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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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Science must finally be freed from the shackles of religion.
Did you hear about the tree with 8,000 rings?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKL...
Wow, an 8,000 year old tree!!!
So how can the Earth be less than 6000 years old, as I was taught in Sunday School?
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crghss1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't remember being told the earth is "6000 years old" in Sunday school.
Your supposed argument it aimed only at Christianity. That doesn't mean there is no God. There are thousands of religions over the history of man not just Christianity.
How has religion shackled Science? We have airplanes, computers, discovered that universe is expanding and that it has an origin. How have we been shackled by religion?
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"How have we been shackled by religion?"
It hasn't been. Or at times it has been briefly.
However if you look at the influence even one Saint (such as St Ignatius, founder of the Jesuits) had on society and education in general it seems to make up quite a bit for those brief moments where science had been briefly "shackled."
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ind061 year, 8 months ago
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The comments on this very string claiming evolution to be "based on a false premise" (and thereby not just disagreeing with the theory, but saying that it is fundamentally WRONG, with no attendant proof)would be but one instance of the ongoing and never-ending battle between religious dogma and science.
Don't be so daft as to presume that such a struggle never existed!
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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The number of people who believe in Creation over Evolution is thankfully a small minority and not representative of most Americans, much less a good majority of Christians. Even the Catholic Church, which most people who are anti-religious rail against has not only embraced evolution, but has embraced the need to care for our earth in the face of global warming.
The struggle exists, but the reality of the struggle today is that no one religious organization has enough power to overcome the scientists. Well. Excepting for BushCo's insane "evangelicals."
The problem is that Religion, especially Ignatius, in a lot of ways formed the educational basis by which scientists came into being. So one could easily argue that without the Church, science wouldn't exist or would be hundreds of years behind where we are now. You could also argue a little of the opposite, though. It's a quandry ;)
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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"The number of people who believe in Creation over Evolution is thankfully a small minority and not representative of most Americans, much less a good majority of Christians."
FALSE.
"60 percent of Americans who call themselves Evangelical Christians favor replacing evolution with creationism in schools altogether, as do 50 percent of those who attend religious services every week."
"Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved. But most would not substitute the teaching of creationism for the teaching of evolution in public schools.
Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who rarely attend religious services.
Overall, about two-thirds of Americans want creationism taught along with evolution."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opini...
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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"The number of people who believe in Creation over Evolution is thankfully a small minority and not representative of most Americans, much less a good majority of Christians."
FALSE.
"60 percent of Americans who call themselves Evangelical Christians favor replacing evolution with creationism in schools altogether, as do 50 percent of those who attend religious services every week."
Uhhh... false, by your own statements. Of the most hardcore of the hardcore Christians, 60% believe in creationism. Of weekly church going Christians (which is not a majority, only 55% of Christians even attend church once a month) its not even a technical majority though not a minority either. Now, show me a relevant statistic that refutes that point of Dionys, if you can.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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Thank you for pointing out the hole in his logic, Mdiar. As I said, there will always be extremists denying this or that. Just like for the Holocaust or for Global Warming (or for God, or Evolution, et cetera).
They do not, and we really must remember this, represent the majority of Americans or even mainstream Christianity.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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"They do not, and we really must remember this, represent the majority of Americans or even mainstream Christianity."
But, you wouldn't want us to remember something which is likely FALSE, would you?
Most recently, in Gallup's February 19-21 poll, 45% of respondents chose "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so," the statement that most closely describes biblical creationism.
45 percent of Americans. Is that what we consider a "small minority"?
Ouch, i think the dogma just bit me!
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creat...
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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"45 Percent of Americans believe that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so".
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creat...
Which indeed contradicts this (blind?) assertion by Dionys:
"The number of people who believe in Creation over Evolution is thankfully a small minority and not representative of most Americans, much less a good majority of Christians."
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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Uhhh... not false. (Please click the link to read the ENTIRE poll.)
"Although most scientists subscribe to the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the origin of human beings, a recent Gallup poll shows that the American public is much more divided in its own beliefs. Americans choose "creationism" over "evolution" when asked which of these two terms best describes human origin..."
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creat...
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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Most recently, in Gallup's February 19-21 poll, 45% of respondents chose "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so," the statement that most closely describes biblical creationism.
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creat...
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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Sorry, was in a hurry as to a class so I really only had the opportunity to read what you said and type out a very fast reply. Firstly the poll you used originally is out of date. Its not most recently though, a similar poll was taken in 2007 of May by Gallup. Overall 52% believed in some form of evolution, be it God guided or not guided. The number of pure creationists had dropped to 43% as well:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Crea...
(the results are about halfway down the page for that particular question type that you posted)
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RickyDawkins1 year, 8 months ago
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okay, i didn't really go to sunday school except once or twice. However that doesn't change the fact that many, many people believe in young earth creationism.
"Your supposed argument it aimed only at Christianity."
Christianity is a big target. The various Fundamentalist Christians organizations are the main culprits pushing the Bible dogma into science and politics and human rights.
"How have we been shackled by religion?"
These atrocities are a bi-product of religion:
Anti Women's Rights (abortion clinic protests)
Anti Gay (legislation)
Anti Contraception (contributing to overpopulation, famine)
Anti Research (stem cell)
Anti Evolution (scopes monkey trial, dover)
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eddie1071 year, 8 months ago
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An 8000 yr. old tree, That makes me think that science will find a way to apply it to humanity.
But that said, I hope that it will be after we make a global conscious awakening about how the population must be regulated and kept in check.
It is very sad to say that the greatest multipliers are the ones with the lowest intelligence. It is strange, but in many ways their ignorance is causing a wave of rejection of those who are intelligent.
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