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LARK1 year, 8 months ago
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Hey, do you want Tibet for your goodself to be king there? The Dalai Lama does not want it! He says Tibet is part of China, even he said that! He didn't say it at the beginning of the riots; he said that only after he had lobbied for support and failed to garner enough for him to be king, just support for causing trouble. He denied being connected to the rioters, but he indicated downright refusal to advise the people to stop killing and wounding innocent people while he was supporting Tibet independence which was at least a taciturn support for actions of the rioters. Now he wants to keep clear of those responsible for the riots. Why didn't he do that at the beginning? If he were not part of them, he had FAILED IN HIS ROLE AS A SPIRITUAL LEADER. He had better keep his mouth shut, or give good advice for peace. Is a culture of rioting part of what he wants to preserve? What if every time some people want to preserve a historical building, they start rioting & claiming independence!
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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All this excuses China's invasion and occupation of a separate nation HOW?
Yeah, I know the US invasion and occupation of Iraq is the same thing. Don't even get me started on that. But at least I am willing to admit that it is a violation of international law.
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Mdiar1 year, 8 months ago
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The excuse is simple. China is larger, more powerful and thus is able to do so. China is just large enough that the rest of the world won't do anything about it, much like the United States invading Iraq. International law is a joke. It serves as a way for the powerful to wag a finger at the less powerful and look righteous while doing so.
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skeek1 year, 8 months ago
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The US invasion and occupation of Iraq could only be the same if Iraq has been an integral part of the US for the past 800 years, if China had destroyed Tibet's infrastructure rather than having built and maintained it, and if China was fighting a brutal and bloody guerilla war causing countless deaths, millions of displaced citizens and a flood of refugees. Otherwise there is no comparison.
Besides, Tibet is not and never has been a separate nation.
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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According to theological and historic record, Tibet has been a separate and often powerful nation state since before recorder history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet
Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1950 was bloody, produced its own flood of refugees. Sorry, I am not seeing the moral high ground you communist apologists seem to claim.
The issue now in Tibet is that the Chinese Communist government has undertaken a very deliberate program of resettlement to wipe out Tibetan culture by population infusion and assimilation.
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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Correction: The Above should begin, "According to archaeological and historical record, ..."
Seems I mangled my attempt at archaeological so badly my spell checker mistook it for theological, and substituted that without my noticing it.
Also, the end of that sentence suffered the same fate. "...before recorder history." was not meant to mean before the development of a particular woodwind instrument. I meant to write "...before recorded history."
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skeek1 year, 8 months ago
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Incidentally, prior to that date Tibet was not a nation. If there is anyone who actually founded the nation of Tibet with governance, statehood and territories it is the Mongol Emperor, Genghis Khan, who installed a leader of his choosing to do his bidding. Coincidentally and ironically, that leader was the first, living Dalai Lama. There were some others who were backdated and elevated to this newly created and titled position but they had already been long dead prior to receiving their titles. The Dalai Lamas have always been politicians first and foremost. Now, the Genghis Khan of the today, the USA, wishes to repeat history and reinstall a Dalai Lama to do its bidding.
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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Actually, other than the two countries closer proximity, the USA could make a similar argument. Iraq was conquered by our ally and progenitor, the British empire during WW1.
Tibet and China were conquered by the Mongol empire founded by Genghis Kahn.
Claiming that because nation state 1 and nation state 2 were both conquered by nation state 3, one belongs to the other conquered land is a flimsy stretch taken back to 1918, and even flimsier when pulled all the way back to 1354.
The entire world outside of China saw Mao Zedong ordering the Chinese army's bloody invasion of Tibet in 1950 as one nation state grabbing another sovereign state by military force. However superior the Chinese Communist Party thinks its rule may be to that of a living Buddha, they have no right asserting that superior idea on another land by force of arms.
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LARK1 year, 8 months ago
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You were ashamed of the way the native Americans were treated. But you don't think the native Americans should now declare independence from Britain and kick all others out, right? In this case, there's clearly an invasion in modern human history by people who now call themselves Americans. But Tibet has always been part of China, only that the Dalai Lama had taken advantge of China's troubled times to make himself more powerful and like king there. And, the U.S had taken advantage of that to cause trouble for China. And, there are people who have been indoctrinated and blinded and so have the gut to join the politicians of their country for victimization.
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skeek1 year, 8 months ago
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ETproductions "The entire world outside of China saw Mao Zedong ordering the Chinese army's bloody invasion of Tibet in 1950 as one nation state grabbing another sovereign state by military force. However superior the Chinese Communist Party thinks its rule may be to that of a living Buddha, they have no right asserting that superior idea on another land by force of arms."
This is the mythology but it is incorrect. Tibet was never a sovereign state, your very own links support this, yet you keep repeating it. As for the "bloody invasion" and the Dalai Lama being the "living Buddha" you are seriously off with the fairies. Read history, not hysterical fanatical propaganda.
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ETproductions1 year, 8 months ago
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Wrong. The history (not mine) shows that Tibet was a nation state on and off throughout history and had leaders and territorial sovereignty many times before the birth of Ghencis Kahn.
The fact that the Mongol Empire defeated both modern Tibet and the core area of modern China doesn't in any way make Tibet part of China, so your claim of 800 years of Chinese rule is ridiculous. The Tibetans regained territorial control numerous times after the demise of the Mongol empire and had many sovereign leaders. The end of that sovereignty started in 1950 with Mao's invasion, and ended in a pool of blood in 1959 when all attempts at reconciliation broke down. That's what the history actually shows.
Your twisting of facts and selective reading of history shows you to be a shill for the Chinese Communist leadership. Perhaps our CIA is attempting to help the Dalai Lama. If so, good for them. I hope that the talks at least allow the Tibetans to preserve their unique culture.
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skeek1 year, 8 months ago
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The history you say is not yours has no source. If you could at the very least do that you would establish some credibility. As for the CIA doing some good, when has that ever been the case?
I fully understand why you dismiss me as a shill as it requires no further critical thinking on your part that could just undermine your indoctrination. Your blinders are up as its too challenging to go beyond such comfort zones. When in doubt fall back on the propaganda you know. It's safer that way.
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