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Posted By MyWayOnNow 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsFormer US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
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Endoscopy1 year, 8 months ago
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How do you negotiate with people who will not allow anybody except Muslims to rule the whole of the land they have conquered?
Hamas charter - http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
Article Thirteen:
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There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.
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There is much more about how only the other religions can only be at peace while under Sharia law with Islam in control. That is basically the Islamic view of the world. The world of peace is that part under Sharia law and the world of war is everywhere else.
And if anybody thinks they don't mean it look at their history. How do you negotiate with people who view treaties as something to be broken after they gather their strength to fight?
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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"How do you negotiate with people who view treaties as something to be broken after they gather their strength to fight"
Ask the Native Americans they have lots of experience with a culture the did exactly that, broke every treaty.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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I've got some Native American blood flowing through my veins. It was mean of what America did to my ancestors, but, hey, my ancestors treated other tribes pretty creepy as well. And, although Cortez was a bastard, hey, thank the Great Spirit he arrived and put an end to vain heart carvings, proving that the sun would come up anyway. By the way. Way to go, Endoscopy. I KNOW the Jihadists will lie and say what you are presenting is a lie, and, of course, the Libs will believe them.
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StarLord1 year, 8 months ago
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The Jews were treated well by the Turks. Look up the meaning of the following word: dhimmis.
It means "people of the book", and is applied by moderate Islam to Christians and Jews, allowing them to worship as they please in private, and exempting them from public observance of the Moslem faith.
I have never noted such concessions from any Christian church which was the religion of 95% of hte people of any nation. Or does the Inquisition not ring a bell? I also seem to recall that the catholic Church, among others, expressly condemned such things as the separation of Chruch and State, the concept of democratic rule, the concept of a Bill of Rights, etc., etc., etc.
As far as I know, "Quanta Cura", the Papal Bull which did this condemning, has not been repealed.
Fundamentalist Islam is not alone in intolerance.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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> There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
That`s correct, but probably not in the sense you are thinking.
Jihad means `struggle`, firstly and foremostly personal struggle.
It`s pretty damn obvious by the fact that the Israelis have broken every peace accord, agreement, treaty, UN declaration or other to be decent neighbors and stop the apartheid. The Israelis assassinated their own PM who signed a peace accord. They attack their own military and police for dismantling two or three out of hundreds of illegal settlements. The Israelis claim the Palestinians are monsters and terrorists while the govt gives low-interest loans to illegal settlers who move into Palestinian territory.
The Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel in 2002 and again now.
The reason the Israel-before-America neocons are so upset is that this again brings the Israelis` lies to the light of day.
There are many good Israelis trying to stop the apartheid. BOL to them.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> It`s pretty damn obvious by the fact that the Israelis have broken every peace accord, agreement, treaty, UN declaration or other to be decent neighbors and stop the apartheid.
It's not so "obvious" to me. As far as I know Israel signed TWO peace agreements in the past, one with Egypt and the other with Jordan. Both are still in power.
Further, there is no and never was "apartheid" in Israel. All Israeli citizens have the very same equal rights guaranteed by Israeli laws.
> The Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel in 2002 and again now.
This is something new to me. I have a bit different information, namely that in September, 2000 the Palestinians walked out of peace negotiations and started a terrorist war that continues as we speak. in addition, both Palestinian Constitutions, the PLO Charter and the Hamas Charter call for destruction of Israel and declare that ANY settlement under ANY conditions is not acceptable.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Since it's basically Israel giving up land (like it did with Gaza only to get rockets and missiles fired into it's neighborhoods and school yards), looks like the only thing Carter did was give a feeling of legitimacy to terrorists. Nothing new from Ol' Jimmy Boy here.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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"Stolen" land justifies missiles and rockets fired willy nillie into neighborhoods from territory handed over in the hopes of achieving peace? Also, does it justify having Palestinian children brain-washed to hate through things like "Farfur", the Muslim Mickey Mouse seen to be beaten to death by a BLACK Israeli agent?
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injest1 year, 8 months ago
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"Carter is the only one who could do this! Let's give him a great hand"
Do what?
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Carter: Hamas will accept Israel
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After Mr Carter's remarks, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stressed that Hamas would not formally recognise Israel.
In other words he accomplished NOTHING.
BTW Who the Flock told him to intervene on anyones behave?
We FIRED Carter in 1980 for good reasons. Who hired him back.
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tchef1 year, 8 months ago
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The problem as I see it is that neither side wants peace. The Palestinians keep shooting rockets into Israel and Israel keeps building settlements in Palestinian areas. Every time they even come close to peace one side or both do something to keep it from happening.
Carter did do the right thing by at least meeting with Hamas. You won't ever solve anything by not talking.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"The leaders may not want peace, but I'd hazard their people do."
I found this to be very true in Israel where even many soldiers in the military are sick and tired of the Israeli government's stance and actions taken. It's too bad the power's not in the hands of the people.
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Redneck1 year, 8 months ago
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THE PEOPLE know the truth. There will be no peace as long as Hamas and such groups exist. Their intend is clear and the ONLY solution they will settle for is the complete annihilation of Israel. Do the People like it? NO! But do they want their leaders to let Hamas take over?
"Peace will not come until the PLO (and all others) love their children more than they hate Israel."
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> the question is, what are the terrorists running the Israeli govt going to do/say.
There is no question about it. The democratically elected Israeli government already recognized each and every Arab state 60 years ago. It will gladly recognize an Arab Palestinian state, too, the day it will be established.
Unfortunately, Hamas DID NOT agree to recognize Israel yet.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Israel has never agreed to recognize an independent Palestine and you know it.
Every time that discussion has arisen, Israel has placed restrictions into the agreement and then followed up with more invasions of Pal Territory, aka settlements.
Even the illegal settlements by Israeli laws are supported by the very govt that claims they are illegal. They provide low-interest loans to the illegals, they pave the roads for the illegals, they build the schools and pay for the teachers for the children of the illegals, and the army protects the illegals.
