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Posted By TimALoftis 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsSen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has won Pennsylvania's presidential primary, a victory that analysts said she had to have if she were to remain a credible candidate for the Democratic nomination.
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TimALoftis1 year, 8 months ago
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This was a must win for Hillary. Winning by just 3 or 4 points was not going to be enough to raise money for her campaign or give her any real momentum for Indiana. This 10 point win now allows her to play for another day and that day comes two weeks from now in Indiana and North Carolina. To change the game and be able to go forward from there she must reduce Obama's margin in North Carolina to single digits and win convincingly in Indiana. Polling currently shows Obama up by 15% points in N.C. and Indiana is only slightly in Hillary's favor. If this holds Obama will possibly net more delegates on May 6th than clinton did last night.
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Aidenag1 year, 8 months ago
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Right now Cnn is showing Hillary with a 8pt lead, which is well below the margin she needed to claim any sort of a comeback. All this does for her, is delay her losing a bit longer. She needed 10pt's just to say she is a viable candidate, and 15-20pt's to say she still has a shot at becoming President. My guess, is that we are going to start seeing a lot more pundits, superdelegates, and democratic party members calling for her to throw in the towel now due to the fact she could win every state left with this same margin, and still lose to Obama...
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A win is A Win (one vote,,,, why does she have to win by 10% or as they have been saying for weeks, 'it's all over".
It will be over when Bill says 'honey we fought a good fight but it's over" and not a second sooner, no matter how badly the Obamaites want her to quit. It still goes back to the lack of ability for Obama to give the knock out punch.
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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It's her HOME STATE! For crying out loud, she was sweating her HOME STATE!! She should be able to achieve a blow out there, as it is, she's not winning by that great a margin, and even if she did, she certainly ought to after all the free coverage she received for the last 2 days on CNN and all the poor Hillary really needs people to support her crap. Never mind the fact that she's a big fat liar and a snob that atrributes her own shortcomings to her opponent and rarely getting called on it.
Although I expected her to win her home state, I am thoroughly disgusted and disillusioned with Madam Shrillery.
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lum-chate1 year, 8 months ago
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Another bizarre statement by that "Tabernacle of Wisdom" cush.
For the last time cush Clinton is more electable than Obama.
He can only win in states where the Democratic populace is predominantly black or in the caucus states where a small minority of frenzied Moveon.orger's can have influence far greater than they ought to. Example Utah, Idaho, Kansas, & Wyoming I have a better chance of getting drafted in the 1st RD. of the NFL Draft this weekend than Obama has of winning any of those states. Any by the way I would take 1 California rather than any 6 of the caucus states Obama has won.
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Aidenag1 year, 8 months ago
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Not true Lum-Chate, Obama Swept Washington state with over 70% of the vote. And while we may be a Caucus state, we also hold normal vote as well 3 weeks later, of which he also won with 70% . We also only have an 11% or so black population.
So your arugment about only Heavily black caucus states is pretty much debunked by the State of Washington...
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm sorry, but your assessment doesn't mean squat to me! I have my own assessment and I'm backing the person I believe would be best for this country, which is Barack Obama.
He will have my support, whether or not he is the final victor, and if he does not become the nominee, it will be a sad day in our history as far as I'm concerned.
I will vote democratic regardless, because the alternative makes me want to puke green slime, but if there were a decent republican in the running, I would seriously consider them over the Hillamonster.
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koranagirl1 year, 8 months ago
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Her home state is Illinois, her home town is Park Ridge, a sleepy little posh suburb of Chicago's near NW side. It has at least one Starbucks, a Talbot's outlet and many great restaurants nearby.
Anyone know how she is connected to Pennsylvania?
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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Sure isn't, but neither is voting for ruthless, exploitive, lying, hypocritical politicians for whom winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing!
Hillary claimed PA as her home state for purposes of having the advantage there. She will probably move on without a backward glance now that she got her shallow little victory. She's a slam, bam, thank you m'am kinda gal.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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> its a vote against oboma.more his attitude about us God fearing,gun toting,bigoted,hicks.
