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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"it has been a constant on Propeller.....any article backed by facts that is critical of either of the Democratic candidates and the cries of swiftboating soon appear"
Swiftboating, playing John Kerry's own words and images is somehow a lie.
Is it ignorance, envy or both that drives these Dems to cling to the façade that somehow Kerry's words are distorted.
Swift boating is the bitter pill of truth.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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INJEST:
"Swift boating is the bitter pill of truth."
Here are some more "bitter pills of truth"--this time about John McCain from the very Vietnam veterans you and SON are citing in this thread.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_r...
"McCain's grades were 'marginal.' He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958."
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com...
"Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents. Robert Timberg wrote that McCain's 'performance was below par, at best good enough to get by.'"
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Here are some more "bitter pills of truth"--this time about John McCain from the very Vietnam veterans you and SON are citing in this thread."
And how exactly could anything you or anyone else say that changes John Kerry's 1971 testimony?
Try and stay on topic.
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thestupidisallaroundus1 year, 7 months ago
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Big problem on this is that Kerry was telling what other vets had told him. Btw all of those claims was verified by indepedant sources. Obviously a lot of people have never heard about the Tiger Force unit of the Army's 101st Airborne Division who killed and mutiliated hundreds of unarmed and innocent South Vietnamese civilians over a seven month period in 1967. An army investigation substainted that 20 war crimes had been commited by 18 soldiers of the unit. This four year investigation reached the Pentagaon and the white house before the investigation was closed in 1975.
Funny how the US army, Marines, Navy all have been found to have conducted investigations into war crimes commited by US Military Personal during Vietnam and were closed when it was found that atrocities and war crimes had indeed been commited by US military forces. These investigations were conducted in secret and closed so no court martial could take place. Contray to the Geneva Conventions and US miltiary code.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm
"While he was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car's windshield and left seriously injured. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.
When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight."
In his book, The Nightingale's Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain's post-Vietnam military assignments and some of his "adulterous" behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley."
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com...
"McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land.
He assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path.
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and 'engage in extra-marital affairs.' This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates."
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 7 months ago
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All your anti-mcCain stuff seems to have nothing to do with this article. The point is that when you expose a lie of a candidate you are swift boating. McCain hasn't made up a story about his high grades, valor, purity etc. Some of what you say I've heard McCain himslef admit (5th from bottom of class). Do you realize that just to be admitted to the Naval Academy, you have to be near or at the top of your high school class and then some? His carousing and rejecting his first wife isn't something you'd expect him to brag about. Kerry certainly didn't brag about his marrying for money. Try another thread to criticize McCain.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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TIRED:
"Do you realize that just to be admitted to the Naval Academy, you have to be near or at the top of your high school class and then some?"
Not in McCain's case, which you would have known IF you had read the full articles written by Vietnam veterans that I posted. McCain was accepted because his father and grandfather were admirals. McCain was a "legacy child" accepted for whom he knew instead of for what he knew. In the same way, GW Bush was accepted into Yale's undergraduate and Harvard MBA program as a "legacy child," certainly not based on merit alone.
TIRED:
"when you expose a lie of a candidate you are swift boating."
Have you exposed Kerry as a liar? Where's your evidence? Kerry's story is supported by an OFFICIAL investigation by the armed forces and the first-hand testimony of those on his boat. The Swift Boaters only claim to have been in nearby boats but have no EVIDENCE to prove how close their boats were to Kerry's.
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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any article backed by facts>>>>
Facts? What would those 'articles' be? Could you do me a favor & point me to them? I seem to have missed that, but then I don't spend a whole lot of time searching. Anyway, I'd like to know what articles you mean, and read where people called them 'swiftboating.' You know, judge the accuracy of your comment with the 'facts.' Thanks so much.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
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The facts about Kerry's service are these:
1) An official investigation awarded Kerry a Purple Heart.
2) Almost all of the survivors on John Kerry's boat corroborated Kerry's story.
3) John McCain defended Kerry's service.
The facts about Bush and Cheney:
1) Cheney sought multiple deferments.
2) Bush was absentee, according to Gerald Lechliter, a "registered Independent" and "retired Army colonel with active Marine enlisted service."
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lec...
"The pay records prove Bush received unauthorized fraudulent payments for inactive duty training. Bush failed to meet the statutory and regulatory fiscal year satisfactory participation requirement. Bush's superiors in the National Guard failed to take required regulatory actions when Bushed missed required training and failed to take his flight physical. Bush did not meet the requirements for satisfactory participation from 1972 to 1973."
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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I THINK YOU ARE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF SWIFTBOATING AND WILL NOT SO EASILY FALL FOR IT. TO ME THIS IS A SILLY ATTEMPT TO BLAME THE VICTIMS FOR YOUR STUPID ACTIONS. AMERICA IS THE WISER NOW FROM HAVING ENDURES YOUR LIES, YOUR RUN FOR A SMALL TIME HAS COME TO AN END. IF YOU THINK YOU ON THE RIGHT ARE THE ONLY ONES PLAYING ROUGH THIS TIME AROUND THINK AGAIN! WE PLAN TO GIVE YOU AS GOOD AS WE GET. I HAVE SEEN THE STORIES POSTED HERE BY SOME OF YOU ON THE RIGHT CALLING IT LIGIMIT...OHLY A 4 YEAR OLD WOULD BUY THAT CRAP AND REMEMBER THEY ARE NOT VOTING!
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