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Will13131 year, 8 months ago
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that's why Cheney will head to Dubai... and Bush to South America..
still not out of reach of a Predator and a Hellfire..
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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Maybe Obama should leave their brainchild, extraordinary rendition, on the books till the whole lot are rounded up and brought to justice.
Reason enough for me to vite for Obama. My only concern is will the DOJ have any time left to do anything else?
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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...said the bushbot.
really, a bushbot should not be accusing others of lying. its just too ridiculous.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"really, a bushbot should not be accusing others of lying."
--ICAM. Furthermore, given the horrific train wreck our country has become over the last 8 years, it's beyond me why conjobs would still think their political judgement was sound. But clearly con arrogance knows no bounds.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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I notice you continue to dodge my original point above (why are you convinced your political judgement is sound considering the hellhole con choices have led our country into?) while you take weak swipes at the Democratic Party. I'll take that as an admission that your position is 100% indefensible. ;-P
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donald511 year, 8 months ago
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yes, declare the RNC a terrorist organization for torture, preemptive war and eavesdropping without a warrant. Look at their track record from Watergate to Iran Contra and Plamegate... and the fact that only a repug congress has ever tried to impeach a president! 4,000 good Americans and 40,000 maimed for life... for what under the repugs?
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tanglang1 year, 8 months ago
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All that while supporting BO whose buddy actually commited an act of terrorism? On our country no less!
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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I used to be a Republican, and would love to see the Republican party of Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower brought back to life. It is possible if we can purge all the ConMen from it and bring back people who know that Conservative Values do not include:
10 trillion dollar deficits.
Huge increases in the size of government.
Activist judges finding a Unitary Executive (dictator) somewhere in the Constitution, intruding into family decisions about removing life support from a loved one, trashing states rights and ignoring the Florida State Constitution to appoint Bush President in 2000, etc. etc.
Working to break down the 230 year wall of separation between church and state.
Altering tax law to establish a banana republic with a tiny handful of ultra wealthy and everyone else trapped permanently in serfdom.
Preemptive wars and permanent occupation of foreign lands.
The end of habeas corpus, established in 1305.
Failing that, the party should be disbanded.
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
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donald511 year, 8 months ago
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Yah, I hate it... that is why I'm retired military trying to get fools like you to find some actual scrupples/values... that I was willing to defend in combat!
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>will defend ANYTHING this racist marxist says
This is rich. You back an admin & party that has demonized gays, blacks, muslims, arabs, persians, anyone who LOOKS arab or persian (not that you'd know the difference), latinos & women who want equal rights (ever hear of "feminazis"?), and you have the GALL to call a man who has fought racism & spoken truth to the racism problems in this country, a racist.
You've got balls.
I've always found it interesting watching the Republican Conventions over the years - more-so in recent years - where there always seemed to be more minorities on stage than in the audience. You trot out a few prominent minority figures for show but have the most monochrome base around. And accuse others of being racist.
Did you wear a bandaide with a purple heart on it while you supported your AWOL, service-dodging candidate in '04?
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"He says he has the ability to unite this country. "
--Even if you had a basis for your ridiculous claims about Obama, Chimper promised to be a uniter and not a divider and what did knob-gobblin' cons do when he clearly wasn't living up to his word? You rewarded him with four more years in office! LOL Just like you were trying to draft that filthy hypocrite adulterer Newt Gingrich to run for President. In a nutshell, wingjobs engage in serial hypocrisy and cannot be trusted, period.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"Every investigation by Kerry/Edwards proved negative."
--So then this means you also think all the fruitless investigations Republicans manufactured out of pure horsecrap in their never ending quest to torpedo Clinton were baseless as well--because they ultimately "proved negative"? Right, lockster? ;-P
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Will13131 year, 8 months ago
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NOT REALLY .. IMPEACHED YES.. and can't try cases in the Supreme Court.. so what.. the POS was a mistake..
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"Um Clinton was found guilty as charged,,, Impeached and disbarred."
--which is why I clearly specified the investigations that ultimately proved to be FRUITLESS, slater. Not a big fan of reading comprehension, are you? Try to resist your reflexive urge to deflect criticism of your savior and READ once in a while. You just might learn something.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Messo, did you say something? I quit listening after all the childishness that comes out of you imature mind.