Israel has zero intention of allowing the creation of the State of Palestine, and that`s the fact.
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StarLord1 year, 8 months ago
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This is mostly true. However, there are several extremist groups in Israel, including parties with representation in the Knesset, that advocate a "Greater Israel" idea, with Biblical connotation, stretching potentially through Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and into Egypt.
Here's a few:
National Union/National Religious Party
Shas
Likud
UTJ
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> there are several extremist groups in Israel, including parties with representation in the Knesset, that advocate a "Greater Israel" idea, with Biblical connotation, stretching potentially through Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and into Egypt.
Can you show us a couple of links to the political programs of these Israeli parties where they advocate a "Greater Israel" idea, with Biblical connotation, stretching potentially through Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and into Egypt? Somehow I doubt that this is the case and such links would be of a great help to you... with all due respect of course.
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StarLord1 year, 8 months ago
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Watch the sarcasm.
Unfortunately, the parties' websites are all in Hebrew, which is fair enough. However, there is no "English" page for any of the parties involved. While second and third parties are not ordinarily considered to be reliable, they are all that is available, for those of us who do not speak Hebrew.
Likud, considered to be a moderate party within Israel, loses no opportunity (press statements: http://www.likud.nl/) to slam any idea of any Palestinian state. Further, I find it interesting that a political party dedicated solely to Israel is permitted to exist within the Netherlands without comment, and people instead focus on the various Muslim political parties within Europe.
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Endoscopy1 year, 8 months ago
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The problem as I see it is that neither side wants peace.
The Israeli government have given in to many demands that the Palestinians made even giving them their own territory to rule. Every time they give them something the demands just go up. The ONLY solution acceptable to the Palestinians is to kill ALL Jews and take over the land.
What is interesting to to review how they came to be there anyway. In the 1830's there were just a few people living there. A smattering of Arabs and a larger group of Jews. The Zionist movement started and many more Jews moved to the land they have held for so long. Jews have lived there continuously for over 3000 years. Going into the 1930's the English had a Mandate created by the League of Nations for the express purpose of creating a Jewish state. At that time the area consisted of Israel, Jordan, and part of Syria.
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Endoscopy1 year, 8 months ago
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Starting then as the Jewish community increased dramatically the Arabs responded by sending in more Arabs. WW2 started and the Arabs found a common cause with the Nazis in that Hitlers final solution was music to the Muslims ears.
After the war the Mandate was taken up by the UN. Brittan created a Jewish state and a Muslim state under the UN by dividing the land at the Jordan river. The created Israel and Trans Jordan now shortened to Jordan. Keep in mind that the West Bank was part of Israel as it was created.
In 1948 The Muslims attacked the Jewish state of Israel. Jordan kept the west bank as part of the result of the war. Many of the Muslims who had moved there starting in 1930 ran away as ordered by the invading Muslims who were going to drive the Jews into the sea and kill them there.
Relative newcomers claiming the land that they moved into starting in the 1930's. They claim they own it.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"The problem is the current Palestinians do not know or care about that part of their history. "
The problem is that you cherry pick your history to make it seem like the Israeli government is always the victim when it's the Palestinian people who have suffered the most after being put in resettlement camps decades ago and who remain there today.
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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Cherry pick nothing, he made stuff up:
"A smattering of Arabs "
Jews moved to the land they have held for so long"
"express purpose of creating a Jewish state."
"Brittan created a Jewish state and a Muslim state under the UN"
"ran away as ordered by the invading Muslims"
"Preferably with all Jews dead."
All commonly spout propaganda, revisionist history either by design or plain lazyness or stupidity, to do proper research.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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You have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you do not know the history over there.
The Zionists were using terror long before WWII to drive out the Arabs and take over current-day Israel.
The history you forget is that the Palestinians lived there and were driven off their lands, their farms stolen, their homes bulldozed, their children killed, with no compensation whatsoever. Now, they are treated worse than dogs in the world`s largest prison-slums.
If you had all that stolen from you and had no hope of anything better than the receiving end of apartheid without a struggle aka Jihad, what would you do?
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...the Palestinians lived there and were driven off their lands...
As a matter of fact, Palestinians were unknown to the world until the late 1960s. According to the Ottoman population records there were many people living in Israel. There were Arabs, Jews, Druzes, Kirkassians, Armenians... even Russians but no 'Palestinians'.
> If you had all that stolen from you and had no hope of anything better than the receiving end of apartheid without a struggle aka Jihad, what would you do?
I would try to negotiate a better deal that would give me peace, an independent sovereign state and all kinds of help coming from US, Israel, Europe and other places.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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>I would try to negotiate a better deal that would give me peace, an independent sovereign state and all kinds of help coming from US, Israel, Europe and other places
The Pals tried that. After giving in, they got nothing but more invasions (settlements) into their land.
* The United States' current attempts to promote a Middle-East peace process, like all those they have promoted since 1967, are based on three faulty principles.
* Firstly, that a peace process should be based on the balance of power in the area, even though the imbalance of power between Israel and the Palestinians is now wider than ever before.
* Secondly, that a peace process should start with the ability of the stronger party, Israel, to form a consensus within its own society, even though this will crucially limit the range of possibilities then available for negotiation with the Palestinians.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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* And thirdly, that each attempt at peace can be seen as beginning from scratch, as if nothing had been tried before. At best the issues are seen as dating back to the late 1960s and are limited to the disposal of the areas occupied by Israel after the June 1967 war.
* But the roots of the problem go further back, to another less-recognised war in 1948 when the Israelis expelled 250,000 Palestinians from their homelands and asserted control over Jerusalem.
* This is not to say that the current Palestinian position necessarily contains the exclusive ingredients for peace. But it is clearly impossible to talk of genuine negotiations without both sides being considered as equal partners and the roots of the conflict being at least acknowledged.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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* The failure to see the need for this has frustrated all previous US attempts to resolve the dispute, leading to the collapse of the Oslo initiative in the violence of 1995 and the renewed Intifada in 2000.
