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tchef1 year, 7 months ago
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Well if anyone takes the time to listen to more than just the snippets of his sermons you will find that he has not really said anything that should hurt Obama. If you listen to the whole sermon you will find that he was preaching exactly the opposite of what the news channels and Rush say he was.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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>>Was this before or after he cursed America?
Do you even know WHAT he was saying? I'll give you a brief synopsis:
He was discussing the US's treatment of Native Americans. He was also discussing its treatment of Japanese Americans during WW-II, its support for Apartheid South Africa, its dealings with despots & tyrants around the world under the guise of "fighting Communism" which hurt or killed hundreds of thousand if not millions of innocents, its treatment of Black Americans from Slavery through segregation & institutionalized racism, and its allowance of the suffering & death of INNOCENTS in this country & abroad through its policies or indifference.
If you have a problem with him condemning anyone for those actions, then the blood & suffering of the innocents are as much on your head as on the heads of those whose policies resulted in the pain, suffering & death of innocents.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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Condemnation is the province of God, not Man. It is God who will judge those who judge others. It is fine to bear witness to the atrocities of our government, a patriot and Christ-like act. It is NOT Christ-like, patriotic, or humble and obedient to the commandments of our Savior to scream "God damn America" from your pulpit. I have seen here no argument to refute this.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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You're right, "Condemnation is the province of God, not Man."
God has also said that if you do certain things, you will be damned. Wright was pointing out what we, as a nation, have done which is leading to our damnation, as a nation.
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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Dropkick, it was definitely after America allowed itself to abide laws and practices that were damning unto itself; ask which ones were those, like you don't know. How many murders, rapes, thefts and and untold stories of law enforcement and court sanctioned atrocities has gone on without remedy? Don't get to righteous, you may be asked to throw the first stone. It is folly to focus on one man and not the ongoing practices he is talking about. You will still find Black Balling and Redlining going on today, even glass ceilings; women are currently trying to get a "Fair Pay" act passed in congress. What Reverend Wright says little to do with the state of America. Be glad that "W" in that Patriot Act, LOL, didn't take his/our 1st Amendment rights away so he couldn't voice an opinion, as the other rights are violated. Reverend did not commit a crime; but he did one good thing, bringing you out so I can tell you to fix the problem and Reverend Wright will go away.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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tchef - As you may well know most of these guys don't want to hear what the REV has to say. They have found their bone and like a dog they are not giving it up for anything. Their interest is not understanding but polarization, separation and racism. They are raciest and they have found their voice at the behest of the Clinton's (bill Jackson remark). I don't think we should concern ourselves with these people they were never going to vote for him anyway. Their intent now is to convert as many to their raciest views as possible. These very people stood by a republican congress covered up the action of a known child molester and still voted for those members. To me they are in no way qualified to pass judgment on anyone. Rev Right was Quoting the president of Iran when he said "the chicken is coming home to rust" But if you haven't listen to the entire recordings you wouldn't know that.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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A socialist is a Marxist by nature and therefore, has a bias against democracy. State ownership of the means of production is not democratic. You are a lying goose-stepping Libbot, blindly following the party line. Socialist want to steal from the successful to give to their political flunkies.
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Grrr1 year, 7 months ago
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Well, it's no surprise that you don't understand the meanings of the words "Marxist", "socialist", or "democracy".
What is not democratic about nationalizing some critical industries? Answer is NOTHING. You've confused capitalism with democracy. One is political, the other economic, and they are not mutually exclusive in anyone's book but the greedheads in this country that you so shamelessly shill for.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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Drop are you talking about Bush and them because that's what they are doing correct? You are either really young or suffering from some mental illness. I don't mean to make fun of you but most of the things you say are out and out stupid. We all know bush and co are the biggest pilfers in the history of this nation, only they are stealing from the poor to give to their political flunkies. You are off your rockers. I think you are mad. It's only am mad person that would say what you just said!
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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Drop, my reason is because it is what good Americans do. We may not agree by defend the right to express themselves. Had he said, the Oklahoma bombing was the way, then we have a problem. Remember the Flag Burning flap during Viet Nam? America is still standing, isn't it. Reverend Wright made a conditional statement, for your information. The condition was that if America didn't get it right, then the obvious, don't expect God to Bless America, which is biblical, not to lie or deceive yourself but God Damn America. So, in the end, this is not about defending Reverend Wright, rather it is to educate you my fellow countryman. Do you feel educated now?
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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"Political commentary of that sort is inappropriate in the course of a sermon, in any case. Stick to the Bible"
The Bible's full of political commentary. Especially the Gospels and in particular Jesus's criticisms regarding the political structure of the time, one very similar to that of the US.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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>>Chickens rust? Political commentary of that sort is inappropriate in the course of a sermon, in any case. Stick to the Bible...or run for office.
Political commentary? That's more of a "you reap what you sow" type of thing - which IS a Biblical reference. As in, "They will be known by the fruits of their labors."
So to take his SERMON & try to force it into a political discrediting of a candidate WHO DIDN'T EVEN DELIVER THE SERMON is just STOOOOPID!!!!!
