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Posted By not2needy 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsTexas - Texas officials told legislators Wednesday that they're investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect's ranch, as well as broken bones among other children.
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not2needy1 year, 8 months ago
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FTA:
In written and oral testimony provided to lawmakers Wednesday, officials with the state Department of Family and Protective Services said interviews and journal entries suggested that boys may have been sexually abused.
Earlier, the department's commissioner, Carey Cockerell, told lawmakers that at least 41 children, some of them "very young," have evidence of broken bones.
The state has custody of 464 children from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in the west Texas prairie town of Eldorado, including a baby born to a teen mother Tuesday.
This just gets sicker all the time. However in this article, it explains the lengths the mothers of these children were willing to go to in order to keep the authorities from finding the truth, i.e., changing names, erasing names from name bands and exchanging children.
An honestly sick bunch, sexually perverse, IMO..
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
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Although I am distraught by what I see coming out of this story, perhaps we should be taking something else away from this.
There are two questions that keep popping into mind for me about this story.
1. This is about sex and power not religion. If this country could look at sex in a natural way and not be so repressed about it, would this kind of thing happen? If a man or woman could have two or more spouses openly, wouldn't this kind of thing cease to be a problem? It went on so long and abusively because it was in the shadows.
2. What is it about religion that drives this quest for power? We've seen this come up quite a bit over the last several years and I just don't understand it. Christianity, the religion with which I am most familiar, does not support a quest for power in this world, but rather a surrender of power in this world in an effort to better love our fellow humans. I just don't get it.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 8 months ago
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"Christianity is a surrender of power, not a quest for power"
A pleasant thought, but not entirely accurate. It may be true for you and other individuals on a personal level, but on an institutional level, religion is about power over the people.
You can't tell me the Catholic church isn't all about the power.
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blinkers1 year, 8 months ago
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True, CTC. The Catholic Church, no matter what precepts it was founded upon, is an organization. And organizations are generally about power -- the more power, the stronger the organization, the stronger the organization, the more power it accrues, on down the line.
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questionseverything1 year, 8 months ago
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one of the things that bothers me about all of this is
the "state" is protecting these children in an illegal manner,by law each of those kids should of had a mini trial before they were put into foster care..we call them shelter care hearings in illinois and they have to happen with in 48 hrs...in tx its 2 weeks BUT the state of tx did not give them individual trials///they did a group thingy,that violates every one of those kids civil rights as well as their parents
i am not bringing this up to defend those parents...i dont know what happened by my folks taught me...when a facist dictator comes along and starts to deny peops their civil rights they ALWAYS start with unpopular groups
we have seen "them" start with terrorist,druggies,sex offenders
we could be listing the gypsys and the jews just as easily
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lvrofwolves1 year, 8 months ago
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Well given the enormous size of the situation,the amount of children involved, shouldn't removing the kids be a priority for their protection? There are 100s of lawyers,and many other agencies involved and many offering free services, others offering these people lodging etc...
this case is not the norm, I hope everyone involved tries to do their best possible.
Civil rights of the children? so far it looks as tho their civil rights have been violated by the parents and the people running that 'compound', if you have to fore go some legal rights in order to protect the kids from further abuse....I'd be willing to do that myself.
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quackpot1 year, 8 months ago
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My understanding is that each child has his/her own attorney. Are you sure that individual family court hearings (not trials) are not planned for the near future? In most states, the removal of childern from a dangerous situation is the first item of business (done), finding a suitable foster home is the second item of business (done), long-term legal issues that may extend for a year or more are the thrid item (in progress).
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questionseverything1 year, 8 months ago
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the "trial " that happened 2 weeks after the kids were taken was conducted in 1 day...no way they gave each child a fair hearing...or each parent a fair hearing....in the US we r suppose to be innocent until proven guilty
the removal of children is one thing but the hearing for the state to prove their case ,the 2 week hearing,COULD NOT OF POSSIBLELY BEEN LEGAL because there are not enough hours in a day to give ovr 400 kids a hearing
Civil rights of the children? so far it looks as tho their civil rights have been violated by the parents and the people running that 'compound', if you have to fore go some legal rights in order to protect the kids from further abuse....I'd be willing to do that myself.
wolves proves my point....the fascists take an un popular group and decent peops give up SOMEONE ELSES RIGHTS in a heartbeat
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Natureboy1 year, 8 months ago
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What is it about religion that drives this quest for power?
What is it about power that it seeks to dignify itself as religion?
Judeo-christian religion, at least, seems to be the process of putting one's words in the mouth of the Ultimate Authority Figure in the sky so everyone will do what you say.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"Judeo-christian religion, at least, seems to be the process of putting one's words in the mouth of the Ultimate Authority Figure in the sky so everyone will do what you say. "
Attributing to a religion the problem that is plainly the fault of the person who uses religion seems dishonest.
When someone uses lies and excuses outside of religion to push their agenda it's the exact same thing as someone using religious lies and excuses to push their agenda. It's the person doing it and not the fault of the religion. Unless, of course, the religion as a whole in some way supports the claims of that person.
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blinkers1 year, 8 months ago
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Yes, Bkumm, I'd go along with your views, and definitely share your incomprehension at what appears to have gone on, in this secretive compound. I don't get it either.
But those empowered to uphold the law, and enforce its dictates, do not have the luxury of "incomprehension". Laws appear to have been broken, and action is needed to bring wrongdoers to justice. Hopefully this process will mean the very minimum of discomfort for the truly innocent.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
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When I have observed the mothers of these children speak, they seem awfully removed from reality. It appears to me that these are traumatized people that have been living in a sort of hellish dreamworld for so long that they are removed from the important concerns mothers and parents would have for their children.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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Humanity has always had its horrors.
One has to look no further than China under Mao as an example of what horrors humans can perpetrate upon one another as a rule to see that it has nothing to do with Religion and that people will often co-opt or use religion to excuse their basically human actions.
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Poulenc1 year, 8 months ago
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But isn't religion ABOUT, at least in part, surrendering TO authority--to the ultimate one "up there?" (Let's put the niceties of finding the self by giving it up aside for now.)
Those who manage the flock are by definition acting in loco deitis (I just made that word up, but you follow); it's all too tempting to abuse that role, and many do.
A sect is the whole deal in seriously pathological mode, as it's main job is to create a hermetic, "impenetrable" world with its own rules within the world, to do its best to exclude any challenges to its authority/autonomy.
Ergo a great potential for abuse, as we've recently seen.
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Natureboy1 year, 8 months ago
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"Attributing to a religion the problem that is plainly the fault of the person who uses religion seems dishonest."
The problem is at least in part the problem of a religion that teaches obedience to authority and establishes priests and ministers as that authority. A religion which taught people to be self-directed instead of mind-fscking them into thinking they are "lost" and need the church, or a church leader, to lead them to the light, would not have such problems.
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