Since there is no such thing as a God fearing bigoted person, please try to make sense next time. Bigoted by its very meaning means someone is not God fearing.
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''its a vote against oboma.more his attitude about us God fearing,gun toting,bigoted,hicks.''
so they voted for a down to earth non-elitist everywoman God-fearing candidate like Hill?
well Hell, if that's they way people vote...
then I fully understand the state of the union
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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> A lot of bitter, Bible thumping, gun toting voters who know how to bowl.
...and don`t give a shi* about America.
There, I finished it for ya.
BTW, the bitter, angry voters are voting for Obama. I know, cause I`m one of them, and I`m giving $ to Obama to defeat the fascist sellout McCain.
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truthiness1 year, 8 months ago
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this is the official PA reporting
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2008/04/22/co...
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 8 months ago
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I found this statement from a different news story offered an interesting insight:
"The bitterness of the fight has seeped into the Democratic consciousness, with 26 percent of Clinton supporters saying they would sooner vote for Republican presumptive nominee John McCain than Obama, and another 19 percent saying they would just stay home."
Ouch.
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"The bitterness of the fight has seeped into the Democratic consciousness, with 26 percent of Clinton supporters saying they would sooner vote for Republican presumptive nominee John McCain than Obama, and another 19 percent saying they would just stay home."
IMO more than three fourths of the people saying that now will eventually vote Democratic anyway. But in a close election, the less than a quarter that actually follows through might be significant.
But there is little doubt that this primary is causing bad feelings all around the Democratic party. And it's mostly personal rather than policy.
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Cushi
Of course Obama will be the nominee
I don't think the Super Delegates, make that elitist Super Delegates, have the courage to honestly look at the situation and take the nomination away from Obama
The Democrats as a party have been moving away from their traditional blue collar base and this will cement that decision
The Democrats are looking like a party made up of 2 parts - the lower income and the educated iberal elitists
They are losing the middle - the large part that was the base of their party
Cushi, I won't try to convince you. Go run the numbers for yourself
Take a look at the primaries which have already occurred
Calculate the results based upon winner takes all delegates. Remove the states which are certain to go Republican
Is it Clinton or Obama who looks like they are more likely to win in the fall?
Isn't this what the Super Delegates should be doing?
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"They are losing the middle - the large part that was the base of their party"
I must take issue with this because many Republican members of my family are "Obamacans" (Republicans for Barack Obama). There are many all across the country. I do not think Obama would gain this support if he did not have some appeal to the middle. Media like to spin it this way: "Obama appeals to young voters, the college educated, ...and African-Americans..."
Truth is, Obama is likely to become the Democratic nominee. His acceptance speech will make the 2004 keynote seem like a warm up. The Democratic Party WILL be united this fall.
As for "the middle": all the trends this year point to independents breaking for the Democrats. The vast majority of newly registered voters are registered as Democrats. The only way the Democrats could lose would be a GOP "October surprise" or a huge scandal involving the Democratic nominee, be it Obama or Clinton...
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Hillary will win all the big traditionally Democratic states where the Clinton Machine has deep roots and tons of ward heelers on the payroll or on the defensive about dirt the Clintons have gathered on them. The fact of the mater is that any Democrat would win those states against McCain.
But can she win in November?
History has proven time and time again that winning those states alone is not enough to beat the Republicans. But who here listens to history? Will we have to do it one more time and get four more years of Bushism doubled in McCain?
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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"10:00 PM - The vote returns have begun to trickle in, and we're getting a sense of how the race is shaping up. Obama is doing extremely well in Philadelphia County. He's up by 22 points. The trouble for him is that more than 75% of the county has reported. In Delaware County, also in metropolitan Philadelphia, Clinton has fought Obama to a draw so far. In Bucks, few precincts have reported, but Clinton has a modest lead. Chester and Montgomery counties have yet to report at all. The size of Clinton's victory will not become apparent until then. Outside of Philadelphia, Clinton is doing exceedingly well. She's dominating Obama in metropolitan Pittsburgh, including a 12% lead (so far) in Allegheny County. She's up 24 points in Erie County and up in Lackawana County, where Scranton is.
