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Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsIn the midst of an assault from his rivals, a defensive Barack Obama said Friday that many working-class Americans are angry and bitter over economic inequalities and have lost faith in Washingtonââ;¬"and, as a result, vote on the basis of other issues such as gun protections or gay marriage.
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rumple4skin1 year, 8 months ago
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You have, along with Fox 'news' experts, latched onto a conversation and taken it totally out of context. Funny things about words. You can spin them to satisfy any agenda. This is another attempt to smear Obama. That's all. I would suggest to the Obama machine to search out the person who spirited comments recorded at this event and, if they are on his staff, fire that individual. I am very suspicious about the source of this recording. I believe what he said is true. Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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Rumple
"You have, along with Fox 'news' experts, latched onto a conversation and taken it totally out of context."
Fox news? Buckie this article is from The Associated Press. Not Fox news.
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The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
I really doubt the The Huffington and Fox news are one in the same.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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Rumple
"I believe what he said is true. Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality."
WOW, do you have any idea how Psycho that sounds?
Is your other name Randi Rhodes?
If you believe what he said is true, then it can't be a smear.
"Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality."
Spoken like a true condescending, racist elitist.
"Obama machine to search out the person who spirited comments recorded at this event and, if they are on his staff, fire that individual"
Why fire them? They got, as you say "a true statement of reality." According to Obama and you.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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'''' "Nothing racist, elitist, or condecending ... just a true statement of reality."
Spoken like a true condescending, racist elitist. '''
gee that's not very nice
when I heard the recording, and Obama said turning to 'guns' or 'religion' etc, I immediately thought he was talking about voters fixing on traditional 'wedge' issues-after all, what do politician obsess about besides votes
What do you think he meant?
I happen to disagree with Obama if he meant that economic hardship and resulting frustrations produce wedge and single issue voters.
I think being a knucklehead transcends economic status
Now, if you compare the analysis by Obama of PA voters, and the analysis and manipulation of the religious right by Rove Inc, as reported by insider Kuo of the 'faith-based initiative', who comes off more cynical and villainous?
but that question will just lead to party nonsense, so let me ask you again:
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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What do you think he meant?
He was asked why working-class voters in Pennsylvania were not getting behind his campaign.
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns (GUN TOTING) or religion (BIBLE THUMPERS) or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant (RACIST) sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
I think he meant that people who live in small towns are racist gun toting bible thumpers and that why he was not doing well among them.
That people wouldn't vote for him because their racist gun toting bible thumpers.
Are you referring to the original statement or the staged damage control video that was put out by BarackObamadotcom?
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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so you thought it wasn't about votes.
fair enough.
I guess he should care about a town full of bitter 'gun-toting' people [people clinging to their guns] but somehow I think he was talking about clinging to voting based on 'gun' issues
just curious what you heard
thread's expired now, but thanks for the reply
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rumple4skin1 year, 8 months ago
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Listen, injest, Dude. Di-jest this. My name is rumple4skin, not Randi Rhodes. I was saying that what is happening is SMEAR, further suggesting that FOX doesn't know the difference between news and propaganda. Stop the name-calling for Gods sake. If a secret recording of a meeting I was holding leaked you can be darm sure that once identified they would be fired. He does not need spies recording comments on a cheap pocket recorder in the camp.
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Obaku1 year, 8 months ago
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Actually, "bitter" is an understatement - the truth is that Americans, right, left, and down the middle are MAD AS HELL - and they are saying so.
You and the rest of the Bush catamites and house slaves only demonstrate just how BITTER and acrid the atmosphere is - which is perfectly mirrored on the other side by Code Pink, et.al.
Just how divisive is the debate on immigration? "Bitter' is again an understatement - I'll bet that Ramos and Compeon are a LOT more than just "bitter", don't you think?
Just how divisive is the debate on trade? I'll bet that Mark Penn is feeling "bitter" about now, don't you think? 'Hill and Bill' must have had a few words about that issue too - LOL!
Did you follow the Heller case at Scotus? How many amicus curie briefs were filed? People are feeling pretty frustrated and BITTER about the 2nd Amendment and guns too, huh?
