called a gaffe because the right to bear arms is an incredibly serious issue and after I think about it a few moments I think that's why its a bigger gaffe. These people will always argue very very strongly for this issue probably, but, if they believe the economy can be improved through who they vote for they will be less likely to concentrate on other issues that don't really infringe upon them. Of course using that perspective you can find a few more examples that DO infringe upon them, like gun control, and make Obama's gaffe bigger. A few possible ways of seeing the gun control as a gaffe. Those are just a couple.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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I think those arguments are reaching and, well, kind of petty. I also think the person who taped his speech and then sent it to Huffington Post had an agenda and that she was a plant. Smells like dirty tricks in full affect to me.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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I have to agree that the gaffe is a very minor one compared to things others have said, but it can be construed as a gaffe nonetheless. I found the rest of it to not be very insulting at all. But I can see people considering gun control a major issue to vote on that would make the gun statement a gaffe.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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The word "guns" shouldn't concern 2nd amendment proponents. Obama has been quite clear in his support of the 2nd amendment rights of private citizens. He has said that his study of the Constitution leads him to the conclusion that the right is not just for militias but guarantees ordinary citizens the right to defend themselves.
It is also clear Obama is a committed Christian, so his mention of the word "religion" wasn't meant to favor atheism.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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I wasn't talking about the religious aspect. The gun aspect was a gaffe in the phrasing more then anything else. He shouldn't have even brought it up. But since he has "cling to guns" doesn't have a good sound to it, does it? Bad choice of words, one of the few times he's done this.
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rumple4skin1 year, 7 months ago
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I have been monitoring FOX all day here in Germany. They have latched onto this story like a bulldog on a bone. Pathetic.
I certainly did not mean to imply that FOX=Huffington. I also saw the story written in the Huffington Report. I sincerely apologise for the confusion.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"I have been monitoring FOX all day here in Germany. They have latched onto this story like a bulldog on a bone. Pathetic."
Try changing the channel, ya just might find this story on CNN, ABC, CBS
BTW why are you "monitoring FOX" ?
I certainly did not mean to imply that FOX=Huffington.
The article is from "The Associated Press"
"Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."
The article cites "The Huffington Post"
"The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama"
There is no mention of Fox in the article, and yet YOU blame Fox news for the story?
"You have, along with Fox 'news' experts"
Playing blame the messenger is pathetic, blaming the WRONG messenger pathetic and Psycho
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rumple4skin1 year, 7 months ago
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Di-jest this. RE:"I have been monitoring FOX all day here in Germany. They have latched onto this story like a bulldog on a bone. Pathetic." Try changing the channel, ya just might find this story on CNN, ABC, CBS. BTW why are you "monitoring FOX" ?
Keep friends close ... keep the enemy closer. FAUX is no friend of broadcast journalism. They are one of the biggest broadcast frauds in recent history. I monitor this B.S station to get a read on their perspective. It is entertaining and pathetic. I also like watching the bimbo FAUX females vomiting the results of the (un)kool-aide they diet on.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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So explain the context:
"People don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody is going to help them," Obama said in Terre Haute, Indiana. "So people end up voting on issues like guns and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community, and their family, and the things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington."
The Huffington Post Web site reported that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 7 months ago
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If that is what Obama said (I haven't corroborated myself), then it does seem clear that he's content to label small town folks in the Midwest as gun-loving, prejudiced, religious fundamentalists who just aren't broadminded enough to support his presidential campaign, unlike the more cosmopolitan San Franciscans...
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truthiness1 year, 7 months ago
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He told the truth about race: blacks are bitter about the nation's legacy and whites are bitter about being blamed for crimes they didn't commit
and now he is telling the truth about the ongoing class war in America which is destroying the middle class as he talks about oil company profits and political neglect of the economy.
He to change the direction of the country, one must first identify where we made a wrong turn. You cannot fix a problem you refuse to identify. But, rather than discuss the problems he is identifying with clarity, the media and the other politicans continue to attempt to distract us with meaningless scandal mongering.
We have to begin by admitting that nothing is perfect and everything can be improved. then identify where improvement is neeeded. then state our goals for change. then do the hard work required to make improvement happen. It appears this is the path Obama is on. he should be applauded for sticking his neck out to improve our nation's lot.
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truthiness1 year, 7 months ago
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during the speech obama gave on race while in philadelphia which was inspired by the rev. wright "scandal" he spoke about the core issues involved in racial tensions in America.
he described the black POV as (paraphrasing): hostility inherited from generations of cultural abuse, and being witness to the fact that even though the legal field may be leveled the de facto field has no b/c their community has no inherited wealth as other communities do, as a result of past institutionalized abuses (slavery and segregation).
Obama then went on to describe the POV a segement of working class white people (he did not say all) who are resentful of policies like affirmative action that they percieve as causing them or their children as individuals to pay for crimes which they as individuals did not commit (slavery and segregation)
he
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truthiness1 year, 7 months ago
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did not pass judement on either of these viewpoints. he merely pointed out that they exist, and that we have to recognize and deal with these realities in an adult and respectful fashion if we want this nation to heal
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TrueNation1 year, 7 months ago
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Well said Truthiness!
SOME PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
SO THEY RATHER CONTINUE WITH THE OLD LIES=OLD WAYS OF AMERICAS POLITICS!
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