If you are interested in waiting for the whole state to return, expect to be up late. The central part of the state is notoriously slow. - JAY COST"
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truthiness1 year, 8 months ago
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with 78% reporting at 11 pm
President of the United States
Democratic Primary
Candidate Votes Percent
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
923,249 54.9%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
758,821 45.1%
it is unlikely in the extreme that barack will make up the 9 points in the remaining 12 percent unreported
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/0...
10:44PM - "The tide is turning," Hillary said, concluding her victory speech. As Jay noted, we likely won't know the final margin until tomorrow, but right now Hillary is up 10 points with 78% reporting. If she can hang on to 10, that seems like a convincing victory.
But the Clinton campaign will likely trumpet another number: It seems that come tomorrow Hillary will lead in the popular vote count (if one includes Michigan and Florida). - BLAKE DVORAK
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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"OBama has the momentum,not hillary. He trimmed a 20 point lead a few weeks ago"
Obama also outspent Hillary more than 2 to 1 in Pennsylvania.
Maybe if he outspent her by 5 to 1 Obama could have pulled it off.
"Only hillary could spin a loss in to a "turning tide.""
Only you could spin the narrowing of a victory margin into an Obama victory.
If Obama had won tonight, the race would be over.
This is the third time that Obama couldn't seal the deal.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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"Hillary can't even close the deal with a former popular president in her corner."
Some people think that she might have closed the deal if Bubba WASN'T in her corner.
"She's not even treading water."
No, she's treading to NC and IN for the next round of primaries.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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That 20% neme again.
One poll had a 20% Clinton margin, most had it 10-15%. Obama the great cut it to under 10% - after outspending Hillary more than 2 to 1. Whoop-de-do!
Obama went for the kill - for the third time - and Hillary is still standing. Even Maureen Dowd wonders whether Obama has what it takes to win in the general election.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23dow...
" In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.
But this is clearly a man who can't wait to get back to his organic scrambled egg whites. That was made plain with his cri de coeur at the Glider Diner in Scranton when a reporter asked him about Jimmy Carter and Hamas.
"Why" he pleaded, sounding a bit, dare we say, bitter, "can't I just eat my waffle?"
His subtext was obvious: Why can't I just be president? Why do I have to keep eating these gooey waffles and answering these gotcha questions and debating this gonzo woman?"
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
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"Maybe he was just hungry and wanted something to eat. The subtext being a growling stomach."
Maybe he wasn't hungry enough:
"In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak."
Obama bit off more than he could chew in PA. ;-)
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sotiris-k1 year, 8 months ago
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When the total 3 states are over by early May tonight's result will have been erased by the results in N.Carolina and Indiana combined. Someone at Hillary's need to explain to her basic math. The differential was 140. It will be 128-127 tonight possibly even higher and then back to 140. And there will be no more big states left and no more miracle come back kid. Now if only she had truly what it takes to be a leader. Because a leader places first the benefit of the people than his/her own. Right now she knows she cant win and she is trying to waste valuable time and resources to achieve who knows what. The fact remains. She is disliked by people. He isnt! So what is she trying to do , find ways to make him also disliked? Tell me again what kind of person you want answering that 3am call? Someone with lack of realism and questionable ethical spinning that is so selfcentered as the sobs we have had for the past 8 years or someone radically different more intelligent and inspiring.
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lum-chate1 year, 8 months ago
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When you spend 11.3 million on 1500 TV ads and provocative literature and outspend your opponent 3 to 1 and get nothing for it it looks bad to the superdelegates.