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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I forget who posted this originally, but it's on topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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Here is the whole quote. "You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them, and they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Yes, it's true. The choice of words, "cling to guns and religion" was a poor choice of words.
But how like the Right to spin those words only. The RepugniCons have been working steadily since the Reagan Revolution to sip[hon money from the middle class into the hands of a tiny handful of extremely wealthy. Forget the crocodile tears for the middle class they exploit.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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I'd say its questionable because this is a debate in which I'd say both sides have decent arguments. Its an honest debate in which legitimate, legal arguments are used by the people in these states, for the most part. Gay marriage tends to fail to use these arguments, just as an example, and it can be seen as bitterness. The gun debate can be easily seen as citizenry protecting the constitutional right to bear arms as opposed to bitterness and I'd say that part of his statement is a gaffe.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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Of course it can also be called a gaffe because the right to bear arms is an incredibly serious issue and after I think about it a few moments I think that's why its a bigger gaffe. These people will always argue very very strongly for this issue probably, but, if they believe the economy can be improved through who they vote for they will be less likely to concentrate on other issues that don't really infringe upon them. Of course using that perspective you can find a few more examples that DO infringe upon them, like gun control, and make Obama's gaffe bigger. A few possible ways of seeing the gun control as a gaffe. Those are just a couple.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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I have to agree that the gaffe is a very minor one compared to things others have said, but it can be construed as a gaffe nonetheless. I found the rest of it to not be very insulting at all. But I can see people considering gun control a major issue to vote on that would make the gun statement a gaffe.
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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The word "guns" shouldn't concern 2nd amendment proponents. Obama has been quite clear in his support of the 2nd amendment rights of private citizens. He has said that his study of the Constitution leads him to the conclusion that the right is not just for militias but guarantees ordinary citizens the right to defend themselves.
It is also clear Obama is a committed Christian, so his mention of the word "religion" wasn't meant to favor atheism.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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I wasn't talking about the religious aspect. The gun aspect was a gaffe in the phrasing more then anything else. He shouldn't have even brought it up. But since he has "cling to guns" doesn't have a good sound to it, does it? Bad choice of words, one of the few times he's done this.
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rumple4skin1 year, 8 months ago
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I have been monitoring FOX all day here in Germany. They have latched onto this story like a bulldog on a bone. Pathetic.
I certainly did not mean to imply that FOX=Huffington. I also saw the story written in the Huffington Report. I sincerely apologise for the confusion.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"I have been monitoring FOX all day here in Germany. They have latched onto this story like a bulldog on a bone. Pathetic."
Try changing the channel, ya just might find this story on CNN, ABC, CBS
BTW why are you "monitoring FOX" ?
I certainly did not mean to imply that FOX=Huffington.
The article is from "The Associated Press"
"Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."
The article cites "The Huffington Post"
"The Huffington Post Web site reported Friday that Obama"
There is no mention of Fox in the article, and yet YOU blame Fox news for the story?
"You have, along with Fox 'news' experts"
Playing blame the messenger is pathetic, blaming the WRONG messenger pathetic and Psycho
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rumple4skin1 year, 8 months ago
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Di-jest this. RE:"I have been monitoring FOX all day here in Germany. They have latched onto this story like a bulldog on a bone. Pathetic." Try changing the channel, ya just might find this story on CNN, ABC, CBS. BTW why are you "monitoring FOX" ?
Keep friends close ... keep the enemy closer. FAUX is no friend of broadcast journalism. They are one of the biggest broadcast frauds in recent history. I monitor this B.S station to get a read on their perspective. It is entertaining and pathetic. I also like watching the bimbo FAUX females vomiting the results of the (un)kool-aide they diet on.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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So explain the context:
"People don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody is going to help them," Obama said in Terre Haute, Indiana. "So people end up voting on issues like guns and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community, and their family, and the things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington."
The Huffington Post Web site reported that Obama, speaking of some Pennsylvanians' economic anxieties, told supporters at the San Francisco fundraiser: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. ... And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 8 months ago
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If that is what Obama said (I haven't corroborated myself), then it does seem clear that he's content to label small town folks in the Midwest as gun-loving, prejudiced, religious fundamentalists who just aren't broadminded enough to support his presidential campaign, unlike the more cosmopolitan San Franciscans...