* Unless the US can now begin to pay attention to the lessons of history, this new round of peace talks will not only end in failure, but the hopes currently aroused will turn once again into despair, fury and a renewed wave of violence and devastation.
http://www.historyandpolicy.org/papers/policy-p...
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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Let me put it in very simple terms for you:
One side can start a war. Two sides are needed for peace. As long as the Arabs in general and the Palestinian Arabs, in particular, REJECT any peaceful settlement (read their Charters) there will be no peace, the war will continue and with it the occupation, the checkposts and the misery of the Palestinian people.
The only way to achieve peace is by a mutually acceptable negotiated settlement. The only way to achieve such settlement is by peace negotiations. The only way to achieve successful negotiations is by stopping violence and agreeing to negotiate KNOWING that both sides are willing and able to comply with the terms of the future agreement.
No amount of complaints about the results of wars the Arabs started 60 years ago or later will change this simple truth.
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fempatriot1 year, 8 months ago
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Most of today's "Jews" are Ashkenazi, whose ancestors _converted_ to Judaism around 740 A.D. and who are of Turkish, not Semitic classification. (Arabs are Semites) The Ashkenazis left southern Turkey a few hundred years later, and spread into southern Russia, western Europe, and had _never_ lived in the Palestinian/Judah/Israel area. The Zionist movement has poisoned this people's chance of ever getting along with Gentiles (non-Jews) because it preaches that Jews must live in a segregated, designated area (Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Iraq) ruled only by Judaism. Clannish to the nth degree. Even though most Jews support Israel wholeheartedly, they do not live there, having lived and _prospered_ all over the world.
Israel wants the Palestinians OUT.
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PapaWolf1 year, 8 months ago
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>>The Palestinians keep shooting rockets into Israel
While that's true, the Palestinian rocket attacks can be measured in the dozens per week, while the Israeli attacks can be measured in the HUNDREDS per week.
GOOGLE search on both Palestinian & Israeli deaths. You'll see some outrageous numbers - on the order of dozens, if not over a hundred Palestinians for every Israeli.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> You'll see some outrageous numbers - on the order of dozens, if not over a hundred Palestinians for every Israeli.
Apparently, not enough Palestinians are being killed for their leaders to ask for peace. To the contrary, Palestinian leadership is doing everything it can for the killings to continue.
On the other hand, since the beginning of the terrorist war Arafat started back in September, 2000 TWO (2!) Palestinians were killed during an average day. Considering that Israel (as someone here claimed) has the third most powerful and best equipped army on the planet this number (TWO per day) is pretty low, is not it?
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...neither side wants peace. The Palestinians keep shooting rockets into Israel and Israel keeps building settlements in Palestinian areas.
If tomorrow Israel will remove ALL settlements, ALL military bases, ALL checkposts and will withdraw to the 1949 cease fire lines... WILL THERE BE PEACE?
If you're unsure read both Palestinian Charters.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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The only problem here is that you have no clue of what you're talking about. For your education, first read some history about the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt and how Israel voluntarily removed all settlements in Sinai and how it returned Sinai to the Palestinians.
Then read some history about Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and and how Israel voluntarily removed all settlements there and how it gave Gaza to the Egyptians.
Finally, read both Palestinian Charters and then, hopefully, you'll be able to answer my question:
If tomorrow Israel will remove ALL settlements, ALL military bases, ALL checkposts and will withdraw to the 1949 cease fire lines... WILL THERE BE PEACE?
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StarLord1 year, 8 months ago
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Even Churchill acknowledged that most of the time, diplomacy is the best way of dealing with opponents.
"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events." - Winston Churchill.
"To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day." - Winston Churchill.
"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak, Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." - Winston Churchill.
"One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once 'The Unnecessary War'" - Winston Churchill.
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nikkibabe1 year, 8 months ago
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At least he talked instead showing hatred. Massive economic help to the region in building housing, schools, hospitals and other infrastructure will 'guide' these people away from hatred and violence.
Right now, most of these people have nothing to live for, which is the main reason they resort to violence and self immolation.
Keep your friends but talk to people who you believe are enemies.
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aceofspades11 year, 8 months ago
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Right now, most of these people have nothing to live for, which is the main reason they resort to violence and self immolation.
nikki - how do you feel if I answer this the same way you answered the passover posting - "WTF WHO CARES"?
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"Right now, most of these people have nothing to live for, which is the main reason they resort to violence and self immolation."
What garbage. The Palestinians have had every chance to live in Israel like any other citizen.
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Some fact about Israel
Muslims live and work in and among the Jews.
10% if the Knisset (their Parliment) is Muslim.
A supreme court Justice is a Muslim.
All road signs, currency, stamps, etc are in Hebrew, English, and Arabic.
Muslims serve in the Israeli Defense Force.
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With the above facts why do the Palestinians live apart and not be part of the country that they immigrated to in the 1930's.
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fempatriot1 year, 8 months ago
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Israel also has coded license plates and IDs that designate whether one is a true Jew or something else. And those Palestinians in the Israeli Knesset have NO say in what's going on between Israel and the Palestinian people. When Israel was created, it was given 78% of the land; the Palestinians were given 22%. Since then, the Israelis have encroached little by little into Palestinian lands, letting their radical "settlers" built multi-million dollar homes guarded by the Israeli army right in the midst of every Palestinian piece of ground. Now Israel is building a wall to end all walls--20 feet high, with underground sensors, above ground barriers that comprise a wall about 20 ft. thick to keep the Palestinians _imprisoned_. Many Palestinians do live and work in Israel proper, but Israel also imports much overseas "alien help" and then deports them after a certain length of time. Israel= a Jewish state.
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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When Israel was created, it was given 78% of the land; the Palestinians were given 22%.
Actually the plan called for he Jewish state to receive 56% of Palestine. The newly formed Israel captured the remaining 22%.
