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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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FTA:
The crime here is not photography. The crime here is what is depicted in the photographs, and as such, the photographs represent very significant evidence, not to be hidden, suppressed, redacted. They should be shown and discussed.
The photographs speak for themselves, and IMO, rathers negates anyones claim that our military are "teams of professionals", the cream of the American crop. Frankly, after seeing those pictures, i am somewhat insulted by anyone making that comment, but it's one i see on Propeller a lot.
Thanks James, great interview!
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injest1 year, 6 months ago
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"They're not taken by journalists or war photographers, but by soldiers themselves. And because they're taken by soldiers themselves, the question arises: are these pictures of policy, or of some aberrant behavior?"
If the pictures were a "policy" how would you have seen them?
Remember when this news hit the press the investigations were already done or in work.
You know about Abu Ghraib because the military/government wanted you to not only know this happened and it's being dealt with.
If Abu Ghraib was part of some secret CIA interrogation why would they make that public?
If it worked you wouldn't want to let the enemy know what's up. And if it didn't work it would be kinda dumb to release that to the press ya think?
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JamesMarcus1 year, 6 months ago
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Since Morris has spent the last two years interviewing not only the soldiers who took the photos but CID investigators, contract interrogators, and Abu Ghraib top brass (including former Brigadier General Janis Karpinski), I'm willing to grant him some expertise on the subject. As for the pictures being "policy," perhaps his language is unclear. What he's asking is: was this behavior officially sanctioned, or were the perpetrators just loose cannons? It's a very legitimate question--perhaps the key to the whole mess.
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injest1 year, 6 months ago
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NoWayMan
um, no. wrong.
"it was made public due to the efforts and conscience of a whistleblower, joe darby.
do some research for chrissakes.
its called "google""
Good advice you should try it some time.
Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
Beginning in 2004, accounts of abuse, torture, sodomy[1] and homicide[2] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention.
Did ya get that? "came to public attention" in 2004
As revealed by the 2004 Taguba Report, a criminal investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command had already been underway since 2003 where multiple recruits from the 320th MP Battalion had been charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with prisoner abuse.
Did ya get that? "Criminal Investigation Command had already been underway since 2003"
Are you aware that the year 2003 is before 2004?
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NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
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in January 2004, who was it that provided a CD of photographs and an anonymous note to Special Agent Tyler Pieron of the US Army Criminal Investigation Command?
Joe Darby.
he had the CD in 2003, which is one year before 2004.
the army had an investigation going in late 2003 but wasn't going to make it public until Darby blew his whistle.
so it ws Darby's actions that forced the military to go public.
booyah
check
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mate
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