Clinton will win Pa. by 220,000 votes & she will win Indiana, West Va 2 to 1, and Kentucky by a mile! He might win N. Dakota where there are more cattle than people & NC where black vote dominates the democrat voters which will only make him seem moreso like a one constituency candidate. After West Va. it will up to the supers to decide. Being outspent 3 to 1 and losing badly in Pa., Obama doing an imitation of Mitt Romney
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sotiris-k1 year, 8 months ago
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You are kidding right? It was 20% a month ago. The polls were giving 15% only 2 weeks ago also. This is an achievement for Obama.
Bottom line. There are new registered voters. The democratic vote was 3-1 to the republican one (of course the republican was symbolic so feel free to make that 3-1 2 times smaller - still impressive ). Those new voters that Obama is bringing predominantly will be voting in September. Is anyone seriously thinking that the democrats that voted for Hillary tonight hate Obama and will vote against him in November for a Bush part3 candidate,McCain? There is plenty of reasons to dislike Hillary if you are a democrat due to her republican style dirty methods. But there is so far no reason to dislike Obama unless she can continue to be nasty and run her own party to the ground. So far this prolonged campaign has one big advantage; the new registrations. This will prove critical in November only if the one that triggered them is standing as candidate. And he will.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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Clinton obviously wants the free publicity for something. Is she planning to write another another book? Is she going to run for governor of NY? How can she justify spending all those contributions for self-aggrandizement when she has virtually no chance of winning the nomination.
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Flight to the White House
8 years ago, a new administration was selected for the white house to run the nation. the administration was so excited to take charge of the world leadership ASAP so they decided to take flight instead of road to the Washington DC from Texas Ranch. The flight pilots were Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush who learned how to fly planes from last two administrations before them.
http://journals.aol.com/humanfealty/i-love-you/...
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He can only win in states where the Democratic populace is predominantly black or in the caucus states where a small minority of frenzied Moveon.orger's can have influence far greater than they ought to. Example Utah, Idaho, Kansas, & Wyoming. Any by the way I would take 1 California rather than any 6 of the caucus states Obama has won.
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lum-chate1 year, 8 months ago
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Here's a candidate who was so thoroughly beaten in the last debate with Clinton that he is actually chickening out of the next scheduled debate. There is the type of internal fortitude we don't need in a national leader. As lousy a debater Bush was even he didn't cower like that!
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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There's no point in debating Hillary. He could schedule a debate with McCain soon though.
I don't see the point of letting the Clinton political machine, a la Stephanopolous, take swipes at Obama with the pretense of offering a debate. It's BS.
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"I don't see the point of letting the Clinton political machine, a la Stephanopolous, take swipes at Obama with the pretense of offering a debate."
CBS would have held the North Carolina debate (scheduled this coming Sunday) that Obama chickened out on. Is Katie Couric part of the Clinton political machine?
No, lum-chate got it right - Obama is playing it safe by ducking debates lest he makes a fool of himself again. A true profile in courage.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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I for one would like to see ACTUAL JOURNALISTS running the debate. Gibson and Stephanopolous are not trained journalists, neither of them have a journalism degree. Neither does Katie Couric. They are celebrity journalists, out to publicize themselves.
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"I for one would like to see ACTUAL JOURNALISTS running the debate. Gibson and Stephanopolous are not trained journalists, neither of them have a journalism degree."
Neither Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann have journalism degrees, but that didn't stop them from moderating Republican debates.
Bottom line: Obama looked like a fish out of water in that last debate. No wonder that he's ducking future debates.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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"I don't see the point of letting the Clinton political machine, a la Stephanopolous, take swipes at Obama with the pretense of offering a debate. It's BS."
Yeah..we Repubs were wondering if you guys knew how that felt. Turns out you do.
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fempatriot1 year, 8 months ago
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I don't understand why people would vote for Hillary Clinton when her husband was the one who put the final nail in our financial coffin when he signed NAFTA and GATT into being. No matter what she says _now_ she was for it then. She's like a weathervane--changes her viewpoint however the electorate wants. Trouble is, I don't think she really changes her mind. If she gets elected (my money's on McCain) it'll be more of the status quo, with the USA losing more jobs overseas or to low skilled illegal alien workers. There really is a war on to destroy the middle class of America.