The British refused to implement the Plan, choosing to end their mandate on May 15, 1948.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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I'm not sure what you're talking about and I'm not sure YOU know what you're talking about. To get a clue please consider that Arab terrorism existed and hundreds of Israelis were murdered by Palestinian terrorists prior to ANY settlements and prior to the inventions of the Palestinians themselves.
You see, the Palestinian Liberation Organization that became the largest and most dangerous international terrorist organization on the planet was founded in 1964 when Israel was within the 1949 cease fire lines and when there were no settlements and no occupation whatsoever.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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To test your knowledge, please consider that the pro-Israel zionists were using terror to murder and attempt to silence or drive away the Arab Palestinians from the Palestine Territory long before WWII or the holocaust or the PLO.
Now consider that the democratically-elected government of Palestine has once again offered to recognize the Israeli nation.
The ball is in the Israeli court. Let`s pressure them to do the right thing.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...pro-Israel zionists were using terror to murder and attempt to silence or drive away the Arab Palestinians from the Palestine Territory long before WWII or the holocaust or the PLO.
But of course! Hebron massacre and and Jerusalem massacre of 1929 and 1930 are just two examples. The PLO was the first INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION on the planet.
> Now consider that the democratically-elected government of Palestine has once again offered to recognize the Israeli nation.
No, it did not. This is what the article we're discussing here says:
>>After Mr Carter's remarks, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stressed that Hamas would not formally recognise Israel.
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/04/21/c...
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djn3nunez31 year, 8 months ago
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That still plays to the propagandist. The fighting and ethinic cleansing began soon after the UN Vote in Nov of 47, and all the Arab nation sent regulars into Palestine before Israel declared her independence. Jordan specifically ordered it's troops not to invade the Israeli sid of the planned partition. By the time they declared independence they contolled more than the 56% granted by the UN.
The Arabs couldn't very well declare war before Israeli independenced now could they. However they were at war already.
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aceofspades11 year, 8 months ago
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Tessylo-I certainly said what I said about you in a public thread - I don't deny that because you ARE a closet anti-semite as proved by your positions on blatantly open anti-semetic postings.
You are too paranoid to accept private messages where these matters could be spoken about outside of this forum.
Nothing hypocritical about me I stand by what I say.
What makes you think I would deny it? I want the world to know you for what you are.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Now Israel is building a wall to end all walls--20 feet high, with underground sensors, above ground barriers that comprise a wall about 20 ft. thick to keep the Palestinians _imprisoned_.
As a matter of fact, YOU keep the entire world _imprisoned_ by locking the doors of your room to keep unwelcome strangers out.
> Many Palestinians do live and work in Israel proper...
Not anymore. Since September, 2000 almost all Palestinians lost their jobs in Israel thanks to the terrorist war they've started then and that continues as we speak.
> ...but Israel also imports much overseas "alien help" and then deports them after a certain length of time. Israel= a Jewish state.
Yes, Israel is a Jewish state, Japan is a Japanese state, Russia is a Russian state and Italy is an Italian state. In addition, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Sudan, 10 more countries are ARAB states... and all of them do not allow foreigners to settle there.
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aceofspades11 year, 8 months ago
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"Right now, most of these people have nothing to live for, which is the main reason they resort to violence and self immolation
Endo - nikkibabe said that not me - it was my reply WTF WHO CARES - because that is what she said about the Passover story posted yesterday - guess you didn't read it or understand what I was doing
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What good does it do to talk to a group whose avowed aim is to kill all Jews? There is historic method of dealing with treaties going back to Muhammad. Muslims will make a treaty and stick to it until they have gathered forces to gain what they want by force. That is part of their religion.
I refer you to the following for a more complete understanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_a...
The Islamic concept is that eventually all the world will be Dar al Islam under Sharia law. Their religion tells them that is the only acceptable solution. Look at what is happening in Europe. Muslim immigrants are left alone to practice their religion in peace but they act like they are at war with the country they are in. Will they win and take over Europe? Will it take another person like King Charles the Hammer, who defeated the Muslims at tours in 732, to keep the Muslims in line?
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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> What good does it do to talk to a group whose avowed aim is to kill all Jews?
Read the article. Read all the other articles like it over the last decades when the Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel, agreed to a peace accord, etc.
It was the Israelis who broke the peace and their promises by continuing to invade into Pal territory.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> It was the Israelis who broke the peace and their promises by continuing to invade into Pal territory.
First, as of now Israel signed peace agreements with TWO Arab states, Egypt and Jordan. Both these agreements are still current.
Second, Palestinians DID NOT agree to "recognize Israel". If you don't think so read both Palestinian Constitutions, the PLO Charter and the Hamas Charter.
Finally, third, there is no "Pal territory". Territory can either belong to states or be privately owned. There is no "Pal state" yet and the Palestinian Arabs who privately own land continue to own it.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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First, Oslo. Look it up.
Second, the Palestinians have agreed to recognize Israel in return for Israel recognizing them and returning to the 1967 borders. Apparently unacceptable on Israel`s part.
Third, when Britain allies first divided the original Palestinian territory and gave 56% or so to Israel, what do you think they called the other part? And who do they decree that belonged to?
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Oslo. Look it up.
Oh yes, Oslo... Did not Arafat end Oslo in Camp David?
> the Palestinians have agreed to recognize Israel in return for Israel recognizing them and returning to the 1967 borders.
Actually, Israel recognized Palestinians back in 1948 when it agreed to the UN Partition Resolution that was supposed to create an Arab state in Palestine... but the Arab rejected it.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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You`re right, 2000 was not when the Palestinians first recognized Israel. They actually recognized Israel the first time in 1993.
Of course there were parties such as Hamas that at that time still did not recognize Israel.
Any idea why they might not want to recognize Israel? I know this means taking the next logical step, but by taking the next logical step you will start to see both sides of the conflict.
