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    Bkumm1 year, 6 months ago

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    Well, I didn't say it the columnist did.

    Science is about truth. However, that truth must be reproducible, falsifiable and quantifiable, therefore any discussion of a being called the "Creator" which can not be reproduced, can not be falsified and is, by definition (omniscient, omnipotent), unquantifiable is not science.

    Am I being clear?

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      StillUnashamed1 year, 6 months ago

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      Can a living organism arise from non-living matter? (I may be mistaken but I think the term is "spontaneous generation".) Can that be reproduced or falsified? Yet that is the premise that non-theistic evolution is based upon. Evolutionists accept spontaneous generation of the first life form as truth even though that cannot be reproduced or falsified. Isn't that the question asked by Ben Stein? "Where did life come from?"

      Is it possible to question the conclusions of scientific research without discussing the existance or non-existance of a higher power?

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        Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago

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        In regards to abiogenesis, there is little concrete. However, science is perfectly willing to admit, "We don't know yet. We're working on it."

        MIT has recently constructed organic molecules that self-replicate--an important step in understanding how life may have arisen from non-living matter. An article in Discover magazine a couple of months ago speculates that ice may have contributed greatly to the formation of a range of organic molecular chains.

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          StillUnashamed1 year, 6 months ago

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          You didn't answer my question. Is it possible to question the conclusions of scientific research without discussing the existance or non-existance of a higher power?

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            Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago

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            Of course it is. Science does it all the time. I don't see your point.

            There are competing theories about the origin of life. One of them is panspermia, where the 'seeds' of life arrived via meteors. Life may have been placed here by extra-terrestrials. Ultimately, it is up to the competing hypothesis to make its case.

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              StillUnashamed1 year, 6 months ago

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              Then why is evolution the exception?

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                Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago

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                It isn't. Evolution had Lamarckian as well as Darwinian evolution. Lamark's theory said that organisms passed on traits they gained during their lifetimes. Giraffe necks got longer and longer, the theory went, because giraffe indivuduals stretched their necks during their lives and passed those longer necks on to their progeny. No Lamarckian experiments ever worked as predicted (no matter how many generations of mice have their tails cut off, mice will continue to be born with tails).

                There are people who posit 'guided panspermia'--that aliens are actively guiding the changes we see in organisms. The challenge is still the same: produce a better explanation that fits all the available evidence and provide predictions and confirming experiments. In short, do better science.

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          StillUnashamed1 year, 6 months ago

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          Oh, and I found the article you mentioned and I quote from it:

          "It is not life itself, of course, but it is a kind of molecular model of how self-replication, a most fundamental life process, can occur."

          As to your last sentence in the above post, I note the use of the words "speculates" and "may have." Not "conclude".

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            StillUnashamed1 year, 6 months ago

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            double post

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              Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago

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              Of course I use those words. It would be foolhardy for anyone to slam their fist down on the table and say, "It happened like this. (SLAM) Period."

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