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Candida1 year, 8 months ago
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Clever? I don't know. True? Yes.
Can you name all the countries where the CIA operates? The fact that you don't have evidence of their presence in a particular country doesn't mean that they don't carry out missions there, does it?
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> The fact that you don't have evidence of their presence in a particular country doesn't mean that they don't carry out missions there, does it?
Of course not. Similarly, I do not have any evidence that CANDIDA was the head planner of this mosque bombing... but absence of evidence is not evidence for the absence, is it?
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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Yup, that's the fallacy in that statement. Its true but it can be used to implicate absolutely anyone. In this case it ended up being an accident caused by munitions kept within the mosque.
"An explosion in a southern Iranian mosque that killed 10 people and wounded 160 after evening prayers Saturday night was caused by negligent handling of live munitions, not a bomb as first suspected, Iranian media reported."
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Candida1 year, 8 months ago
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No, it's not a fallacy, and it can't implicate anyone; it just expresses uncertainty. You really didn't know that I was not the head planner of the mosque bombing until the facts came out about what really happened.
I've never said that the the absence of evidence implicated the CIA; I clearly stated that I was guessing. It just didn't exonerate them either.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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Actually it is a fallacy in an argument if you actually try to use it to say it WAS this organization doing it. You were arguing it quite possibly was unless I misunderstood something in "My thoughts exactly. I guess they are not in the habit of claiming responsibility" in response to nikki's wondering if it was the CIA. That is an implication of the CIA, a statement that you believed THEY did it. Thus, you then argued that an absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. A true statement, but one that did absolutely nothing for your argument except to say it was possible. For the form of a debate it added nothing other then to say that both possibilities, in accords to evidence, were equally possible. Its an argument that is infinitely fallible if your goal is to state the CIA did it as it applies equally to both sides adding nothing to the actual debate. Not so much fallible as a pointless statement.
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Candida1 year, 8 months ago
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You argue well, but if you follow the thread from nikkibabe's comment, it is clear that I did not use that statement as confirmation of CIA role. Nikkibabe him/herself used a question mark, expressing doubt. The CIA did come to my mind too, but I was in no way certain of it. I said: "No, I'm just guessing like you."
To this crghss replied: "I'm not guessing. There is no evidence to suggests that the USA is in Iran."
My response referred to his, reminding him that the fact that he'd seen no evidence, does not prove that the USA was not in Iran. This wouldn't have been the first time when the population was not fully informed.
My guess about CIA involvement was completely independent of this statement. It was based mostly on Mr. Bush's and Mr. Cheney's recent comments regarding Iran.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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''but absence of evidence is not evidence for the absence, is it?''
Did that annoy you so when Rumsfeld was singing that tune?
There are known knowns, there are known unknowns, and there are unknown unknowns, there are-heck I forget how it goes.
Knowing that you don't know something is usually the beginning of wisdom
Being sure that you know something [the WMD's are in this area right here] is usually the beginning of folly
I don't know if that's original, so don't quote me please
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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Your correct, its not. But don't you think we should get some evidence before we condemn? This goes for both sides.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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"Fars initially reported the explosion was caused by a home-made bomb.
Provincial Police Commander Ali Moaeyri later told Fars it "was not sabotage."
"Some live munitions may have been left behind at that location which could have been the cause of the explosion," Moaeyri said.
The police commander said the munitions were apparently left behind after a "Sacred Defense" exhibition was held at the mosque, which also serves as a cultural center."
Now, the CIA didn't do it. The Israeli didn't. It was an accident.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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The absence of evidence denotes the proff of accusation? Oh I love it!
One good thing is, you being from Canada, you'll never sit on a jury in the US.
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Candida1 year, 8 months ago
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slate: "The absence of evidence denotes the proff of accusation?"
Did I say that? I don't thinks so. Read it again. Paying attention to detail is also a good characteristic for a juror.
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