> Actually, Israel recognized Palestinians back in 1948 when it agreed to the UN Partition Resolution that was supposed to create an Arab state in Palestine... but the Arab rejected it.
Of course the Israelis recognized it. Without recognizing it they would not have gotten their homeland. And naturally the Palestinians did not accept it because they lost their homes, land, businesses and no fair compensation. We Americans would feel the same.
So what is your point?
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Any idea why they might not want to recognize Israel?
Of course. Here is what the Palestinians say in their Charter:
>> Article 21: The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/22573.htm
I told you, read the Charter. A lot of answers to your question will be found there.
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> ...when Britain allies first divided the original Palestinian territory and gave 56% or so to Israel, what do you think they called the other part? And who do they decree that belonged to?
I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you're talking about. First, 80% of the "original Palestinian territory" was given to Jordan (it was called Transjordan then).
Second, it was the UN (and not "Britain allies") that OFFERED to divide the remaining 20% of Palestine creating two states there, one with a Jewish majority and the other with an Arab majority. As I've said the Jews accepted it thus recognizing the Palestinians, and the Arabs rejected it, started a war and lost.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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It was British territory and it was Britain who had been considering the move based on intense Jewish lobbying since at latest the 1920s.
The war was started, and the Arabs lost. The Israelis gained territory calling it a defensive buffer zone. Good.
That was then, this is now.
Fatah, Hamas, and all the major parties on the Palestinian side have agreed to recognize Israel.
The question is what is Israel going to do?
Will they sabotage the next peace discussions by making obscene demands like they did last time?
Or, will they come to the table in a sincere manner and negotiate for peace? (hopefully they won`t kill their PM this time too)
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Fatah, Hamas, and all the major parties on the Palestinian side have agreed to recognize Israel.
Apparently, you still did not read their Charters, did you? Read them, you will be surprised.
> The question is what is Israel going to do?
I've already told you. Israel recognized each and every Arab state (including the Arab Palestinian state that never was) back in 1948.
Now it's the turn of the Palestinian Arabs and the rest of the Arab world to recognize Israel and sign peace agreements with it. Egypt and Jordan already did it. I can guarantee you that Israel will not refuse.
> Will they sabotage the next peace discussions by making obscene demands like they did last time?
Hopefully not... but, unfortunately, they continue their obscene demands. Demanding Israel to withdraw to the 1949 cease fire lines and allowing every Palestinian willing to do so to settle in Israel are only two examples of such demands.
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"Massive economic help to the region in building housing, schools, hospitals and other infrastructure will 'guide' these people away from hatred and violence."
It doesn't seem to have been much of a check on Israeli hatred or violence. Are our Arab brothers so different from our Jewish ones?
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Israel controls Gaza's electricity, water, and fuel supply. Israel will not allow Palestinians in Gaza to have building materials to rebuild their shattered buildings. There's no commerce, few jobs. Palestinians must pass through hundreds of military "checkpoints," often standing for hours waiting to be allowed in or out. Often they are not even allowed to take deathly ill people to a hospital. Women have had to give birth by the roadside. Israeli soldiers (IDF) are hostile, disrespectful, lording it over their imprisoned subjects. So do you wonder why Hamas was _democratically_ elected? It is the most extreme Palestinian party, designated "terrorist" by Israel & its pit bull, the USA, because it dares to try to fight back with a few paltry arms while the Israeli army is said to be the 3rd best equipped in the world. Gaza is one giant prison to 1.5 million people.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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SA did not end their apartheid without a struggle, and with the oppressors receiving the support of millions of racists around the world, you tell me, how on earth do you think the Palestinians are going to achieve peace?
(they used to say by accepting Israel`s right to exist...can hardly wait to hear the excuse now)
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> you tell me, how on earth do you think the Palestinians are going to achieve peace?
I've already told you: by stopping violence and asking for peace negotiations. Further, comparison with SA is invalid for the simple reason that the racist regime in SA separated (from here comes 'apartheid') its Black citizens from the White citizens.
Israel DID NOT separate anyone. Palestinian Arabs never lived in Israel and never were Israeli citizens.
One may talk about "apartheid" in the US because it does not allow Cubans, for example, free access into the country. One may also argue that the Cubans have no other choice but to fight this "apartheid" by killing thousands of American civilians. Will the US open its borders in response to such actions of Cubans, in your opinion?
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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> Israel DID NOT separate anyone. Palestinian Arabs never lived in Israel and never were Israeli citizens.
Actually, someone else pointed out on this board the 10% of all `Israelis` are Arabs.
As for the Arab Palestinians, they are treated like dogs by the Israelis, locked up in walled slums, only allowed to leave or do business with outsiders with proper papers.
Israel has separated Pal from Israeli and Pal from Pal. You might want to take a look at the 20` fence or the guard stations.
Your Cuba-US analogy makes no sense - two sovereign and separate countries.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...someone else pointed out on this board the 10% of all `Israelis` are Arabs.
If he/she did so he/she, probably, confused Israel with France. The fact is that more than 20% of all Israelis are Arabs. About 10% of all French citizens are Arabs, too, and this should, apparently, be a reason for you to complain about apartheid in France.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Israel has separated Pal from Israeli and Pal from Pal. You might want to take a look at the 20` fence or the guard stations.
As I've said Israel had to do it in order to prevent Palestinians from entering Israel illegally. The alternative would be to shoot them while they're making such attempts.
> Your Cuba-US analogy makes no sense - two sovereign and separate countries.
So is Israel and the Palestinians. Israel is a sovereign and separate country. If the Palestinian do not want to have one it does not mean that Israel should allow them in. Palestinians have territory, a President, a Prime Minister, a government, a parliament, a budget; they have police, armed forces, elections... in short each and every attribute of a state.
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I'm not holding my breath. There is a great likelihood that one or the other party will simply throw a monkey wrench into any peace effort believing they can win more by business as usual. But it just could happen, and if it does, all those who slammed carter should be ashamed of themselves. But they won't.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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I think this pretty much ruins any last hope of Condi Rice for being selected as McCain`s VP.
