Carter: Hamas will accept Israel »
Posted By MyWayOnNow 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsFormer US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
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engineer1 year, 6 months ago
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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How do you negotiate with people who will not allow anybody except Muslims to rule the whole of the land they have conquered?
Hamas charter - http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
Article Thirteen:
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There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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Since it's basically Israel giving up land (like it did with Gaza only to get rockets and missiles fired into it's neighborhoods and school yards), looks like the only thing Carter did was give a feeling of legitimacy to terrorists. Nothing new from Ol' Jimmy Boy here.
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injest1 year, 6 months ago
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"Carter is the only one who could do this! Let's give him a great hand"
Do what?
FTA
Carter: Hamas will accept Israel
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After Mr Carter's remarks, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stressed that Hamas would not formally recognise Israel.
In other words he accomplished NOTHING.
BTW Who the Flock told him to intervene on anyones behave?
We FIRED Carter in 1980 for good reasons. Who hired him back.
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tchef1 year, 6 months ago
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The problem as I see it is that neither side wants peace. The Palestinians keep shooting rockets into Israel and Israel keeps building settlements in Palestinian areas. Every time they even come close to peace one side or both do something to keep it from happening.
Carter did do the right thing by at least meeting with Hamas. You won't ever solve anything by not talking.
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The problem as I see it is that neither side wants peace.
The Israeli government have given in to many demands that the Palestinians made even giving them their own territory to rule. Every time they give them something the demands just go up. The ONLY solution acceptable to the Palestinians is to kill ALL Jews and take over the land.
What is interesting to to review how they came to be there anyway. In the 1830's there were just a few people living there. A smattering of Arabs and a larger group of Jews. The Zionist movement started and many more Jews moved to the land they have held for so long. Jews have lived there continuously for over 3000 years. Going into the 1930's the English had a Mandate created by the League of Nations for the express purpose of creating a Jewish state. At that time the area consisted of Israel, Jordan, and part of Syria.
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PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
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>>The Palestinians keep shooting rockets into Israel
While that's true, the Palestinian rocket attacks can be measured in the dozens per week, while the Israeli attacks can be measured in the HUNDREDS per week.
GOOGLE search on both Palestinian & Israeli deaths. You'll see some outrageous numbers - on the order of dozens, if not over a hundred Palestinians for every Israeli.
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> ...neither side wants peace. The Palestinians keep shooting rockets into Israel and Israel keeps building settlements in Palestinian areas.
If tomorrow Israel will remove ALL settlements, ALL military bases, ALL checkposts and will withdraw to the 1949 cease fire lines... WILL THERE BE PEACE?
If you're unsure read both Palestinian Charters.
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nikkibabe1 year, 6 months ago
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At least he talked instead showing hatred. Massive economic help to the region in building housing, schools, hospitals and other infrastructure will 'guide' these people away from hatred and violence.
Right now, most of these people have nothing to live for, which is the main reason they resort to violence and self immolation.
Keep your friends but talk to people who you believe are enemies.
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aceofspades11 year, 6 months ago
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Right now, most of these people have nothing to live for, which is the main reason they resort to violence and self immolation.
nikki - how do you feel if I answer this the same way you answered the passover posting - "WTF WHO CARES"?
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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What good does it do to talk to a group whose avowed aim is to kill all Jews? There is historic method of dealing with treaties going back to Muhammad. Muslims will make a treaty and stick to it until they have gathered forces to gain what they want by force. That is part of their religion.
I refer you to the following for a more complete understanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_a...
The Islamic concept is that eventually all the world will be Dar al Islam under Sharia law. Their religion tells them that is the only acceptable solution. Look at what is happening in Europe. Muslim immigrants are left alone to practice their religion in peace but they act like they are at war with the country they are in. Will they win and take over Europe? Will it take another person like King Charles the Hammer, who defeated the Muslims at tours in 732, to keep the Muslims in line?
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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"Massive economic help to the region in building housing, schools, hospitals and other infrastructure will 'guide' these people away from hatred and violence."
It doesn't seem to have been much of a check on Israeli hatred or violence. Are our Arab brothers so different from our Jewish ones?
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fempatriot1 year, 6 months ago
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Israel controls Gaza's electricity, water, and fuel supply. Israel will not allow Palestinians in Gaza to have building materials to rebuild their shattered buildings. There's no commerce, few jobs. Palestinians must pass through hundreds of military "checkpoints," often standing for hours waiting to be allowed in or out. Often they are not even allowed to take deathly ill people to a hospital. Women have had to give birth by the roadside. Israeli soldiers (IDF) are hostile, disrespectful, lording it over their imprisoned subjects. So do you wonder why Hamas was _democratically_ elected? It is the most extreme Palestinian party, designated "terrorist" by Israel & its pit bull, the USA, because it dares to try to fight back with a few paltry arms while the Israeli army is said to be the 3rd best equipped in the world. Gaza is one giant prison to 1.5 million people.
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm not holding my breath. There is a great likelihood that one or the other party will simply throw a monkey wrench into any peace effort believing they can win more by business as usual. But it just could happen, and if it does, all those who slammed carter should be ashamed of themselves. But they won't.
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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I think this pretty much ruins any last hope of Condi Rice for being selected as McCain`s VP.
Carter, on his own and over a weekend, solved what the Israelis called the greatest barrier to ME peace.
Well, come to think of it, common sense really has never been a part of the Republican decision-making process so who knows, maybe another failure on her part will guarantee Condi`s next promotion.
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ningyo1 year, 6 months ago
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neville chamberlin anyone?..after 30 years of bloodthirsty murder they are suddenly transformed because jimma asked them nice?..please..once again its all an act for the socialist dinosaur media to slobber over and weaken our current positions..they love carter because he is a virulent anti-semite who agrees with them about the destruction of isreal
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Bkumm1 year, 6 months ago
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Why, oh why, can't you do just a tiny bit of research before you type?
