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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Aniokly said:
Sure. Maybe it'll keep Bill and his gaffe's off the front page for a day. (:^D)
She has no lead. They're neck and neck, which is quite a change from the actual lead she held a month ago.
Ani, I live in small town, rural Indiana, not much different than PA, and people here are indeed embittered. Lies about the war, lies about a pol's record ("Look! Snipers! Right behind that seven year old girl!"), tax breaks for unAmerican businesses and the rich. That same bitterness swept Congress away from the spend like a drunken sailor Republicans. And they're deserting Hillary and McCain every day.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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(continued retort to Aniokly)
And Hill and Bill, who earned $105 million over the past seven years, would see middle America at an equal level? Hardly!
Not a chance. You can, however, expect him to garner more new voters, swelling the ranks of the Democratic majority, as well as greater funds from those same new voters. And you can expect him to gain more endorsements from Democrats who matter, those who, like the new voters, are tired of politics as usual.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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FTA: "The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
How is that elitist? Can you compare that to George "I Want A War and I Want It NOW!" Bush, who described a group of multimillionaires, laughingly, as "My base"?
Obama's doing exactly what John McCain **used** to do: he's speaking the plain truth. And it's painful to admit that the majority of Americans vote more often against something than for something, but we do.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Con't:
Votingly negatively is a very real truth Republican pollsters have been exploiting since the falsely named "Contract with America." It put Bush '43 (nicknamed for his SAT scores, no doubt) in the White House, and allowed a temporary Republican respite in 2004.
FTA: "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," (Hillary) said. "They need a president who stands up for them."
Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for Republican candidate John McCain, described Obama's comments as "condescending" and "out of touch."
"No, I'm IN touch," (Obama) said. "I know exactly what's going on. People are fed up, they are angry, they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington."
And instead of apologizing, which is what Clinton's camp prayed for, he stuck to his guns and took his lumps.
Good for you, Barack. Since Stephen Colbert isn't on the ballot in Indiana, you've got my vote.
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crespi1 year, 7 months ago
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The "Bridge to Nowhere" was a REPUBLICAN scam.
Remember how REPUB Stevens wouldn't allow any of the funding for that sh*t bridge to be used for Katrina victims?
You are implicating yourself and your crooked party.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Thanks for the welcome, BTV.
Been real busy working and writing a lot. Pitched a TV show concept to the History Channel, auditioned for the latest Mole show, and now I'm working on completely rewriting a new kung fu screenplay for a Chinese director, with a three week deadline.
All while balancing three kids, a classroom of fifteen, and trying to keep the groundhogs from completely undercutting the barn's foundation. "Consarned groundhogs" is the term I've heard used at the local feedstore. I think I grasp the translation. (:^D)
Busy, busy...
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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>And Hill and Bill, who earned $105 million over the past seven years, would see middle America at an equal level? Hardly!
Isn`t that a little less than what McCain`s in-laws made in interest alone over the same time period?
compare them both to Obama who turned down any law firm in the country to work in downtown Chicago working in under-represented neighborhoods.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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TemplarScribe Said:
"people here are indeed embittered"
"Lies about the war"
"tax breaks for unAmerican businesses
and the rich."
Bla blah balh
So TemplarScribe are you a gun toting bible thumper, blaming all your problems on them dark skinned ferineres?
If yes then Obama is correct as far as your concerned
If no then Obama is wrong.
So TemplarScribe is Obama right or wrong?
BTW that's only true if you live in a small town.
If you live in a city or large town and embittered then your not a gun toting bible thumper racist.
Oh Obama's if your to stupid to understand what I said apology is just digging deeper, kinda like Kerry's "botch joke"
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Injest,
You completely miss the point. Obama's comments illustrate not reality, but the **perceived** reality that motivates many middle-class voters (both urban AND rural). He doesn't need to agree with your insightful (:^D) POV to accurately explain American voter habits.
I doubt that Obama's comments only apply to small towns, and only in PA, otherwise, the Clinton camp wouldn't be posting "Not Bitter" signs in Carolina cities and on Philly street corners.
But for the record, my town's got a smaller population then the four square mile neighborhood near Wrigley Field when I lived in Chicago.
BTW: Another indication of the widespread truth of Obama's comments is the vast grassroots support of those not usually involved in politics. You don't have to be a Bible thumper nor a gun toter to see this country needs **real** change, not **more of the same,** which most voters have proven we expect to get from either Hillary or McCain.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Correction: Another REPUBLICAN Congress Bridge to Nowhere (Brought to you by criminal Ted Stevens (AK) and the GOP Do Nothing Congress) . Let's not obscure facts.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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>It would be nice to think that. But we both know it would be pi$$ed away another gov't bridge to nowhere.
Only if McCain gets elected.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Or maybe to Walter Reed so we could actually pay to take care of our soldiers."