Carter, on his own and over a weekend, solved what the Israelis called the greatest barrier to ME peace.
Well, come to think of it, common sense really has never been a part of the Republican decision-making process so who knows, maybe another failure on her part will guarantee Condi`s next promotion.
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GWHayduke1 year, 8 months ago
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Condi would be the caboose to that train wreck.
She is nothing more than a mouthpiece to the failed strategies initiated by Cheney & Rummy.
EVERY military leader and senior diplomat in the region has agreed that the situation in Iraq CANNOT be won with a military victory, but only through diplomatic efforts.
What has Condi done? Nothing. A so-called expert in ME affairs, she has thrown up her hands in a diplomatic surrender. A cut & runner, if you will.
Funny thing is, many folks here see all ME strife as alleviated only through the extermination of the opposition, just like Condi.
Jimmy is a true diplomat, and an honorable Christian.
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ningyo1 year, 8 months ago
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neville chamberlin anyone?..after 30 years of bloodthirsty murder they are suddenly transformed because jimma asked them nice?..please..once again its all an act for the socialist dinosaur media to slobber over and weaken our current positions..they love carter because he is a virulent anti-semite who agrees with them about the destruction of isreal
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
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Why, oh why, can't you do just a tiny bit of research before you type?
President Carter didn't "ask them to be nice" he asked if he could have something in writing from the Hamas leadership saying that Israel had a right to exist. How does that make him a "virulent anti-semite"? Of course Hamas isn't going to transform all at once, but the main sticking point in negotiations between Israel and Hamas has always been that Hamas would not acknowledge that Israel had a right to exist. It appears that President Carter has been able to get that concession from at least a major portion of the Hamas leadership. Isn't that a good thing?
What vested interest do you have in seeing the conflict in Palestine continue?
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The situation in Afghanistan was created by the Soviets, when they invaded Afghanistan. Later by our government, when we continued to build pipelines (to get to their neighbors oil) through Afghanistan, while the Taliban kept maintaining they didn't want any foreign troops & foreign interference on their land after they ousted the Soviets.
The Taliban has been the main driving force in Afghanistan & the mountain areas between Afghanistan & Pakistan and have been fighting invaders on their land since years.
They hate foreign interference on their land. Baitullah Mahsood is the current Taliban leader in the mountain areas between Afg. & Pak. Their main goal is to get rid of foreign troops on their land & I doubt they would ever give up on their goal.
Carter isn't really to blame for the situation in Afghanistan. But the Soviets & Reagan, definetly yes.
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crghss1 year, 8 months ago
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Right story wrong people. Taliban was created by Wahhibi Islam and some nut jobs let over from the USSR-Afghan war in the '90's. Ethnic Pashtuns are the people living in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan for thousands of years.
"Their main goal is to get rid of foreign troops on their land"
Then way did they fly 4 planes in a direct attack on the USA. We weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan when The Africa Embassy bombings, USS Cole and WTC terrorist attacks took place.
Why Reagan what did he do? Beside he was out of office when the Taliban was formed.
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Remember that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979 because the Afghan Socialist regime that was formed after the 1978 revolution was not going according to plan. British historian Fred Halliday claims that meddling in Afghanistan by the Shah's Iran was partly to blame.
Who would doubt that if there was any interference in Afghan internal affairs in 1978 by Iran that it was going on without the full knowledge of the Carter Administration?
Only in that way could you hypothesize that Carter had anything to do with the ill-fated invasion by Soviet forces in December 1979 -- an invasion from which the wretched Afghans have never fully recovered.
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"he created the situation that exists in Afghanistan now through his Peter Pan lala
Truth be know there ace, Carter was the one who reversed the policy of Detente established by Nixon and Ford.
http://polisci.ucsd.edu/~bslantch/courses/nss/l...
The situatution in Afghanistan was created after the Solviets were driven out and then the country was ignored by Reagan, Bush, and Clinton. Clinton paid attention only because it became bin Ladens base of operation.
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I see plenty of possibility for good to come out of Carter's efforts with absolutely no down side.
None of those who have belittled Carters efforts in the above posts have suggested a down side.
So, folks, what's the hate Carter thing? Why dismiss possible progress with a silly comment such as "senile old fool" or "virulent anti-semite"?
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So, folks, what's the hate Carter thing?
First he didn't allow George Bush to remain the Head of the CIA when he took office. Then in October of that year he fired about 200 so called Bush Loyalist from the agency. Second he wanted to reduce our dependece on oil by actually conserving, something the oil producer couldn't handle. Third he wanted to mandate higher fuel effeceny standards for automakers. Another big no-no for the ultra-weathty auto makers. Congress also passed, with the support of the Carter Administration, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, providing for a special court order procedure to authorize electronic surveillance for intelligence purposes, activities that had previously been conducted based upon a claim of constitutional authority of the President.
Hence Carter is deniged at every turn in the corporate media.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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Carter also fought against the oil companies and OPEC during the worst oil crisis in our history.
That is until the Bush admin. Since 2001 oil prices have risen at a faster rate than they rose during the Carter admin. However, unlike Carter, instead of fighting the gaugers, Bush embraces them (literally kissing some of their princes on their bearded mouths) and gives the record-profit gauging oil companies billions in tax handouts.
Oh yeah, but let`s hate Carter and give Dubya another pass.
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ningyo1 year, 8 months ago
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zuhri..a hamas spokesman , has already said "we appreciate the comments of pres carter but this doesnt mean that hamas will accept the results of any referendum"..this is the sort of idiotic diplomacy that jimma used to produce the middle east we have today..
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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of course they are not going to just sign any referendum. The Israelis tried that tactic before to thwart a peace agreement. They demanded unconditional surrender and gave nothing in return, then their friends in the right-wing media claimed the Palestinians were against peace.