I really love to be one of the few cons in a thread laoded down with the ultimate left wingers on this site such as you, Dawgs and Da Messo feller. Especially watching your excitment when one of your politicians get syou excited by lying to you about I Gonna Impeach Le Shrub. ALmost as much fun as watching kids waiting for Mickey Mouse to show up at an event.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"I quit listening after all the childishness that comes out of you imature mind."
--Huh? Is that you, slater "Hussein"? What's that you were Husseining about immaturity? Are ya still supporting John McCain... oops, I meant John "Sidney" McCain III? ;-P
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donald511 year, 8 months ago
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impeached by a repug led congress that we now know was far more corrupt than Clinton... Delay and Newt... what a pair of liars! Even last year the three greatest earmark spenders in both the House and the senate are still repugs! Yes, there is a terrorist party in American... and it is the Republican party!
Anyone still suporting the RNC has to be without a conscience and lives with a defective moral compass! Or, just plain values money over all else!
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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Found guilty? Impeachment is not a conviction. Sorry, but the Senate did not convict him. So technically his guilt of lying to a grand jury was not established.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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>Every investigation by Kerry/Edwards proved negative.
Yeah, that would explain the Republicans in jail for rigging the election, the books by Republican hacks about how they rigged the election, and all the investigations that have shown beyond any statistical margin of error that the voting was rigged and that all the rigged areas went to Bush.
Gee, yeah, none of that happened.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"and all the investigations that have shown beyond any statistical margin of error that the voting was rigged and that all the rigged areas went to Bush."
Can you give a source for this claim?
Now lets follow this line of logic K
"beyond any statistical margin"
BLAHHHHAHH
If we want to go with statistics why even have elections
ROFLMAO
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Your homework is my command. lol.
Every single idiosyncratic, unexplained "glitch" that happened in the election was in one direction: benefiting G. W. Bush. If these immense number of flaws, problems, etc. were truly random, you would expect a 50-50 split in the effects of the "glitch". Instead, what you have is that EVERY SINGLE "GLITCH" that happened WAS IN THE DIRECTION OF BENEFITTING G. W. BUSH!
So, when they try to say it was just a glitch, remember that. When they say it's "just a minor glitch, and it didn't affect the election," remember that 100% of the "glitches" were in one direction, for Bush. As a statistician, it is pretty hard to swallow that purely random events went 100% in one direction.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ProtestStolen...
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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cont`ed
Now, according to the media, the polling data is all of a sudden wrong. But the polls are only wrong here in the USA. And, for the first time in decades.
Not only that, but exactly where the polls went wrong is very telling.
The exit polls were correct for any non swing state presidential race, and all the swing state Senate races.
The "wrong" exit poll results occurred only in swing states, and there the polls were wrong only for the presidential race.
That's right. The only places where the exit polls were wrong were in the swing states. And here it gets real good. The only two areas where the exit polls in the state went for one candidate and the official vote differed were:
You guessed it, Florida and Ohio.
Losing either of these states tosses the race to Kerry, so the voter fraud is absolutely necessary to succeed in these two states in order to steal the presidency.
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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You might want to read these......
http://www.nightweed.com/20AmazingVotingFacts.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334...
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0320-23.htm
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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The only two states that were outside of any statistical margin of error were FLA and OHIO which both went for Bush and both only were outside statistical margin of error in the presidential race. All areas where there was a great deal of fluctuation went for Bush. In a natural, random world, errors would go 50% for Bush, 50% for Kerry.
In places like Ukraine, Columbia, Africa, the people would riot and demand a new election because of the obvious vote rigging.
In America, our right-wing mass media claims the statistics are suddenly wrong even though they worked in all other states and all other races across the country just fine. They worked for decades in America and across the globe just fine.
The Republicans are brain-dead lemmings and the Dems are whipped. Meanwhile, our Founding Fathers are tossing their cookies in their graves at what the Bush Admin has done to their hard work and sacrifices.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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After 194 votes it was found that if the Bushies had not filed suit and the Gore campaign had not capitulated, in other words, if the letter of the law in Florida at the time had been followed to the letter, Gore would have won.
That is before adding the votes for the thousands the scum-bag Republicans illegally removed from the voting rolls. And that is before the Right-wing activists on the Supreme Court overstepped any and all bounds of responsibility to `intervene` where they had no authority, in order to select Bush.
Face the facts.