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they have really debated this to death, we know everything we need to know and another debate won't help. Hillary still can only win if the remaining superddelagets take it away from the black man, and if they do that we will have a f n revolution
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vor1 year, 8 months ago
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It's all about her and Bill's egos. She always intended to win this race and she isn't giving up come hell or high water. It is not in her nature to quit. Remember how devastated she was buy her health care failure in '95.
Regardless, thank to the f-cking voters of states like PA. and Ohio we will continue to have to deal with her. Thanks a lot. Who exactly are you people and what is it you see in Hillary that Obama lacks? I have no problem voting for a woman, just not this woman!
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vor1 year, 8 months ago
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Hillary is far closer to the neocons positions than Obama. She has been working in essential collaboration with them since the war began. I had limited trust of the Clintons in the 90's. I trust them far less today. I you want special interests and political favoratism to rule the day vote for them by all means. Certainly they are a lesser evil than the neocons but that status is not hard to achieve.
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vor1 year, 8 months ago
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You are an fool for making such assumptions...you can gladly view my previous posts. I have said I might hold my nose and vote for her just to cancel one vote for McCain and his neocon lackies.
But who are Republicans kidding? Half of you can't stand McCain but will do the exact same thing.
Ridiculous to use the Hussein or Osama reference regarding Obama. Sick of it. This has no place in civilized conversation. It has nothing to do with the issues and obfuscates from the damage the current GOP admin. has done to this nation.
And who is the next person that will try to discreetly tell me "they ain't voting for no n-gger" with a wink and a nod. Just because I am white does not make me a racist. This has already happened numerous times. Been turning the other cheek to this idiocy far too long. There is still a tremendous amount of underlying racism in America. Your particular disease appears to be related to xenophobia.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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You mean the Barack "NO MIDDLE NAME" Obama of US media fame? Get real, pal. We can play the name game right along with ya. INTENTIONALLY DISCLOSING his middle name is absolutely no worse that INTENTIONALLY OMITTING it. Flail about as you will, but save the self-righteousness for someone who needs it.
Hey...I was ready to vote for B. Hussein before I learned what a hate-monger he had for a pastor. And wouldja please spare us your faux indignation? You're the ones who know damn well that if the Obama/Wright scenario involved two whites, the white politician would be finished..... It's one thing to have a double standard. But when it's oozing out of your every body orifice like an outbreak of ebola, enough is enough.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm still wondering if it has more to due with the contributors to the Clinton library. If people contributed money expecting payback, and I think they did, and Hillbillery doesn't win, then the Clintons will have to pay back all that back possibly. If your fortune and retirement were riding on the line, wouldn't you fight till the bitter end?
We need to see the contributors to the Clinton library.
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slate1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh so not that Hillary isn't the 'great' Hillary and a new kid is in town, now you want to know about that? We asked about all that money a few years back and the left had a fit, when the Clintons were still in your camp. Now you have turned on them and you stomp your feeet and want what you want at any cost as usual.
I grieve for the Democrat party of JFK and FDR, don't you?
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Poulenc1 year, 8 months ago
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One cannot expect someone of the nuclear ambition of HC to throw in the towel until defeat is...well, imposed on her.
In the meantime she's doing all-too-calculable damage to the Dems and their hope to score the presidency.
Her "victory" speech last night was grotesque, a combi-platter of Academy Award-type thank-yous, and worse, a presumptuous enactment of already having been lifted aloft by "the people" to the land's highest post.
Surprised she didn't dash right over afterwards to Pennsylvania Avenue...