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truthiness1 year, 8 months ago
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Obama is correct. Not that we (I live in PA, born and raised in a small town) cling to fundamentalist issues because that's all we can fathom. People feel completely disenfranchised on economic issues, and we are tired of being told again and again that this politician really will help us only to find more of the same greed and corruption.
As a result people look to more clear cut, less nuanced issues, to receive clarity on which politicians they wish to vote for. the first and second amendments and roe v wade are issues on which people have very clear, easily defined positions.
He wasn't calling people dumb hicks, he was telling the truth..people are bitter about getting routinely screwed by their govt.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 8 months ago
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Hi truthi, how are things with you?
I think everyone will interpret these comments within the framework of how they already view Obama. Those that like Obama will say he's displaying more honesty. Those that dislike him will say it's more evidence that he's not the "unifying" agent of change he tries to portray himself to be. The ones that have the best chance of objectively analyzing the comments are also the ones that are least likely to care, i.e. those that have been indifferent to the campaign to date and likely will remain indifferent (non-voters, of which there are many).
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truthiness1 year, 8 months ago
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how are you SOM
people will definitely see things from their own perspective, there is no doubt about that.
I think you just identified the problem with partisan politics, everyone decides before hand to root for "their team" the only ones with an open mind are the ones who have no team.
which, I believe, was what George Washington was trying to tell us when he suggested not having any political parties.
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truthiness1 year, 8 months ago
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theres a bookstore link, no apologies needed.
actually my masters thesis was about the impact of the dime novel in the context of hpw technology changes affect the publishing industry followed by literacy rates followed by tech, followed by pub...you get the idea.
my novels are fiction. I am working on the next as well as serial fiction which can be found at http://digcreation.com/blog
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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truth,
The glaring self-evident problem with Obama's tirade is that small-town America has ALWAYS adhered to those values, good times or bad.
And that my friend is exactly how out-of-touch he is. The smug arrogance of believing that once things are better everyone will agree with him is NOT going to go over well anywhere among thinking people.
If someone had shown me the quotes and asked who said it, last year, I'd have said Hillary. It appears there's a new elitist in town.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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truth,
"The glaring self-evident problem with Obama's tirade is that small-town America has ALWAYS adhered to those values, good times or bad."
Well ya got that right. Your statement reminded me of a town I spent a couple of weeks at doing field service. The economy was good and seemed every 5th store was a gun store and Jesus could be found on any street, K-falls Org.
The biggest crime story was a kid who barrowed his girlfriends mothers car and wrecked it.
LOL
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truthiness1 year, 8 months ago
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the point is not that they suddenly believe in their views on these topics, but that due to no longer having any faith in representation on issues such as the economy they focus on these types of issues... the result being that these issues now have greater influence on the electoral process than they probably should since more fluid situations like the economy need to be a higher priority of the people being elected.
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tchef1 year, 8 months ago
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He's just saying that people don't think that those in Washington are going to do anything about bringing back their jobs, or doing anything real for the country. And he is right. I've talked to Republicans and Democrats alike who are frustrated with the government because they seem to serve no one but themselves. Why do you think that there is so much voter apathy? He is not being condescending, he's merely speaking the truth about the situation.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 8 months ago
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To respond:
Yes, yes it is clear what he said. And his campaign is already admitting that he didn't say it very well at all.
No, no it's not clear at all that it wasn't a slander on small towns in the Midwest. That he didn't intend it to come across that way, I believe that, yes. But it did to many. And he and his campaign know it and are engaged in damage control right now.
No. But it is clear that you prefer to think so. Have fun with it.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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You are correct Son, it is not clear. However, like you said above, only those who have no team to root for will look at this objectively. I respect Senator McCain and Senator Clinton and, despite leaning more towards Obama, will try to say how I believe it will be viewed by those in the middle. Firstly Obama's entire rhetoric has been Washington does not work, that government does not work. Rather then attacking these small towns in the Midwest consistently, he has attacked the government's ineffectiveness consistently. In addition he only said what he's said before, that people want change, they want a government that will work for them. To be honest with you I see it as little different from other rhetoric, not likely to really alter the middle of the road voter at all. It will be used by his hardcore supporters as more justification for why he is amazing. His opponents will say he hates the Midwest. Those in the middle will virtually ignore it.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm a voter from a small midwest town, and I appreciate someone actually talking about people in my area's feelings.
as for his last sentence Georgia quoted, I think its a non sequitur.
