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Posted By hyperbola 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsAn Israeli professor dicusses the mechanisms of denial used in Israel, America and around the world to cover up zionist crimes against humanity.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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From the article:
> There were Palestinians living in Israel under military rule until 1967. These were the people who experienced the arbitrary rule of the whim of a military officer, whose lives were in the hands of someone who knew or cared nothing about them, long before the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. After that, the denial simply extended to the occupied territories.
This is not true. There were Israeli Arabs living in Israel under the same rule all other Israeli citizens lived. There were Arabs who lived in Israel illegally (just like illegal immigrants in the US do) and these people were subjected to (no, not "arbitrary", of course) appropriate actions of the authorities. Further, neither Israeli Arabs nor Arabs living in other places were 'Palestinians' prior to the late 1960 when Palestinians as an ethnicity were invented.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh how desperate you racist zionists from eastern europe are to invent "palestinian racists" to justify your own crimes against humanity directed at christian and moslem palestinians! Previously I have given you numerous lists of book from our library of congress regarding the Palestinian people as far back as the 16 century, so you are also simply a repetitive liar.
Face it thinker, even mideastern jews see through your crimes.
Gilad Atzmon - The Tzabar and the Sabbar
Religion â;; Zionism is a total disaster - colonial, expansionist, nationalist philosophy based on racial chauvinism. Hebraic cultural realty, slang, food, blue sky, sea, desert, spring and autumn, hills and valleys, olive trees... all belong to the land (Palestine) rather than the swelling apartheid State that seized it momentarily (Israel).
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/01/05/...
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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It is not a coincidence that the first official definition of "Palestinians" appeared in the Palestinian Charter in 1968.
It is also no coincidence that not a single book or article about Palestinian people, their culture and history that was published prior to 1960 can be found.
The reason is pretty simple: prior to 1960 the term "Palestinian" had a meaning "someone living in Palestine" be it an Arab, a Jew, an Armenian or a Druze. In the late 1960s the definition of Palestinians as "Arabs who lived in Palestine for at least two years and all their descendants" was adopted. According to this definition, an Egyptian Yasser Arafat was a Palestinian; an American Edward Said was a Palestinian; Ariel Sharon who was born in Palestine and lived there all his life is not a Palestinian.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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What silly confabulations you have to invent to cover up zionist crimes against humanity! Actually sane, honest jews who have not succumbed to zionist perversions are more than happy to call themselves palestinian jews.
Jewish Palestinian speaks out against 'apartheid state'
Fitted in a dress shirt and suspenders--his front pocket brimming with scribbled cues--Dr. Uri Davis looks very much an academic. He sports a silver goatee and thinning hair, gregariously speaking with sparse, sardonic jibes. The Jewish scholar stands poised before a roused group of undergraduates, behind a podium draped in a Palestinian banner. Organized by the National Council on Canada-Arab Relations and Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights, Davis' keynote address at Toronto's York University is no sober oration, though. His is a heartfelt plea.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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"The flag of the state of Israel does not represent for me any signifier of pride or contentment. The flag of my country, the flag of Palestine, is the flag I'm happy to speak behind," he says with scorn.
"I identify my country as the country of Palestine. I identify the state in which I'm a citizen as the state of Israel, a member state of the United Nations organization. It has a flag under which I personally would not wish to speak. The flag is raised upon detention and torture centres, police stations and prisons, where political detainees are incarcerated."
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Davis is a Jewish citizen of Israel, but staunchly identifies himself as a "Palestinian Jew." Born in an undivided Jerusalem in 1943--raised by his British and Czechoslovakian parents--he is an unlikely booster of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). For 30 years, the anthropologist and philosopher excavated Israel's democracy, trying to expose what he calls the "pervasive system of legal and social discrimination" against the Palestinian people. Davis is the founding member and chairperson of the Movement against Israeli Apartheid in Palestine (MAIAP) and an observer-member with the Palestinian National Council. An expert on Middle Eastern affairs and Islamic history, he is a fellow at the University of Durham and the University of Exeter in the U.K.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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..The human rights defender has written and edited 15 books and numerous articles on politics, legal systems and human rights in Israel and Palestine. In his first book, Israel An Apartheid State, originally published in 1987, he claimed Israeli legislation guarantees the rights of only a "subset of its citizenry." He followed its success with his autobiography, Crossing the Border, and his most recent release, Apartheid Israel: Possibilities for the Struggle Within.