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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Lurch forgot to mention the absentee ballots: Democratic ballots w/mistakes were destroyed; Republican ballots w/mistakes were fixed & counted.
Sound fair to you?
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Bush was SELECTED in 2000. The election of 2004 was stolen by Die-bold...
Ohhh I likes slogans,,,,, soooooo iffn by chance the Obamanator loses this fall what will the Slogan be?
What if he wins by a thin margin,,,, what then,,,,, oh dat's fare and square? The people have spoken?
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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That all depends on how he loses or wins.
If, like Bush, he wins by losing the popular vote, losing the exit polls, & in spite of allegations of irregularities too numerous to conveniently count, then I'd have as big a problem w/his presidency as Bush's.
If he loses, and loses the exit polls, and loses w/a minimal amount of irregularity allegations, then so be it.
One of my favorites from the 2k Supreme Court was that it stopped the recount for a week, then said that since the recount couldn't be completed in time so it refused to allow the recount.
My favorite, that is, other than the fact that the REPUBLICAN, States' Rights Party's candidate sued to have the FEDERAL gov't stop a STATE from exercising its laws on election recounts. He started his presidency as a hypocrite and went down hill from there.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Hmm hillary won the popular vote in Tx but lost the delegate vote,,, did Obama do a little theiving on the side?
Then you throw in the folks in two staes that aren't being counted because of foolishness,,,,, I don't think you have much terrafima to stand on
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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Hillary won the popular vote because of cross-over votes from ditto-heads. The same ditto heads did not return for the caucuses.
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>Hmm hillary won the popular vote in Tx but lost the delegate vote,,, did Obama do a little theiving on the side?
That procedure was fair, according to TX election law. Yes, she won the popular vote, but he won the caucus vote. There were no allegations of voter fraud, as in the 2000 AND 2004 presidential elections - other than Rush Limbaugh telling Republicans to vote for Clinton in Democratic primaries where they're allowed.
So, are you getting that sinking feeling? Ground's not to firm under you, either. Is it?
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"Slate, the dems will run the country like they run their primaries."
--The fact that Democrats are independent thinkers who try to make careful, thoughtful decisions about who runs their country (rather than voting based on whatever direction the wind is blowing that particular moment-- as cons do) really gets under your skin, doesn't it tangy? ;-)
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"At least Bush got elected not once but twice."
--But, Locky, one of many facts you cons with your tiny, unbelievably low-voltage battery-powered brains fail to process is that, like the vast majority of Americans, you should be thoroughly embarrassed, humiliated, and ashamed that Bush and Barney (with a combined IQ of perhaps 60) were even once allowed to set foot in the White House, much less twice.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"Tin Foil Hat Al Gore?"
--Locky, only in your fantasies could the creature responsible for Chimpstock in the Persian Gulf be as, intelligent, as successful and have as positive an impact on the planet as Al Gore has.
"John "I Disgraced My Fellow Soldiers With Lies" Kerry?
--Yes, it's always amused me how conjobbers quickly relax their BS "we support the troops at any cost" mentality when the people in question who have served their country happen to disagree with the wingers' position on the debacle of the century in Iraq.
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>conjobbers quickly relax their BS "we support the troops at any cost"
Especially when they say vehemently support a self-admitted AWOL. Talk about hypocrisy.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Locky,
You just keep on showing your hate for our military and Vets. You make a great supporter for the vet-hating vet McCain.
You attack a decorated war hero, he attacks the entire military by cutting military funding five times during a time of war at the VA.
Nobody disgraces our military like McCain and his followers. Nobody ******es off our military and disgraces our country like Bush and his followers.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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LOL that says alot for your Democrat party. You can't beat a combined IQ of 60,,,,, Makes ya proud huh?
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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Actually, what it says, slater, is that cons are dimwitted sheep who need to be told what to do and will always choose party over country. That's why you're now gleefully bending over and compromising your so-called principles and voting for McLib (when back in '04 you deceitful, opportunistic, hypocrites swore up and down you couldn't trust a "flip flopper" to run your country? So it turns out wingjobs are the biggest flipfloppers of them all. Vote with the wind (cause you sure as hell don't have a brain in your heads). ROTFLMAO
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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They also said they couldn`t vote for a guy with no personality but they nominating McLame.
They also said they couldn`t vote for a gold-digger, but here they are defending McMoney-Marriage.