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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My proposed letter to the RNC:
Dear Slayers,
Oh just kidding. Just wondering if John McCain (D-GOP) prefers which Democratic candidate he's going to roll over and play dead for. Wouldn't it be awful if Democrats accidentally vote McCain by mistake? Hey...it's not that farfetched. Consider: none of them has any energy policy, monetary/fiscal policy, or immigration policy. Certainly nothing beyond platitudes and backwash. At a time when the American people need leadership, we get the perfect vacuum.
I never imagined in my life I would experience a president who could take the bar lowered by Clinton and submerge it further in disgrace.
If you really want to help the country, then load up Amtrack with every Democrat and Republican inside the beltway and ship them somewhere without zip codes.
Revolutionarily yours,
GA50
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kfolive1 year, 8 months ago
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I have to say that Obama is the right candidate and if either of the other 2 win we will not have the type and level of change that can turn this country around. We are in quagmire and clear rational thinking is the only thing that can pull us out. Obama has that, the others do not.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Democrats supporting a proven racist/hate-supporting candidate. Now that's r.... Oh wait. We rather expect that.
Isn't it a shame you Democrats had to go and find a candidate with no middle name? Oh well...I think "BO" will play well for the history books inasmuch as a B. Hussein presidency will be quite putrid.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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Don't forget John Hagee, who thinks Catholics are a damned cult, and is actively encouraging a bloodbath in the Middle East to bring about the Apocalypse and a sooner Second coming.
Hagee endorsed John McCain. I guess that makes McCain a looney tunes by association.
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joeblowe1 year, 8 months ago
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It puzzles me. This person, who was previously BEHIND in the polls and couldn't beg a dime on the street corner, is NOW the "golden child" for no reason other than having "won" a state that she was more-or-less EXPECTED to win? I am amazed anew at just at damn STUPID and sheeplike people are. She is EXACTLY the same person/candidate she was 2 months ago. Why in the world would anyone think differently about her this week? Because the damned MEDIA says she is a "winner?" How pathetically insipid and shallow. Come on folks. Mostly she is a liar, regardless that she may have fooled a bunch of people in PA. Or, is this more a reflection of Barry having SCREWED UP with that idiot preacher and his foolish association with corrupt Illinois politicians and their lackies? Remember: default for Democrat from Illinois - corrupt until proven otherwise. Later on, don't say I didn't warn you. (Hillary is also from Illinois you know...)
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
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his person, who was previously BEHIND in the polls and couldn't beg a dime on the street corner, is NOW the "golden child" for no reason other than having "won" a state that she was more-or-less EXPECTED to win? I am amazed anew at just at damn STUPID and sheeplike people are>>>>>
Pitiful, isn't it.
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Rayman1 year, 8 months ago
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So what Hillary wins PA? The Clintons had their chance for 8 years in the White House running this country. Isn't time for a new and energetic candidate as Obama? This man could be the uniter of our torn nation who continues to be devided by race, gender, faith and politics. Let's give Obama a chance, after all, if he wins the presidency, he would have a huge plate of problems, conflicts and turmoil that the Bush administration has left behind. Isn't a BIG shame that George Bush gets to end his term by NOT making any decision on troop withdrawals in Iraq? Bush, however, gets to 'pass the buck' to the next 'Commander in Chief' and head to his Crawford ranch where he would 'try' to write (if he could spell!) his sad and devastating legacy or lack of!!!
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lum-chate1 year, 8 months ago
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Clinton is much stronger with the folks who tilt elections the Reagan Democrats. If Clinton wins the nomination the Reagan Democrats will be split between her & McCain. If Obama wins McCain gets 80% of them. Obama can't win!
Now Obama wins 90% of the black vote which put him over the top in the Dem primaries of the deep south but he'll never win SC, Ala, Ga, Miss, or Louisiana in the general. Obamacrats try to understand the statistics & probabilities of the deep south, 90% of blacks are 50% of the Dem voters in the deep south but only 20% of the total vote in the mentioned states.
