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    disraeli1 year, 7 months ago

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    Ahh, but you haven't seen her eyes. As you might guess this is very recent personal experience.

    Slightly more seriously I am aware of the actual biological mechanisms, at least in passing. However the dry science of cellular division, operating in a vacuum, leaves me somewhat cold when the facing the spark of life that shows in someone's eyes rather than a mass of protoplasmic blobs merrily swapping enzymes like some well ordered miniature petrochemical plant.

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      RickyDawkins1 year, 7 months ago

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      okay, but does that mean you have to go and make up a tale about virgins and afterlife? I guess so...

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        disraeli1 year, 7 months ago

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        Snarky.

        What sort of a rational argument is that.

        First you trot out some drivel about virgins

        Second you attempt to ascribe said belief to me

        Third based on your manufactured premise, and the self evident (to you at any rate) foolishness of the premise, you wrongly generalize (in a passive aggressive voice) that all my positions are equally wrongheaded and can therefore be dismissed.

        The arguments in the article all boil down to.

        Postulate the existence of God, whose very existence and nature is beyond our comprehension.

        Place God in a position where God has to make some sort of decision or take some sort of action.

        Expect that decision or action to be human in nature.

        Infer from the apparent lack of decision or action that God does not exist.

        Why would you expect God to act in a human matter? That does not fit with the initial premise.

        Despite your claims to the contrary there is no consistent logic connecting your arguments.

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          RickyDawkins1 year, 7 months ago

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          But why can't you imagine a world without God? Why is that so difficult?

          I don't think that our world is "cold" or that love is "just swapping enzymes". Life is wonderful.

          Just pretend for a moment that God does not exist. Do you feel different? Of course not. Because it (Jesus/Mohammed/Zeus/Joseph Smith) was just an idea in your head.

          (btw, i didn't mean to seem passive aggressive, i was short on time, so i may have been terse)

          I have noticed that simply mentioning the concept of Atheism causes people to think I am attacking them. Perhaps I feel the similar effect, that I am being attacked when somebody mentions Faith/God.

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            disraeli1 year, 7 months ago

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            I don't have a problem conceptualizing existence without God. I also don't have a problem with the co-existence of God and science or God and evolution. I don't see the two, the scientific and the spiritual, as mutually exclusive.

            In at least one sense a belief in the existence of God is the same as a belief in the non-existence of God. Neither position can be proven or disproven with absolute certainty. Both positions rely on a belief or on faith.

            I didn't think that you were attacking me personally, I just didn't think that the arguments presented were particularly compelling.

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