'Explain their frustrations'?
what the heck does that even mean?
I think I'll wait for a sentence from a politician that makes sense before I get upset about it, but to each his own.
Obama probably meant 'express' not 'explain'. One does not explain their frustrations by becoming a single-issue voter. That doesn't even make sense.
So anyway, if you want me to dislike someone for being an elitist, ya gotta come up with a better quote:
how bout:
'What we have here is a meeting of the 'haves' and the 'have mores''
n-yuck n-yuck n-yuck
at least Obama actually mentioned people in PA's feelings ['bitter']
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls&feat...
click on this and ask yourself which politician is the elitist
[here's a tip: the one guy actually uses the term 'elite']
ever here the expression laughing all the way to the bank?
at least the poor get mentioned by Obama, this gent even strikes the 'have nots' out of his speech
the poor are like children I guess, to be seen and not heard, and certainly not mentioned [maybe its just smarter politics, viewing this current silliness and how mentioning problems like race and poverty can get one in trouble]
can you think of a more perfect illustration of the true heart of elitism?
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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So true. And if the republicons have their way we will all end up like this soon enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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'What we have here is a meeting of the 'haves' and the 'have mores''
click on this and ask yourself which politician is the elitist
[here's a tip: the one guy actually uses the term 'elite']
Is that the best you can come up with? Jokes at the Al Smith charity dinner? Blahhhhaahh
Bush And Gore Do New York
Dueling Jokes At Dinner Of NY Political Elite
NEW YORK, Oct. 20, 2000
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/10/18/polit...
The event is named for the former New York governor who was the first Roman Catholic ever to be nominated for president.
The presidential candidates came well-armed with jokes, often poking fun at themselves.
Bush gazed around the diamond-studded $800-a-plate crowd and commented on the wealth on display.
"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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so you enjoy the rich congratulting themselves. You must be a rich guy too, eh?
you got to be kidding.
the 'best I could do?'
would like another sample of Bush's humor?
joking about lookin for those darn ol' WMD's that we killed at least 50,000 people over.
n-yuck n-yuck n-yuck
some people enjoy being the butt of the joke I guess
like the 4,000 dead american soldiers families
har-dee har har har
was that at a charity dinner?
would it make it OK if it was?
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"Wrong. There is just no labeling going on here, except by morons trying to make a plain statement of the truth 'controversial', rather than deal with reality."
LOL
So 26 years ago there were no Guns or God in small town USA, and the folks that lived in small towns weren't racist 26 years ago?
Is that the message your trying to get out?
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rumple4skin1 year, 8 months ago
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You spin his context. I don't have the time or intrest. Keep on beating the Rev. Wright dead horse if it pleases you and gives you comfort. "he would like all of us to attend a church like his." This is silly! Get as grip, please, and take a cleansing breath.
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walden31 year, 8 months ago
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It seems pretty obvious to me what he said and what he meant. To me it demonstrates that he knows nothing about small towns and that he thinks he is better then people that live in small towns and knows better than small town folks.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't know small towns. At most I drive through them.
To me what he said sounded true; perhaps I am an Elitist.
The great thing is, this isn't an intellectual argument.
We will get to see what the small towns think themselves about Obama's words, this November.
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doppich1 year, 8 months ago
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Repeating myself from a less active thread: I sure am lucky I left my small PA town after college, else I'd have become a xenophobic, religious, unemployed gun-clinger. (You know - one of those proletarians that Obama is blaming for his pending primary loss.) A narrow escape, indeed.
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doppich1 year, 8 months ago
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The "context" - as I see it - is that he was explaining to some California bankrollers just who is responsible for his coming loss in the PA primary. It's not his fault, he says, it's the fault of those white, xenophobic, religious gun nuts in small town PA.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't trust any of them. They are all snooty upper cruster's looking to control the greatest nation in the world.
btw. I love my freedoms and gun ownership. I also love my freedom of choice in religious beliefs which I will vote for.