They also said they could only vote for a president of character, and here they are attacking Obama while supporting McLaws-for-lays
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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LO atlease the cons get along well enugh to have elected someone, even if I'm not thrilled with McCain. Hell your party only knows how to hate and fight,,,,, I ask anyone that doubte that to look at the last 7 long weeks as proof.
Besides,,,,, your party has a A KKk member in a prominent place and with things said by both the Clinton and Obama camp I'd say your Party as a whole is full to the rim with them. SAD,,, what would JFK think? I'm so glad I left that party when it was still great.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"atlease the cons get along well enugh to have elected someone, even if I'm not thrilled with McCain."
--You can't be serious, slater. As far as the rest of Americans (including most of the GOP) are concerned, you 28 percenters are like the creepy, touchy feely Uncle in the family (the one who likes to hug the kids just a little bit too long for our comfort). You're like icky scabs. Embarrassing, ugly and disgraceful. I can't believe you're giving yourself a pat on the back for uniting around a candidate most of you despise. What a world. ROTFLMAO
Hell your party only knows how to hate and fight,,,,, I ask anyone that doubte that to look at the last 7 long weeks as proof."
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>I can't believe you're giving yourself a pat on the back for uniting around a candidate most of you despise.
Hey. It's kind of like "Give Me Party Loyalty Or Give Me Death!"
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Messo are you some kind of weirdo? All your analogies are sex based and incest based in nature or talking about penises,,,, you are one sick PUP and you are blocked until you mature a little in your approach.
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>your party has a A KKk member
If all you know about Senator Byrd is that he WAS a member of the KKK for a few years in his youth, from the mid '40s to early 50's, while completely ignoring the more than 50 years of public service in complete contrast to the KKK & those years, then you really have no clue.
From an interview: He "was sorely afflicted with tunnel visionâ;;a jejune and immature outlookâ;;seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions." And, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
Now we know how you can completely ignore the incompetence, corruption & outright lies of the Bush admin, not to mention he's still AWOL, because he CLAIMS to be a Christian, & he's someone you'd like to have a beer with.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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PaPa I know I know just like those in the Democrat party that hates either Barack or Hillary will in the end support them.
Ah even when he said the N word on TV you gave him a pass, yet called for Trent's skin,,,,, I don't think it so,,,,,
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Actually what it says is your party lost and it says that at least at that time there were more conservatives than liberals in the country,,,,, let's see if it still holds true this fall.
BTW the term is wingnut
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Chimper?
knob-gobblin' cons?
LOL the maturity of the left. Yeah we need you guys to be in charge.
Ahem, if you have eveidence of proof of 'crimes', tell your esteemed 'cough' leaders' to place them on the table.
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Will13131 year, 8 months ago
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Are Bush, Rove or Rush posting here... I know the get all worked up just thinking about those nights in the Lincoln Bed Room with Jeff Gannon...
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"Did a gay man just call someone else a "knob-gobbler"?
You take that BACK! Just because I think cons are duplicitous, knob-gobblin' hypocrites doesn't mean I'm a di... er, I mean, deck swabber myself. Not that there'd be anything wrong with it but I am NOT gay and I never HAVE been gay. You believe me, don'tcha, Tangy? ;-P
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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I guess I didn't realize I was a politician until you told me, slater. And I'm not surprised you think that I speak for the entire Democratic party (since cons are so used to thinking and acting in lockstep).
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cloud151 year, 8 months ago
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Personally mesodude I think the democratic would be ashamed if you spoke for them. Arrogant, pompous, partisan, insulting, corny as hell, paranoid and hypocritical are a few words that could be used to describe you.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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" Arrogant, pompous, partisan, insulting, corny as hell, paranoid and hypocritical are a few words that could be used to describe you."
--Yes, indeed, those are characteristics one *rarely* encounters in politics. I'll surely bring shame upon the party. LOL
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cloud151 year, 8 months ago
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Ahhh but you see mesodude, Politicians use those discretely, you on the other hand blatantly put it out in the open, which I guess is better since your honest.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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No but you want the Dems that think like you to run things,,,, same outcome,,,, the wrong one
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Anything is better than Bush/McCain - even no president would be better than McCain.