President Carter didn't "ask them to be nice" he asked if he could have something in writing from the Hamas leadership saying that Israel had a right to exist. How does that make him a "virulent anti-semite"? Of course Hamas isn't going to transform all at once, but the main sticking point in negotiations between Israel and Hamas has always been that Hamas would not acknowledge that Israel had a right to exist. It appears that President Carter has been able to get that concession from at least a major portion of the Hamas leadership. Isn't that a good thing?
What vested interest do you have in seeing the conflict in Palestine continue?
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
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I see plenty of possibility for good to come out of Carter's efforts with absolutely no down side.
None of those who have belittled Carters efforts in the above posts have suggested a down side.
So, folks, what's the hate Carter thing? Why dismiss possible progress with a silly comment such as "senile old fool" or "virulent anti-semite"?
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djn3nunez31 year, 6 months ago
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So, folks, what's the hate Carter thing?
First he didn't allow George Bush to remain the Head of the CIA when he took office. Then in October of that year he fired about 200 so called Bush Loyalist from the agency. Second he wanted to reduce our dependece on oil by actually conserving, something the oil producer couldn't handle. Third he wanted to mandate higher fuel effeceny standards for automakers. Another big no-no for the ultra-weathty auto makers. Congress also passed, with the support of the Carter Administration, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, providing for a special court order procedure to authorize electronic surveillance for intelligence purposes, activities that had previously been conducted based upon a claim of constitutional authority of the President.
Hence Carter is deniged at every turn in the corporate media.
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ningyo1 year, 6 months ago
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zuhri..a hamas spokesman , has already said "we appreciate the comments of pres carter but this doesnt mean that hamas will accept the results of any referendum"..this is the sort of idiotic diplomacy that jimma used to produce the middle east we have today..
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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of course they are not going to just sign any referendum. The Israelis tried that tactic before to thwart a peace agreement. They demanded unconditional surrender and gave nothing in return, then their friends in the right-wing media claimed the Palestinians were against peace.
Pathetic and transparent attempt to thwart a peace agreement, but it worked on the lemmings.
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ningyo1 year, 6 months ago
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the down side is that now in all of the "arab street" hamas now has the golden seal of approval from the great american president..he has given them the PR and resolve to continue their campaign to destroy isreal..thats a negative in my book
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Commodore11 year, 6 months ago
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Hamas is too arrogant & too psycho to accept Israel. They never will. Carter is just wishful thinking. Carter is unrealistic & naive. I'm sure the Palestinians were laughing at him behind his back just like the Soviets did when he was president. Now if Carter pulls this off and makes significant progress then more power to him. But I'm sure he's just making a fool out of himself again.
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jimdoze1 year, 6 months ago
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"The ex-president confessed to having had limited experience with enraged rabbits. He was unable to reach a definite conclusion about its state of mind. What was obvious, however, was that this large, wet animal, making strange hissing noises and gnashing its teeth, was intent upon climbing into the Presidential boat."
Seems to me that he made peace with the rabbit with an oar upside its head.
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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Only one word comes to mind GULLIBLE!
Who remembers this:
Solving the Korean Stalemate, One Step at a Time
By JIMMY CARTER
Published: October 11, 2006
Responding to an invitation from President Kim Il-sung of North Korea, and with the approval of President Bill Clinton, I went to Pyongyang and negotiated an agreement under which North Korea would cease its nuclear program at Yongbyon and permit inspectors from the atomic agency to return to the site to assure that the spent fuel was not reprocessed.
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mr2041 year, 6 months ago
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"Just hours after former President Jimmy Carter trumpeted Hamas' agreement to let Israel 'live as a neighbor,' the same terrorist leader he met with face-to-face vowed not to recognize the Jewish state."
Not only is Carter a "senile old fool" and a "virulent anti-semite", he's also smoking crack.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351953,00.html
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redLineRunner1 year, 6 months ago
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"Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal talks to reporters at a press conference Monday in Damascus, Syria, where he offered Israel a truce."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24235665
A 10 year truce. Much better than what we have today. At least the man is trying SOMETHING. Im amazed at how many people shoot down someone who is actively working towards peace Shouldnt that be a goal for all of us, or are we too mired in our war-loving culture?
Whether it happens or not, I praise the man for at least trying!
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> I praise the man for at least trying!
In this case, you should praise Israel much more. Not only did Israel offer Palestinians cease fire on multiple occasions, it RECOGNIZED their right to have a sovereign independent state 60 years ago... something your "trying man" still refuses to do.
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SpareChange1 year, 6 months ago
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Yawn, I'm so over this issue. My whole life it's the same thing.
Ultimatly, they're 2 siblings always arguing and bickering.
I know people are dying, but I don't think there's a solution that anyone from the outside, no matter how well intentioned, can make stick.
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Wolfie20071 year, 6 months ago
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Ditto on the senile old fool. Carter didn't make a mistake when he said Hamas said they would accept Israel, it was no mistake, he just lied. He has no grip on reality and that is what he wanted Hamas to say so he just acted like it was true. That is what happens to senile old fools who have no grip on reality they can believe what they want to believe. They shouldn't let him back into this country.
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salarysleuth1 year, 6 months ago
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I liked the post by "damnliberals". Not that I agree, but he started a conversation on the subject. It's funny though because it seems like most posts here refer to the others, or blame someone else. People are either referring to "damn liberals" or "christian conservatives", "neo-cons", or whatever ever else is the chosen phrase to assign a negative context to for the moment. I like hearing people's opinions, but sometimes it just feels like your watching a ping-pong match... not necessarily a discussion.
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