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jrlecato1 year, 8 months ago
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This is the problem in this country. WHITES are racist and anytime a BLACK leader tell them so they cry FOUL!!! OH, we know it's the truth ,but you can't tell us!! WHAT the ******!! The only people that have a problem with what OBAMA said are RASICT and WHITES(or more RACIST)!!
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doppich1 year, 8 months ago
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As I said elsewhere, in the binary world of the Obamans, there are only two possibilities: one is either an Obama supporter or one is a racist pig. But life in the sty is not so bad. It keeps the Obamabots out as well as keeping us pigs in.
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mmrhe1 year, 8 months ago
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He's correct to say such voters are bitter. He is wrong to say those voters are then apt to be distracted by political tactics. These people are probably the least likely to be distracted. It's the so called Christian Conservatives who I would argue have been "distracted" the most!
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MajJohn1 year, 8 months ago
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Why I wonder do these bitter voters continue to vote the same way? It's not political tactics. One doesn't need tactics if you as a candidate know which party is going to always win in given areas. The biggest boob can be reelected having never anything productive for his constituents.
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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Maybe this can explain it to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM
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rumple4skin1 year, 8 months ago
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Further to that ... I am angry, and bitter about the mess America is finally realising: discovering that the results of this presidency, congress, and the senate are beating their incomes into the ground. I'm angry because, even though gas prices are through-the-roof, I must pay the piper and go to work to pay for an increasing bite of my income. I am very bitter and angry and I do not live in PA! (I endorse my comment.)
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ADAGUY1 year, 8 months ago
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You are so certain that the GOP has the answers to our prayers. Please enlighten me. What has the republican party done in the last 50 years that was meant to help only the common worker. Not big business, not the wealthy, just the common middle or lower class working jo.
NOTHING!
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Oh one could quibble. Ronnie added as many jobs as then-present West Germany had. But I see your point...I don't think either party has the best interests of the average citizen at heart.
It's us against them.
Every time I read in the Dec of Independence all the charges against King George, I think, "What's taking us so long?" I guess we're like frogs in lukewarm water.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"Please enlighten me. What has the republican party done in the last 50 years that was meant to help only the common worker."
OHSA,
The United States Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is an agency of the United States Department of Labor. signed by President Richard M. Nixon, on December 29, 1970.
Now why are you defending this bigoted caricature of SMALL TOWN people, you know the "Working class lunch pale folks" You can find that quoet at the 36:26 mark of the tape.
"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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But he didn't, he chooses to call them bitter gun toting bible thumping bigots in a training session for his campaign workers.
If you have followed this story at all, then you know These comments were made privately at a "fundraiser" in San Francisco.
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most_reasonable1 year, 8 months ago
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CNN and MSNBC are not doing the coverage this deserves. Obama didn't use a Poor choice of words, he simply let his true feels out, the kind that he and Michelle and Rev. Wright feel.
Obama a uniter, like Bush is uniter. Everyone in the country now hates Bush; but the country has time to avoid another mistake like Omaba bin Bush.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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His church? Obama doesn't have a church. That's that pastor fella. Also, excepting the horrendous and vile 'typical' obscenity, it was that Pastor fella who said the bad things
just thought you'd like to know...
so one word, 'typical' gets under your skin that bad? all that reading between the lines is bad for your retinas. Can get you in a lot of 'what'd'you mean by that' fights too
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most_reasonable1 year, 8 months ago
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Because I am.
It's time that the networks took off their cloves and gave Obama what he was asking for. I watched MSNBC and the anchorwoman complained how t was unnecessary for everyone to examine every statement with a fine tooth comb, while she spent all of the past two weeks playing and replaying the attacks on Hillary.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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what I do to prevent losing my writing in the propeller ether is to left click and drag my post blue when I'm done with it, and right click 'copy', then hit submit
then wait and if my post doesn't appear, go back and hit reply and paste it.
rinse repeat as necessary
believe it or not I spend 15 minutes to a half hour thinking about what I write sometimes, and it stings to lose that time and have no one enjoy the slow but hopefully fine way the gears in my head grind
so that's what I do to prevent that salty feeling of $%&^&$%$^&* where's my post!!
a quick, simple preventative measure with longer posts
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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Thanks. I've done that too, & tried numerous times with responses to 'injest' or whatever his SN is.I had three replies going at the same time, going back and forth to reenter them. Nothing happened. Darndest thing is, I could respond to others, but not to him! Good thing I'm not a conspiracy theorist, lol. Sooooooo frustrating!