In fact, if working Americans had all the evidence, lies, flip-flops, adulterous acts, etc on the table and you took away party labels, I have no doubt 90% of Americans would vote for no president over McCain.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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ANything would be better than the candidates the Dems have put up the last three cycles,,, even Bush (and I dob't say that lightly) how can you trust someone that can't beat what someone on your sude said didn't have an IQ of 70?
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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Like I said, our biggest mistake was not realizing so many Republicans had IQs even lower than Bush's. We won't make that error ever again.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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"filthy hypocrite adulterer"
Interesting how in the mind of Dems this comes across as a pejorative phrase...but only when discussing Republicans. For the Clintons, Hillary's head-over-heels rush to address--not Monica--but the political consequences of Monica--can be nothing but admirable and honorable.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"Interesting how in the mind of Dems this comes across as a pejorative phrase...but only when discussing Republicans. "
--You're blind. You don't see the difference between being an adulterer and being an adulterer who stalks other adulterers like prey and lives to destroy their lives. Clinton is the former, the GOP lizard the latter.
"For the Clintons, Hillary's head-over-heels rush to address--not Monica--but the political consequences of Monica--can be nothing but admirable and honorable."
--Translation: you hate Hillary Clinton because (instead of melting down on national television a la Tammy Faye Bakker, and publicly airing her dirty laundry) she chose to rise above her husband's human failings. You couldn't be more transparent and your attitude is a sad commentary on con lemming values.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Then by all means allow me to put a finer point on the hypocrisy you appear oblivious to:
"You had to know that the media would do its best to make sure that Giuliani's affair with Nathan would be seen as more than just a private matter, so it's no surprise that an attention-grabbing story has surfaced about the security costs that taxpayers incurred as a result of it. This from the same media that largely ignored the unjust use of government resources in Bill Clinton's affair with Gennifer Flowers, a story with an actual victim, a black woman, normally an ace in the deck of victim cards."
(cont'd)
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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"Mr. Clinton gave Ms. Flowers a state job that was originally supposed to go to an Arkansas state employee by the name of Charlette Perry. Perry filed a complaint with the state over this matter, and the state grievance committee sided with her, only to be overruled by Don Barnes (who gave the job to Flowers to begin with and who was appointed by Governor Bill Clinton). Moreover, Flowers was heard on tape telling Clinton about Perry's case and about how she was asked to testify about Clinton 's role in giving her the job. Clinton then applauded her for lying under oath as she covered for him.
'All you got to do is deny it,' he said."
--Gary Mottolla
I'll see your opportunistic political stalking among players who know the game and raise you the subordination of rule of law to one's sexual proclivities.
Know when to lay down your king. It's good form.
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
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Well, the first is simply untrue. There are lots of specifics. Try his web-site for details.
His record in the Senate is as varied as any other Senators. If you look at McCain's record, for instance, he is awfully "liberal" to be the Republican nominee.
As for the company he keeps, we all have people that are part of our lives that disagree with us and who may or may not have done things in their past that we agree with. And his wife's comments weren't at all what you are implying they are.
He's right about what people do when they start to lose hope. They do cling to issues where they feel like they have some control or that they feel are 'core' identity issues. He didn't say anything that isn't true.
None of the above answers why the man himself is a lie. Thank you for answering though.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Well, at least McCain is consistent when it comes to military votes - he`s against them.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/04/12/...
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scott42611 year, 8 months ago
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You underestimate the voting electorate this election...
More young people and first time voters are motivated as never before to cast a ballot. This will be a watershed election.
Obama will win the Democratic nomination and the Presidency.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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Where do you find the nerve to accuse others of fawning over Obama when you 28 percenters are still dutifully and unapologetically wiping up behind King George no matter how, when and where he takes a dump? You're a complete tool wingjob, Locky. LOL
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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What's this? We don't feel like using Obama's middle name for no particular reason today, slater? ;-P
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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LOL I use it when I feel like it,,,,, you tell me,, which one of his three names doesn't sound like a Muslim name,,, if that's what you are implying?
I'm sure he'll use all three of them of the time comes to be sworn in as president, don't you?
I had no idea that you of all people would have a problem with his name. Wonders never cease
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>which one of his three names doesn't sound like a Muslim name
You DO realize that both Barak AND Hussein are Biblical names, don't you?
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amazed1 year, 8 months ago
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you know, just because we don't want Obama or Clinton for president does NOT mean that we think GW is peachy -- or even McCain, for that matter.
