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Aidenag1 year, 8 months ago
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That really isn't as large of an issue as people are making it out to be. The real issue is the population boom we are going through. Sure biofuels are contributing to it to a certain extent, but what it all comes down to, is that we are reaching a population level where it is becoming hard to feed everyone. Especially with so many 3rd world nations becoming rich lately, and thus eating more food.
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Grrr1 year, 8 months ago
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"It's not becoming harder to feed everyone, it's becoming easier to scare people, manipulate shortages, and fix prices."
Garbage. People are starving around the world and you're claiming it's not becoming harder to feed everyone. People are starving here in the US, too. If it's so easy to feed everyone why is *anyone* hungry.
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Grrr1 year, 8 months ago
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First, this story is about the US, and that is what my comment referred to.
Second, like I said, because there is more profit in NOT feeding everyone. Or less profit in seeing that everyone is fed. Doesn't really matter how you state it.
And third, it really is not becoming harder to feed everyone. Do you really think that we didn't know there would be shortages early enough to simply have more farmers plant more short season grains? Do you really think that the science of agriculture is not up to the task of increasing the world food supply, say, threefold in a single season if it were desired? Of course it is.
People have been starving around the world for FOREVER. This is not a new thing. We could have been feeding them all with the acres we've paid to leave fallow for the last several decades, way before population explosions, economic BOOMS in asia, and biofuels.
But millions still starved. 'Splain, Lucy.
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bill29361 year, 8 months ago
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Why are people hungry, because they choose to be. A few years ago I did a little experiment just to see how hard it was to get a meal. I spent one month in the summer paid $0 for food and ate 3 meals a day. Typically the Salvation Army handled one or two meals a day. There was another religious organization, that had a breakfast program for the homeless. I may have had to listen to a sermon or wash a few dishes, but I ate and no begging or 'dumpster diving'. I got the idea from another program they have in Texas where kids (under 18) can show up at various locations and get breakfast and lunch for free during the summer. There were those that complained about the program because they would not delivery to the kids houses.
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simonsez1 year, 8 months ago
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes and crack for food and lottery tickets for food and twinkies for food and chips for food and pig skins for food, etc.
I've heard of all those but I don't know anyone who ever had to make that choice. I see them in the food court carrying Nike boxes and their pants around their knees eating a slice of pizza.
Maybe you know some ...
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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You said you see "them." Who is them and how do you know just by looking at "them" that they spend money on crack and lottery tickets?
It sounds like you may have an aversion to the urban style of dress that kids are doing now. It's just how kids dress these day.
Personally, I'd rather wrongly have someone buy crack then have some kid go hungry. No doubt there are many people taking advantage.
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm not little or bitter. There are many many many ways to get a meal in this country if you need one.
States spend a lot more buying food for kids than they spend for books. Send your kids to school where they belong and they will be fed.
I may be a troll ...
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BB641 year, 8 months ago
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I live in Wisconsin and own property. Currently most of the farm land is in the process of being converted into corn because that's where the big money is. Between the subsidies and other cash incentives it's a huge boom for the farmer. And all for ethanol. A product that reduces your fuel effiecency by about 10%, the same amount they blend with gasoline. Go figure. It doesn't burn cleaner. It takes 5 gallons of fossil fuel to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. It can't be shipped via pipeline so it must be trucked everywhere. Another knee jerk reaction by the left for a problem that really doesn't exist.
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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Crack up, I'm not a big farming interest. I have around 400 acres of farm land that was my grand parents place. The land was rented to neighbors for farming however this year, because of the huge subs you the kind taxpayers have provided, I've hired someone to cash crop my land. As to congress, Wisconsin used to be the dairy state until Herbie Kohl came to town as no body's senator but ours.... He sold us up the river in the East Coast Dairy Compact. You will continue to see traditional farming die and go towards grain production for fuel with people like him in office. I'm spending less that $25K for well over $250K pay back. Thank you tree hugging environmental freaks.
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quackpot1 year, 7 months ago
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Follow the money, BB64.
The money to hire the large number of lobbyists that influence the Farm Bills is from agribusiness.
At best, the environmentalists are able to influence the amount of pollution that agribusiness dumps into the rivers.
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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Wrong. The biofuel groups are financed with big money from the Sierra Club and other groups like that. At least originally. There has been a huge push from this group starting in the late 70's, I remember them selling this when I was in jr. high.
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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Ethanol was sold as the solution to "global warming". This isn't the topic but because of the new air quality standards in Wisconsin, we have to use a 10% ethanol blend. We've proven that this doesn't help, in fact in simple green house gases, it causes more pollution and reduces fuel economy, so we use more gasoline. Add to that the increased use of fossil fuel for the tilling, harvesting and transporting, ethanol is a huge failure. In simple terms it takes over 5 gallons of fossil fuel to produce 1 gallon of ethanol.
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IAmMine1 year, 8 months ago
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"Another knee jerk reaction by the left for a problem that really doesn't exist. "
Oh really, why is Bush pushing for it. Oh thats right, his family has already been heavily investing in it. Look at what Jeb is doing down in Florida....
Its big agribusiness....
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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Ethanol was the beat all end all for gasoline additives. The idea was from the 1970's and was thought to be a "great" solution to the energy crisis. The problem, the study was never properly evaluated. The idea was to convert all cars to "harmless" ethanol. Brazil was shown as an example. The problem, our cars not the cars of the 70's. Between the computers and sensors, ethanol is terrible all the way around.
The largest groups to push for ethanol were your environmental groups. Big business does hold some responsibility here however, the lion share really is with groups like the Sierra Club.
As to Bush, it's the politically correct solution. Even when the environmental lobby is proven to be incorrect, please note, I didn't say wrong, they never admit to it. Bush for some reason is drinking the Kool-Aid. As to Jeb, he's not the gov. so I really don't know nor do I care what he is doing anymore. I would like both the Bush and the Clinton families to go away.
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awongscreen1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree with the over population statement but not too much on getting rich nation eating more food. The problem is simply too many people for earth to handle.
I was being view as evil and anti-social every time I voice the over population issue as nobody wants to face the fact that human beings have become the major threat to earth.
When we look at the problems we have now, such as traffic congestion, poverty, energy and resources depletion, environmental pollution, crime, war, etc. All these are related to overpopulation.
Business do not want to talk about it as it was widely believed that sales growth with population. Governments do not want to do anything as they want to please businesses and afraid to lose the next election if they address the issue. Probably the only government that actually tried to control overpopulation is the Chinese government. We might not like the Chinese government behaviour but this is probably the few things it did right.
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