The only other segment of the populace favoring Obama are the frenzied utopian thinkers of the trendy far left who have never won with favorites like Debs, Norman Thomas, Henry Wallace, McGovern & Mondale and are unlikely to win with there new standard bearer.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Darn...there goes our best-kept secret. You're exactly right. The black vote = Dixie plus DC, where except for DC it's effectively canceled out by the Republican vote.
We concede the Left Coast as always. Florida and Michigan literally tilt one way or the other (D or R) depending on whether Clinton's in or not, and their electoral votes are not going to B. Hussein regardless.
No FL, no MI, no Hussein. The Husseinistas are right...the math is simple.
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lum-chate1 year, 8 months ago
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Not so fast on Cal. Hey if Obama is the nominee, McCain with the help of his big supporter and fellow middleof the road Republican "the governator" could squeeze out California. Remember the huge Asian & Latino presence their are not enamored with Obama at all! Cal is a tossup!
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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Could we just dispense with all the endless banter and get to the real issue? That is, the collapse of the Democratic Party as we know it. Here's a simple timeline:
-August, 2008 - - Hillary Clinton is announced as the Democratic Party candidate at the DNC in Denver. The Democrats take the news with their usual aplomb: Riots, shootings, bombings, arson, protests and violence in black neighborhoods across America.
-August-November, 2008 - - Protests continue, recounts are demanded, and a drive by Jesse Jackson and his nitwit Rainbow-PUSH organization to get Obama seated as the candidate gets underway. Cries of racism are predictably uttered and summarily ignored. Party members are jumping ship in droves as more dirty dealings and lies are dug up on Hillary and Bill, who are floundering in the debates against McCain.
-November, 2008 - - McCain handily wins the election in a near-landslide. The fragmented Democratic Party is in shambles.
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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CONT.
-January, 2009 - - McCain is sworn in amidst protests and demands for recounts by the Democrats. As per usual, this is the only plan of action they seem to be able to muster up.
-February, 2009 onward - - The country settles down after a momentous election, safely and successfully, once again under rational, sensible Republican rule. But this time, the Democratic Party has splintered apart, defected to the Independents, the Libertarians, the Greens, the ACLU or wherever stupe Democrats go when they realize they can't get their way.
You can clip and save and put this on your refrigerator, and watch it all unfold.
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Isoparm1 year, 8 months ago
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As I described in previous discussions, I made it clear that a conservative mindset is independent of party affiliation (although they are drawn to the Republican party due its simplistic, contrived, us vs. them mentality). That Hillary got the win in Pen. is proof of this. After once supporting her, I have seen after her participation in the last couple of debates, that she is clueless in how she would try to turn this country around. She shamelessly panders to the special interests that she depends on for her support. Her comments on the ME confirms this. She has been bought and paid for by the same zionists that bought Bush, and are currently handling McCain. Her attacks on Obama are definitely the same ol' Washington sh*t that she claims to want to change.
Most of the money for Obama, comes from grass-roots inspired, small-contribution individual donors. The majority of Hillary's funds are from special interest groups. Which group SHOULD a candidate be beholden too?
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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exactly. hillary is simply trying to win. she doesn't seem to care how much of her soul she sells along the way.
most people don't seem to be getting the fact that she's calling in all of her favors right now and getting other favors on credit. so if she does get into office, she'll have to first pay back all of the fat cats and special interests who helped her get into office. and that will come at our expense.
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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what we have here are two tough candidates. that's why this race is so tight. of course hillary is going to fight until the end. she's a clinton. the clinton's are 7-0 vs. the republicans so you know they're tough.
but not to worry obama fans, last night's spread was barely enough to keep hillary in the race. we all knew it was going to be a fight until the end. it ain't like he's running against some sap like fred thompson.
so we move forward...
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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"so we move forward... "
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
If by "forward" you mean more lies, more corruption, more scandals, more in-fighting, more back-stabbing, more shady dealings uncovered, more racial accusations, more disarray amongst the Democrats, more and more and MORE people defecting the Democrat Party and its screwy ideals as it splinters apart, then yes. You're moving forward at breakneck speed.