I, personally, believed we are SOOO screwed no mater who gets elected.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Wouldn't it be nice to actually have someone you'd be proud to vote for instead of voting for the least repugnant for a change?
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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I would be proud to have Obama as President, but even prouder to have Edwards as President.
Face it, no matter who is on the left, the right-wing media is going to smear him, as they are doing now to Obama. And no matter who is on the right, they are going to fawn over him, as they are doing to McCain has made more Iraq/military gaffes than Obama and Clinton combined, but the media only pays attention to the Dem miss-statements and even exaggerates them.
For example, if Clinton had said `100 Years` in somalia or Bosnia, imagine the hysteria these same cons would be in. This despite the fact neither of those conflicts compares to even a weekend in Iraq for US forces.
McCain is a pathetic loser who dumped the mother of his three children to marry for money, ******d around with lobbyists who he traded favors with, gave out earmarks to his favorites, and sold out our military and his soul for ultimate power. He`s a disgrace.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Lurch:
McCain is on the right?
XQZ me while I gag.
How about, "To the right of Obama," which is to say, along with the rest of humanity.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"I would be proud to have Obama as President, but even prouder to have Edwards as President."
--Wazzon! A fellow Edwards supporter. I'm cool with Clinton or Obama but Edwards was my first choice (I'm still in mourning). ;-(
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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"you know, just because we don't want Obama or Clinton for president does NOT mean that we think GW is peachy -- or even McCain, for that matter."
--I don't know...I guess it's the con tendency to fly into a defensive, reactionary rage whenever anyone criticizes Bush and the fact that you pilloried John Kerry for being a "flip flopper" in '04 (as if changing one's position on an issue is a fatal error and the mother of all deal breakers when it comes to electing a President) and now you're sheepishly (almost stealthily) gathering around McCain--(as if you think that if you're quiet about it now, no one will point out the fact that you change your principles the way Imelda Marcos changed shoes). In essence you re-elected Bush because you were somehow convinced that you could do worse (which is, by itself, a scary testament to your sound judgement).
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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We all know dumbya talks to god. Does he walk on water too?
http://pnews.org/ArT/EuR/GoD.shtml
http://escribbler.blogspot.com/2005/10/bush-tal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIIImiRDnF8
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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Hey, um...Globule? Reality check: Fully 70% of America realizes what you few remaining klingon cons still don't get--Bush is a lying murderous, thief and he and his administration are a cosmically tragic FAILURE. The only time you're gonna be among a signficant number of like-minded individuals is when you check into a mental institution or while watching FOX News with your fellow 28 percenters. Otherwise, you're always gonna be surrounded by "12 idiot-libs" (which everyone knows is just delusional con speak to describe anyone who disagrees with your point of view). Bush is like an aggressive insidious form of cancer and repairing his destruction will be hideous, terrifying, and excruciatingly painful--which, coincidentally, is exactly the way several hundred men have characterized their sexual encounters with Katherine Harris. But I digress... ;-x
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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More young people and first time voters are motivated as never before to cast a ballot. This will be a watershed election
Ya know I hear that every election cycle...... we shall see atfer it's over,,,,, good luck Obama, that is IF you are the one running, from what I've seen of late,, the fat lady has a sore throat and isn't singing just yet
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>He's silent on specifics.
If that's even ONE of your criteria, you're being hypocritical. Bush has been silent, or misleading, on just about EVERYTHING in this administration. He can't even tell us what "success in Iraq" is.
And if you call a man like Wright "racist" from a few comments you saw, but don't know a thing about all the good he's done over the years for his community - INCLUDING whites - then you're being a judgmental racist yourself. ESPECIALLY considering what this man has suffered at the hands of racism over the years.
The rest of your post is more gibberish.
Don't vote for Obama. Vote for McCain & get more of W's same old Sh!t.
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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Which looks something like this. It's not cartoons or parody.
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/01/24/t...
http://www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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That's pretty amazing. I haven't seen it put on paper like your first link.
Apparently the negging trio of mcarpentry, vidman04 & tanglang just can't handle the truth.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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I understand the need to make up lies and try to smear the only real chance at change we have had in this country since 1980...if you`re a corporate fascist.