Pathetic and transparent attempt to thwart a peace agreement, but it worked on the lemmings.
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ningyo1 year, 8 months ago
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the down side is that now in all of the "arab street" hamas now has the golden seal of approval from the great american president..he has given them the PR and resolve to continue their campaign to destroy isreal..thats a negative in my book
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Hamas is too arrogant & too psycho to accept Israel. They never will. Carter is just wishful thinking. Carter is unrealistic & naive. I'm sure the Palestinians were laughing at him behind his back just like the Soviets did when he was president. Now if Carter pulls this off and makes significant progress then more power to him. But I'm sure he's just making a fool out of himself again.
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"The ex-president confessed to having had limited experience with enraged rabbits. He was unable to reach a definite conclusion about its state of mind. What was obvious, however, was that this large, wet animal, making strange hissing noises and gnashing its teeth, was intent upon climbing into the Presidential boat."
Seems to me that he made peace with the rabbit with an oar upside its head.
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nostalgia1 year, 8 months ago
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Only one word comes to mind GULLIBLE!
Who remembers this:
Solving the Korean Stalemate, One Step at a Time
By JIMMY CARTER
Published: October 11, 2006
Responding to an invitation from President Kim Il-sung of North Korea, and with the approval of President Bill Clinton, I went to Pyongyang and negotiated an agreement under which North Korea would cease its nuclear program at Yongbyon and permit inspectors from the atomic agency to return to the site to assure that the spent fuel was not reprocessed.
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nostalgia1 year, 8 months ago
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I guess it depends on your perspective
The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor. However, the agreement was flawed and lacked even the most informal means of verification.
In return, Kim elected to starve his people while using the American aid to build uranium bombs. The lowest estimate is that Kim starved to death over 1 million of his own people, even with the U.S. aid program.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/20...
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"Just hours after former President Jimmy Carter trumpeted Hamas' agreement to let Israel 'live as a neighbor,' the same terrorist leader he met with face-to-face vowed not to recognize the Jewish state."
Not only is Carter a "senile old fool" and a "virulent anti-semite", he's also smoking crack.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351953,00.html
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Progress toward mutually beneficial peace and formal diplomatic recognition are NOT equivalent.
Of course not. We already know that Hamas REFUSED to recognize Israel. Considering this interesting fact can you elaborate on the issue of "progress toward mutually beneficial peace" with someone refusing to recognize even the right of the other side to EXIST?
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redLineRunner1 year, 8 months ago
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"Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal talks to reporters at a press conference Monday in Damascus, Syria, where he offered Israel a truce."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24235665
A 10 year truce. Much better than what we have today. At least the man is trying SOMETHING. Im amazed at how many people shoot down someone who is actively working towards peace Shouldnt that be a goal for all of us, or are we too mired in our war-loving culture?
Whether it happens or not, I praise the man for at least trying!
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> I praise the man for at least trying!
In this case, you should praise Israel much more. Not only did Israel offer Palestinians cease fire on multiple occasions, it RECOGNIZED their right to have a sovereign independent state 60 years ago... something your "trying man" still refuses to do.
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SpareChange1 year, 8 months ago
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Yawn, I'm so over this issue. My whole life it's the same thing.
Ultimatly, they're 2 siblings always arguing and bickering.
I know people are dying, but I don't think there's a solution that anyone from the outside, no matter how well intentioned, can make stick.
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Wolfie20071 year, 8 months ago
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Ditto on the senile old fool. Carter didn't make a mistake when he said Hamas said they would accept Israel, it was no mistake, he just lied. He has no grip on reality and that is what he wanted Hamas to say so he just acted like it was true. That is what happens to senile old fools who have no grip on reality they can believe what they want to believe. They shouldn't let him back into this country.
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salarysleuth1 year, 8 months ago
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I liked the post by "damnliberals". Not that I agree, but he started a conversation on the subject. It's funny though because it seems like most posts here refer to the others, or blame someone else. People are either referring to "damn liberals" or "christian conservatives", "neo-cons", or whatever ever else is the chosen phrase to assign a negative context to for the moment. I like hearing people's opinions, but sometimes it just feels like your watching a ping-pong match... not necessarily a discussion.
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no no no. They aren't our big stick (they get us into more trouble than keep us out of it).
From 1990 to 2000 U.S. military aid to Israel totaled over $18 billion. No other nation in the world has such a close relationship with the U.S. military and arms industry.
It's a big money laundering scheme to get more us tax dollars into the hands of the defense contractors. Isreal turns around and sells some of these arms to China and other countries.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"no no no. They aren't our big stick (they get us into more trouble than keep us out of it). "
Exactly my point (sort of) -- They're the slightly insane, slightly retarded 'cousin' of the US that can (and does) suddenly do something troubling.
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crghss1 year, 8 months ago
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"suddenly do something troubling."
You mean like giving women the right to vote and work? To not force honor rapes and honor killings on women? To have a real democracy not dominated by mullahs or Dictators?. To have the freedom to choose/change ones own religion without being killed? Do you mean troubling thinks like this?
Yes, yes I know. We must kill the jews. Because your little book tells you so.
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foxyladi141 year, 8 months ago
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carter bush any one that trys to bring peace and democracy
to the world should be applauded
however we must remember who we are dealing with
you can make nice with terrorists
even give them milk and cookies but at the end of the day
they will still cut off your head
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>> The leader of Hamas says his Palestinian militant group is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 war.
As long as Hamas is not a legitimate Palestinian government able and willing to assure that the agreements it signs and promises it makes will be kept the "truce" it is promising is not worth the paper (or whatever) it is written on.
This being said Israel should and, probably, will agree to a truce if it will be offered by a legitimate and potent Palerstinian leadership... with no strings attached. This means that Israel will offer the Palestinians peace in exchange for peace. Everything else will be negotiated later.