When is our DEMOCRAT controlled congress going to finally start spending money where it needs to? The Dems have the house and therefore the countries purse so why won't the Dems pay for Walter Reed?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Injest, you gotta stop listening to that right-wing mm babble dude. you gotta start paying attention and doing some critical thinking on your own.
it gets painful to watch you and others like you just walk into these self-made traps/gaffes as if you were Dem plants on here trying to make McCain supporters look like out-of-touch dweebs.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Wow! Now THAT'S an interesting take on things, Lurch!
Too bad we can't explain away the last seven years as a brilliant plan by James Carville to blast the Repubs out of the water!
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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injest, where is the Democratic Congress going to get the money to PAY for what it needs to? Here, I'll make it multiple choice for you. Should they:
A) Repeal the Bush tax cuts, and perhaps raise taxes;
B) Stop funding the war in Iraq; or
C) Continue to borrow until our government defaults because revenues can't even pay the interest?
Which do you prefer?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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ok, and then you`ll beyatch about the cost of produce and labor at the convenience store and all the while you won`t see a drop in your taxes because the cons you support have already spent that `tax` savings thousands of times over.
when you are ready to talk real, important issues, raise your hand.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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My produce comes from a local organic farmer here in Ga. I also buy my meat and eggs from local farmers too. Not to mention that I have my own garden every year. So my produce would not be affected one bit if we gave the boot to the illegals.
What would be affected is the nations economy. We would be employing mor Americans who are currently out of work. There will be more tax paying citizens as opposed to them being on welfare and ss because they lost their jobs to illegals. We would be spending half a trillion less in social services every year. There would be 9125 mericans alive each year that otherwise would have been killed by illegals. Classrooms would be smaller so our children can get a better education. I could go on and on.
This is the most important issue. A record number of Americans think so too. Just look at how our calls shut down the phone systems in DC last summer when this debate was going on.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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You know, it would not be difficult to start collecting taxes on the work they do.
Increase penalties for employers who do not pay payroll and other taxes on illegals, and enforce it. No names needed because the workers are seasonal and most will give a different name anyway. Just have inspectors do random head counts. If the employer is paying taxes on a figure close to that number, he is ok. If he is underpaying, he gets fined accordingly.
Would be a compromise to the illegals cost us money claim and it is the only practical solution.
What is your actual plan for rounding up and transporting the illegals out of America while preventing them or others from returning?
And how do you intend to pay for this unfunded program? Raise taxes?
From the salaries of the Americans who replace the illegals in the field? lol with that. There will be no fields or farms in America because no Americans would do those jobs.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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We can start by making illegal immigration a felony like Mexico does. Then, after making an example out of a few of them who have committed crimes instead of deporting them like we have in the past, the rest will start to migrate home on their own.
Right now the county I live in deports illegals when they catch them.
The county next to me is in the middle of a law suit with the American Criminal Liars Union because they made it against the law to knowingly rent a home to an illegal. According to the Liars Union that is racist.
The state I live in is in the process of passing a law sponsored by a state rep (who is a family friend) to take cars away from illegals. If they are stopped for dui, or are involved in an accident, their car now belongs to the state.
If we start passing laws like these nationwide, they will deport themselves.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Or veto it, which he seems to really enjoy these days.
Too bad he didn't veto any of those spending bills the first six years of his adminstration. Wonder why?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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our local rep is suddenly calling for a one-year moratorium on ear-marks.
This from the same beyatch Republican who never saw a spending bill she didn`t love the previous six years.
Pathetic, transparent hypocrisy.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Maybe when chimper's brigade of GOP flying monkeys stop obstructing, wiping up after him and actually doing what the American public wants. You wingjobs had it all and you look at the giant clusterf*ck you turned our country into. You got NOTHING done except for tax cuts for billionaires. Good job, sparky.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually, they also created millions of america-haters and hundreds of thousands of anti-american terrorists. So it is not like all they did was take money from our children to give more handouts to the rich.
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TemplarScribe1 year, 7 months ago
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Mesodude: "...chimper's brigade of GOP flying monkeys..."
HAH HAH heh heh heh heh -- SPLURT!!
Gotta stop reading Propeller while I'm eating cereal!
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slate1 year, 7 months ago
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they must be gettin skert,,, now they are pulling evry OH YEAH but the Repubs, thing they can come up with,,,, relax guys you've had the election won for four years now,,,, atleast that;s what you keep saying,,,, why so skert?
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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But your tax $$ went to Big Oil and all you got was $4.00 per gal gas and milk. Aren't ya glad you voted for the chimp, now?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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ah, newsflash Jr.
Price of gas is determined by geographic location in the US more than anything else.
In your world it may be smarter to drive to another geographic region to save 50 cents/gallon, but in the real world that don`t make any sense and people have to pay what the oil oligarchy forces us to pay.
Hence mega-record profits for the oil companies on top of record tax-handouts by the Bush admin, all during a time of war. Unheard of in civil society that a large portion of the population would be so dumb as to not only put up with this situation, but defend it.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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>Yeah, because Paris Hilton's money, if taxed, would have gone right to Middle Americans! LOL.
You mean like in paying for her share of the Republican debt so that thousands of middle americans are not forced to pay her share for her?
uh, yes, that is correct. nice to see you are starting to catch on to their scam.
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