Gimme a break. Still trying to beat the Hagee vs Wright dead horse? When are you going to wake up? McCain is the one chasing the prejudice hating preachers, Obama is the black guy, the one shoving them away. Shouldn`t be that hard to tell the difference.
McCain is the one who deserted his wife and mother of 3 children to gold-dig some young bimbo. No surprise that he was still playing the field with the lobbyist then in 2000 eh.
Since Michelle actually said she was `really` proud of her country for the first time, your lies are quite pathetic. Especially considering how you try to justify McCain`s 100 years comment by attacking other.
Obama is right, working Americans are ******ed, bitter, and completely frustrated with the system and especially the tools who defend it.
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scott42611 year, 8 months ago
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YOU keep dreamin'! You better get used to the idea of President Barack Hussein Obama.
And I can't wait to have the Bush crimes investigated (and perhaps EVEN prosecuted!)...FINALLY!
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Candida1 year, 8 months ago
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Do I understand correctly that it is impossible to pardon a crime until it is at least alleged? In that case, his pardons will have no effect on any investigation started after he leaves office. He and his buddies obviously won't admit their crimes just in order to pardon them.
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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That is why they have been trying to get their pet laws modified to become retroactively legal.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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But weren't you and your friend saying back in '06 that Nancy Pelosi would never be third in line for the Presidency?
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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President Barack Hussein Obama.
If that happens He'll be my president,, we will survive him,,, hopefully,,,,,
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Survive? You got it really bad don't ya?
I heard Bush would be implementing Marshal Law tomorrow...
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>there is no such thing as "Marshal Law!"
Marshal's going to be REAL upset about that. He was looking forward to having his own law.
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mesodude1 year, 8 months ago
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Huh? What?! Tangy, are you telling me you think that kissing a "terrorist" is worse than holding hands with Vicente Fox on international television and telling the world that we need more cheap immigrant labor here because Americans are lazy and don't want to work? I don't believe what I'm hearing. ;-P
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Obama isn't he the guy who In 1995, helped organize the Million Man March in Washington with anti-Semite and America-hating racist Louis Farrakhan. Presidential material I think not!
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>Obama isn't he the guy who In 1995, helped organize the Million Man March in Washington with anti-Semite and America-hating racist Louis Farrakhan. Presidential material I think not!
Not sure if he was involved, but to condemn a function that was designed to reaffirm men's commitments to their families & responsibilities because of 1 man's personal views on unrelated subjects is completely narrow-minded.
I have friends that actually participated in the march, and other friends that were park police at the time. They all said the march was very significant & a worthwhile event.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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Wow, pandering to the lunatic fringe, I wonder what his internal polling is telling him?
Guess labeling millions of small town Americans as Gun-toting Bible thumping Racist is taking a toll.
Perhaps he's just desperate to change the subject?
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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Only a fool believes this.
And, in case you haven't noticed, the worse things get, the more people DO want and obtain guns, and turn to religion. The old adage, "there are no atheists in a foxhole" seems to apply.
And calling him a racist is pure prevarication. Pointing out that many people - OF ALL RACES - tend to have apprehension of those different from themselves is not racist; it's the truth. Just because he's 1/2 black & his grandmother's white doesn't make his comments any more racist.
And judging from many of the posts on here from the likes of aniokly, with "We have been trying to civilize certain segments of society for 50 years" comment in FL Gun Bill, & saintettiene talking about getting illegal aliens to carry equipment, we all know how prevalent racism is on these boards, and it's a very real problem in this country.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"And calling him a racist is pure prevarication. Pointing out that many people - OF ALL RACES - tend to have apprehension of those different from themselves is not racist; it's the truth."
"OF ALL RACES - tend to have apprehension of those different from themselves is not racist;"
And if he had said that he might have had some wiggle room. But that's not what he said, is it.
"OF ALL RACES" Sorry he said SMALL Towns with no mention of race.
"tend to have" sorry he said ARE.
Now do you believe you can psychoanalyze millions of people you have never met and come to an all inclusive gun-toting bible thumping racist?
Do you believe Obama could do this?
Apparently Obama thinks he can, that is both arrogant and stupid.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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Truth is he, Obama, was only talking about Democrats that live in small towns, remember its still the primaries not the general election.
He thinks you democrats are gun-toting bible thumping racist.
Bet ya didn't even realize that did ya?