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kudos to the much maligned president carter (often maligned by me, I must admit) he recognized the simple fact that peace is made with your enemies and went and had a talk.
a ten year year truce means thousands of children get to grow up without the expectation of bombs in their daily life.
it means the opportunity for anger to decrease and understanding to increase.
it means the hope for a permanent peace.
peace is good. much better than war. well done mr. president. I hope it holds out.
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we dont have to abide by anything.. it doesn't directly involve us. a mediator is a non-involved party. carter fits that bill. a mediator should also have a reputation for fairness and knowledge of international law. as a regular representative of the UN to oversee elections, he fits that bill as well.
carter is perfectly suited for this job.
if you are positioned to attempt to move someone from war to peace, do you not have a moral obligation to try?
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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I just noticed. Four people gave this story a sink.
Does that mean they are against ME peace or are just upset that a retired Dem was able to accomplish over the weekend what Bush and Rice et al have not been able to accomplish with all their available resources over seven years?
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...a retired Dem was able to accomplish over the weekend what Bush and Rice et al have not been able to accomplish with all their available resources over seven years?
Can you elaborate what exactly this retired Dem was able to accomplish? This is what the article we're discussing says:
> After Mr Carter's remarks, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stressed that Hamas would not formally recognise Israel.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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He accomplished a pledge to a ten year cease fire from the leaders of a democratically elected group if both Israel and the Palestinians agree to return to the pre-1967 war borders.
If both sides will agree to such a thing, then he accomplished a hell of a lot more than anyone in the current administration has accomplished in any area of the world over the past one (and nearly over second) term.
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Oh he did did he? Where is the "pledge" written down. With no right of return? With an end to the rockets fired into Israel? With east Jerusalem as the capitol or all of Jerusalem. All lies just so the jew killers (your hero's, warmonger) can get their rocket launchers close to Israeli civilians.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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Blah blah blah.. The Israeli Government is Blameless and a bunch of pacifists.. Blah blah blah..
Considering how many Palestinians die for every Israeli, it's interesting how you focus on one side of the conflict and one side of the death count. Not surprising, however.
Warmongering requires that one push a war, like all you NeoConvicts (soon to be, anyhow) pushing BushCo to war. Ending the conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians would be the opposite. I know it's hard to understand given your limited education, but please try.
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The kill ratio is about 3 Palestinians for every Israeli, last I checked. And it's been pretty constant over the decades. The way I see it this ratio has been maintained purposely to keep the conflict in a state of perpetual war. Governments have less difficulty controlling their own divergent populations when they can claim that everyone must draw together for the common defense. BTW, it's a lot easier to find support in America when the imminent threat card is played.
As for crghss's comment on civilians, war is hell on civilians, Israeli civilians being no exception. Think of our involvement at Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. Have we forgotten our native Americans? For shear brutality, Rwanda. So why have the Israelis not chosen to "solve" their "problem" with the native population using overwhelming force? How about a forced march into the Sinai, following the Cherokee example? Afterall, Yahweh is on their side, the rest of the world be damned.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> He accomplished a pledge to a ten year cease fire from the leaders of a democratically elected group if both Israel and the Palestinians agree to return to the pre-1967 war borders.
Are you sure? If this is correct then the Palestinians will have to disappear as they did not have any "pre-1967" or "post-1967" borders.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> He accomplished a pledge to a ten year cease fire from the leaders of a democratically elected group if both Israel and the Palestinians agree to return to the pre-1967 war borders.
So, he accomplished a "pledge to a ten year cease fire from the leaders of a democratically elected group" saying that if Israel will succumb to all their demands, Hamas WILL NOT recognize Israel. In addition, other Palestinian groups will continue sending terrorists and launching rockets into Israel for 10 years at most and then Hamas will join then, too. All this will happen if Hamas will comply with its "pledge", of course...
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fourthtunz1 year, 8 months ago
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Why do people still believe our media? I mean even some intelligent people, at least I think some of you write intelligently. How is it that the party line fallacy can still persist? Yes I admit when I was young I was a democrat. I used to think that we had democracy in this country but now I know we haven't had a democratic process since before lincoln. How is it intelligent people can read the history of the rockefellers,the morgans the rothchilds and other wealthy elite and believe our government and our country are not controlled by these wealthy and powerful people? This is a diversion, theatre. Carter is controlled by the same people who control Bush, and same with all other presidents.
Wake up people! Go ahead Read your history. Read what Wilson said about the people that control this country. He pushed through the federal reserve, and knew that he was not really in control.
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wildman65571 year, 8 months ago
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>>Based on Carter's track record I will not hold my breath
Actually Carter has an excellent track record:
The economy was running wild when he came into office. The last year under Ford had 12% inflation and a persistent recession. Carter drastically cut government spending -- something that is close to a miracle considering the Congress he had (Democratic). He also had the nerve to raise interest rates which eventually cut inflation (under Reagan). Nether of these actions made him popular with morons like you all, but they were necessary and without them, the economy very likely would have not recovered under Reagan.
With foreign policy, he brought democracy to Chile and negotiated the only long lasting peace treaty between Israel and the Arabs that has existed (Camp David Accords) and negotiated the safe release of the Iran hostages. Excellent President.
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KYRed1 year, 8 months ago
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It will be interesting to see how historians portray Bush, Jr. and Carter as to who was the worst modern president. I think it will be a tie. I had to steal gas in order to take my wife to the hospital to have my daughter in the 70's, but here in the 2000's, just last year I had no problem buying the gas to go see my daughter give birth, nor did her husband have to steal gas to take her to the hospital. And here I was almost ready to give in to the liberal dribble that times are tougher and my kids don't have it as good as I had at the same age.
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TropicTopic1 year, 8 months ago
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Looks like Uncle Jimmy is having another "Panama Canal, Senior Moment". This guy shouldn't be allowed to walk around, unattended. The last time he swung his testicles around, he put American Hostages on display for 144 days! Let Uncle Jimmy build some habitat, he can swing a hammer much better than his testicles.
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