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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tchef, the "snippets" wherein he damns the nation to which he owes his life and freedom are a great sufficiency of what he has to say. He is to me the perfect example of a person who has spoken so objectionably that I cannot hear anything else he has to say, no matter how right, generous, forgiving, whatever. Foolishness is largely what comes out of the mouths of fools, and even though there may be occasional wisdom, I don't hear it.
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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Tkychnos, I think your statement was analogous, a paraphrase to the definition of what a Bigot is. You really don't want to go down the path of "owe". There is a debt that is still pending; and you don't know enough history to connect the dots to freedom . . . did you say? You can get some of that gum for a dirty mouth when you start talking about owing. People like Reverend Wright has you a full measure on the subject of owing. You may not want to hear it; that someone with their head in the sand, and that is often the case when you are trying not to own up to your debt. You need to be more aware. Let that line stay on the movies until you can talk about Rosewood or Greenwood.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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You accuse me of ignorance and bigotry, but you don't know me. This has happened to me before because I refuse to recognize anyone as different from me because of skin color, except in matters where pigment is concerned. I expect persons who call themselves Christian to at least attempt to follow the example of our Lord Jesus and to apologize and make amends when they fail. Jesus was quite explicit in his commandments; there are only two. Wright's speech in question does not support or follow either one. I have been aware of and opposed to racism since before I ever went to elementary school, and can discuss Rosewood or Greenwood or Memphis or Mobile or Wounded Knee or number of other horrific incidents in our history. For these I neither owe nor am I owed anything beyond remembrance and the duty to pass on knowledge, in the hope that the present and future can avoid repeating the worst of the past.
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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Tkyie, Try to make your statement again without thinking about owing. Right, I don't know you, but what you said was out there. That righteousness did nothing for me. If you think that Reverend Wright owes silence and submission for the right to seem like a good American, that is the wrong signal. Re-read your statement to see you went down the wrong path, causing you to side step now. Just say you made a boo-boo, I'd rather you just say that. Try not to make statements like Reverend Wright that are offensive, unless they are constructive. Recall Jesus talking to the publicans, see Matthew 9:11-13; so by example, Wright did act to help the nation to repent. Good he didn't follow the one of driving them from the temple. Back to you, that owe thing could make someone feel there are Masters and Lords, superior beings who have paid the debt and have dominion over those lessor things who don't realize the rose tinted view. You are there with Obama and his "Bitter" Moment.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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There is a price to live in a free society, and we must all pay it in one way or another. Wright is not, as demonstrated by the manner in which he lives, a victim of our society or our government. I encourage his calling down our government or our society for its sins, I even consider it a part of his responsibility as a Christian minister. I admonish him as a fellow Christian that condemnation (damning) goes beyond the pale of his Christian authority, and is in direct conflict with the commandments of our Savior, and will only serve to alienate and divide. I support his right as an American to speak as he wishes, but if he wishes to be respected as a man of God instead of just as any loud-mouth citizen, then he should set a Christ-like example.
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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Tky, I can go for the last part, about respect and all. Mindful he was in his church, and I see he's not there now . . . his opinion was permitted, if not appreciated. I can think of several noted ministers who are known for advancing the notion that God will damn what they don't like; some who's name start with H. Wright shouldn't do it either, but that is off the subject of this "paying" in a society. That's an issue for the IRS. This is April and I still remember. If you are questioning his allegiance, then you may be as judgmental as you accuse him. We are working toward a more perfect union, considering that this nation has not always behaved by acting with parity, compassion and against things that "God do hate", all seven of them. You surely can go out there and find the things you can change, accept those you can't and know the difference. Vote Obama and see how change feels.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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I assure you that if I am able to make it to the polls, I will vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party, just as I have for every election since 1972. I did not vote for Obama in the primary, but if he gets the nod I will proudly vote for him for President. His preacher does not reflect so badly on him to me as to some people; if he's doing his job in the legislature he's not home for many Sunday sermons anyway. Wright rubs me the wrong way for reasons of religion, not politics.
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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gotta agree with you on that one dropkick.
just what is this guy doing?
perhaps he wants to really get this all out of the way before Obama takes on McCain. because when the GOP tries to bring this up again (and they will, bet on it) it will be beyond flogging a dead horse, we'll all roll our collective eyes as we move forward.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Unfortunately not. Negative memes have a way of sticking, just like the whole 'Obama is Muslim' thing. Wholly discredited, sure, but in a recent poll 13% of respondents think Obama in a Muslim.
Heck, my mother won't vote for him because she still harbors a 'sneaking suspicion'.
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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you're right. negativity does stick. but by the time the GOP brings this up again it will just be broken reocrd material. no one will have their mind changed by it. after the goal will be to shame people for voting for obama even though they don't attribute one man's beliefs to another man and don't believe Wright is some sort of anti-american secret agent.
so we need to call it out for what it is: swiftboating.
in another recent poll, 25% said McCain's age is a relevant concern.
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lum-chate1 year, 7 months ago
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Wright seems more interested in defending himself and cares
less & less about Obama. He definitely has a book in mind & this seems like a bookmaking tour. He is hurting Obama & though that's fine with me I don't see how Obama supporters are in turn defending Wright.
Obama is done anyway with his wife, his minister, his million man march pals & his rubbing elbows with the terrorist underground the die is cast on this guy. The vultures are hovering above the carcus it's just amatter of time!
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