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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I have to respectfully disagree w/a few of your points:
>>"OF ALL RACES - tend to have apprehension of those different from themselves is not racist;"
>>And if he had said that he might have had some wiggle room. But that's not what he said, is it.
He was using his white grandmother as an example of peoples' apprehension. To limit his comments to ONLY whites seems to be a bit narrow minded, especially when applied to someone who speaks to the ills of racism as a whole.
And to believe that he's only talking to Democrats is a bit ludicrous. Even tho this is still primary season, this is a national campaign, even international judging from Clinton's & McCain's campaigning in Canada & Israel.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"He was using his white grandmother as an example of peoples' apprehension. To limit his comments to ONLY whites seems to be a bit narrow minded, especially when applied to someone who speaks to the ills of racism as a whole."
Uhm, where in the audio only tape of his San Francisco poll worker training session did he cite his grandmother?
The San Francisco audio tape was a "fly on the wall" of what is said and how it's said when the cameras are off. Have you actually listened to it? My guess is you haven't.
The charge of racism was his ABOUT the small town Dems in PA.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they
cling to guns (Gun-toting)
or religion (Bible thumping)
or antipathy toward people who aren't like them (does he mean not white? Claeify)
or anti-immigrant sentiment (sure sounds like he's calling them racist)
What do Dems in large towns or cities "cling" to when their bitter?
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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Only small town as compared to the rest of the USA is valid. Obama was talking about small town people in PA
What all this sounds like is rationalization to support un-supported assumptions.
Are you aware that religion and Guns are numbers 1 and 2 of the "Bill of Rights"
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>Now do you believe you can psychoanalyze millions of people you have never met
No, but we can see trends. And in difficult times, people tend to turn to religion, and in dangerous times (as implied by all the terrorist threats & increased violence) people tend to arm themselves. What, exactly, is wrong with someone pointing this out?
>>He thinks you democrats are gun-toting bible thumping racist.
This is just a ridiculous comment. But, then again, I've noticed that you like to twist things around to make ludicrous comments like this.
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"No, but we can see trends. And in difficult times, people tend to turn to religion, and in dangerous times (as implied by all the terrorist threats & increased violence) people tend to arm themselves. What, exactly, is wrong with someone pointing this out?"
Uhm what trend? Please cite the basis for this "trend"
How many of the millions of small town people (expanding it) have you talked to that have actually said they were bitter?
My guess is not many. Are you ASSUMING all these folks are bitter?
Have more churches/place of worship popped up in these small towns?
More than could be normal bases on population growth over the last 25 years?
"And in difficult times, people tend to turn to religion"
How bout gun sales?
Has there been an exceptional growth in gun sales in these small towns that is out of sink with America as a whole? Statistics please.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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What do you have against the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America?
Before the Conservatives America was a nation of laws and a government of checks & balances.
Now, we are just hated and mocked.
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miklkit1 year, 8 months ago
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This is what Barry said on this subject in 2004. It puts his 2008 statement in a different light.
http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/barack-...
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>This is what Barry said on this subject in 2004. It puts his 2008 statement in a different light.
See. That's only logical. We've known for years that the recent Republicans had to run on God, Guns & Gays to win - and everyone knows it, too. When Obama points it out, he's now labeled an elitist.
What complete & total BS. He's as much of an elitist as George W Bush is a competent, hard-working, blue-collar average citizen from a poor to moderate income family.
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Lincoln851 year, 8 months ago
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Obama has to be the biggest fool ever if he thinks he will get Bush on war crimes. I am still laughing about this. He is as likely to get Bush on war crimes as we are to get his pastor on racial hate crimes! I thought he was all about "CHANGE". Does not every new administration accuse or go after the previous...and that is very presumptious thinking he will be the next president. It will probably be the wife of the former boyfriend of Monica Lewinsky. Can't wait for that trainwreck again. By the way, did we ever resolve Clinton's warcrimes in regard to bombing an Iraq aspirin factory?...I know its not fair...just using the same bogus reasoning you are.
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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"By the way, did we ever resolve Clinton's warcrimes in regard to bombing an Iraq aspirin factory?"
Of the many missiles Clinton sent into Iraq none were targeting an aspirin factory. That was in the Sudan. Why are you so quick to belive the enemies of the United States when they tell you it was just an aspirin factory.
And the answer is--- the situation was resolve and Clinton was not charged with a war crime.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/khartoumbomb.html
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