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SpareChange1 year, 8 months ago
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You're right saintetienne, we will move forward as Hillary continues to use taboild negative attack tactics against Obama. She didn't gain any ground on him after the attackes, he closed the gap on her regardless of them.
Expect hillary to stick to the republican playbook: negative, petty, immature.
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SpareChange1 year, 8 months ago
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wanna talk about splintering the party?
mcCain's the man for the republicans right?
well yesturday in the Republican primary, Ron Paul still got 17% and Huckabee 6%. So mcCain couldn't even get 3/4 of the republican vote.
And let's look at the republican turnout: 45,000 republicans vs 500,000 dems.
can you hear the republican's splintering?
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NoWayMan1 year, 8 months ago
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riiiiight.
a bushbot trying to accuse others of lying, corruption, scandals and in-fighting.
now THATS funny.
good one frenchie.
and better check your sources. because people are joining the dems in record numbers.
so you're wrong. again. as usual.
but hey, we're used to it.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Anyway, here's my deal for you Dems.
Hussein gets the nod, I abstain.
Hillary gets the nod, I vote Hillary.
Better the liberal who considers me a worthy opponent than the GOP traitor who despises me. Granted that won't mean much in Georgia, but still...
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saintetienne1 year, 8 months ago
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"Better the liberal who considers me a worthy opponent than the GOP traitor who despises me."
I doubt Shrillary is even considering you. Worthy or otherwise. Meanwhile, John McCain, who isn't considering you either, will at least not raise taxes, take your money and give it to undeserving people via goofy, go-nowhere programs, all in the name of "helping the middle and lower classes".
My nod's on McCain.
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Will13131 year, 8 months ago
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John McCain, who isn't considering you either, will at least not raise taxes,
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he's gonna have to pay for the war sometime..
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give it to undeserving people via goofy, go-nowhere programs,
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you mean continue to build schools, roads, and infrastructure in IRAQ instead of taking care of the US of A
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aceofspades11 year, 8 months ago
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Black - you make my point for me - how do you know what I would say if he went to a state school - all four of my sons did & they all have advanced degrees & are at the top of their professions
What makes you think I support Bush? Hundreds of my postings show just the opposite.
You are falling into the trap of race baiting - anytime anyone criticizes Obama you can't see passed the color of his skin. I couldn't give a rat's ass what color he is, but I am deeply offended if you think a black person couldn't be an effective president.
That said - are you anti-feminist because you don't support hillary??
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mwodzinski1 year, 8 months ago
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Congratulation Hillary ... the only true ANTI-REPUBLICAN still in the race. Too bad she is running as a democrat. If she ultimately is elected, then we will be in for four years of her blaming everyone but herself for her poor leadership abilities.
Neither of the three candidates remaining have a proven record of leading their party nor achieving true concensus between both parties. If the president can't lead their own partly nor command the respect of the opposition party, then will will have four more years of the log jam that has become the US political system.
I hope the next presidency is at least entertaining and leaves me at least some money so I can buy gas to get to work.
P.S. Whatever happend to Hillary "Rodham" Clinton. I guess it was time for Hillary to change her spots ... again!
Signed: a Frustrated, Bitter Pennsylvanian - Yes I am BITTER Dammit!
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TOD3961 year, 8 months ago
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This is a good reason to not vote for Obama. Even with all of the trickery and deceit that both sides have been accusing Hillary of, voters are still considering her over a sqeaky-clean Obama. What does that say about Obama? Not much. The hard truth is that Obama can't win the general election and it is looking as though he may seal the win for McCain by continuing to drag on with Hillary. Both candidates are getting bloodied over this and as time wears on, both will become totally incapable of winning the position of dog-catcher, let alone president. As long as they continue to drag each other down, it only stands to strenghten McCain. I am glad that they have such highly skilled campaign managers and that they don't let thier pride get involved. Heh, heh...
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