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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big problem for all the obama haters: he's right.
with the blunderous disaster of Iraq overshadowing everything, with a tanking economy in recession (yes, its in recesion), with 81% of america saying bush is taking us in the wrong direction...you know there's bitterness out there.
hillary's just trying to make people stop talking about her fantasy sniper escapades and mccain is just trying to make people forget he doesn't know the difference between a sunni and a shiite.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"with 81% of america saying bush is taking us in the wrong direction...you know there's bitterness out there."
Sorry, it's the "small town gun toting, bible thumping, their all racist" that's got Obama in trouble. This pathetic attempt to change the subject to ONLY the "bitter" is not going to work.
Rephrase will only work on stupid people.
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THOMNH621 year, 8 months ago
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do you people realize that right now your tax rates are the lowest in history and the lowest they will ever be. If we elect a Democrat then you can kiss you tax rate good bye and who do you think Hillary will raise taxes on, not the top 5% they already pay more than half the taxes it will be the middle class. You all may hate Bush but unemployment is under 5%, the NASDAQ and DOW have broken all time records which is where your 401K money is. My hope is that the new president goes after the 5 major oil companies not with new taxes but the understanding that if they don't drop the price of gas then we will tax them even more.
Right now 40% of all americans don't pay taxes.
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Ratskii1 year, 8 months ago
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I went to the site you gave as a reference and it was a blog that didn't give a link to its reference. I'm suspicious as to how they are defining paying taxes. Everyone who earns any income pays social security and Medicare-Medicaid taxes. These are used to reduce the budget deficit and consequently are part of general taxes. So I have to say: THOMNH62, you are lying to me. Prove me wrong if you can.
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THOMNH621 year, 8 months ago
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http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/03/31/...
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Ratskii1 year, 8 months ago
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I repeat, this blog makes no attempt to define their terms or give us access to the CBO study they claim supports their statement. What CBO statement? How was paying taxes defined? Some members of the very rich don't pay taxes; were they included? I don't think you're being honest here.
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Poulenc1 year, 8 months ago
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To quote myself from another Prop forum, if I may, what most concerns me is Obama's apparent penchant for political self-destruction.
Lordy! Politics 101 instructs that you don't say ANYTHING that can be interpreted as--or actually creates--a sense of class antagonism in a country where, officially, at least, and also in the minds of many, classes don't exist...even if class resentment does.
(Doubt it? Ask people to identify the class to which they belong; those not confused by the question will say "middle class.")
So it bodes insane for O. to class-bait, as he did UNTHINKINGLY in the recent flap. He remarks may be dead-on, but you THINK such things, you don't SAY them
And For HC to go for the jugular over them--when will the Dems get wise?
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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Poulenc
"To quote myself from another Prop forum, if I may, what most concerns me is Obama's apparent penchant for political self-destruction.
Lordy! Politics 101 instructs that you don't say ANYTHING that can be interpreted as--or actually creates--a sense of class antagonism in a country where, officially, at least, and also in the minds of many, classes don't exist...even if class resentment does."
Ouch, true, I was thinking along the same line
What do all these have in common?
"You don't need papers to vote"
"Yshhhhhhh...
"it was a botched joke"
About small towns: "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment"
Notice bitter people in cities never "cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment"
They all were the FINAL Nail in a political careers.
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ningyo1 year, 8 months ago
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by swift-boating i take it to mean that its unfair to confront osamabama with what he actually says and thinks--i understand that the lib-dems need 3 or 4 spins to confuse the dinosaur media about what they really stand for..they ARE the mind numbed robots--but we are not confused..or bitter..or bigots..or..or.. we heard what the elitist marxist obama said..and he meant what he said..we dont need the media to explain what he REALLY meant to us dumb hicks..we understand english..and we understand obama is a racist self-absorbed arrogant monster..just like he said
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