Davis resides in the Arab city of Sakhnin in northern Israel, although as a Jew, he may live anywhere in the state--a right denied to his Arab neighbours. He arrived in Sakhnin as director of external relations with the Arab Institute for Vocational Completion. And after his service there, he saw no reason to change his address.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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His adopted home is not a collegiate town, nor a trendy tourist locale. It's an industrial park with no industrial plants of which to speak. However, as the only Jew, he does not face life imprisonment for membership in an illegal organization. He does not have tanks outside his window threatening his children. He says he has yet to be denied access to hospital treatment, or delayed "indefinitely" at a military checkpoint--the usual indignities endured by Palestinians. Here, Davis' choice of residence reflects his commitment to a future in which all Jews and Palestinians enjoy equal rights.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Standing up as a Jew
His consciousness comes from the Holocaust. His Jewish mother's family was killed in World War II, following the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. "Her values underpinned my moral development and are universally relevant for all concerned, including myself," he remarked in an article in The Irish Times. In it, he also accused Israel of exploiting the extermination of Jews in Europe, describing it as "a direct assault" on his ancestors.
He says: "The publishing of any criticism of Israel charged with being anti-Semitic has been an instrument of intimidating critical debate on Israel for decades. It's therefore essential to base or anchor our narrative in fundamental separation between Zionism and Judaism. It's the most difficult obstacle that faces us."
Political Zionism, he says, is as a "wholly negative proposition."
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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"Zionist is not my identity. I operate on the basis of a clear distinction between Zionism and Judaism. I have nothing against the Jewish collective tribal identity or theological identity.. But Zionism is separate. It's a political program and has nothing to do with professional identity.
"I don't have a problem with Jewish identity; I have a problem with the claim that it is justified, that in the name of the national liberation of the Jewish people, to perpetuate crimes against humanity and war crimes."
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His duty, he says, is the same of all persons' worldwide--to mobilize against war crimes perpetrated by governments in citizens' own names. "Not in my name," Davis cries out--a closed hand gesticulating his affront. "Not in my name as an individual and citizen." He raises his voice as loud as he is able to shout. "Not in my name as a Jew."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-124009042.html
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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It's pretty comical that 'Hyperbola' continues to put so much irrelevant garbage and is unable to answer even the simplest questions directly related to her statement. Here is a couple of examples of such questions she is unable to answer:
1. WHO are Palestinians?
2. WHAT is "Ethnic cleansing"?
3. WHAT is "Apartheid"?
4. Is a country where NON-citizens do not have the same rights citizens have guilty of "Apartheid" (Yes/No)?
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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1. Palestinians are the peoples of palestine, including those ethnic cleansed by zionists and registered by the UN as such (over 5 million - for almost all, exact decriptions of the land and property stolen from them by zionists are held by the UN).
2. You will find an exact description of the legal definition of ethnic cleansing and a detailed analysis of why this applies to palestine in an analysis of official israeli documents by an isreali professor.
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
by Ilan Pappe
University of Haifa
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=view...
3. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967
59th Session of the General Assembly of the UN
http://www.pchrgaza.org/Library/Dugard.pdf
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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4. If you stopped chanting slogans and read Uri Davis' article above, you would have seen that he was referring to christian and moslem citizens of israel. Racism in israeli law has been demonstrated in many places. For exanple, the nazis forbid marriage between germans and jews - the zionist israelis forbid marriage of christians and moslems to those of their choice. Of course, the "law" is only part of the problem since zionist interpretation of law is also racist and much like the "jim crow" period in the US.
Furthermore, herding the "subhumans" into bantustans and then saying they don't have to be counted is another of the apartheid style subterfuges practised by the zionists to hide the fact that jews are only 35% of the palestinian population.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> Previously I have given you numerous lists of book from our library of congress regarding the Palestinian people as far back as the 16 century...
... but, alas, you were unable to find even ONE book about the Palestinian people that was published prior to 1960.
You have another chance to show me ONE such book. Good luck!
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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How far back would you like to go? Original books are available from as early as the 14th century and more recent compilations go back to books from as long ago as the 11th century. Your lies are astoudingly ignorant.
Reyssbuch dess Heyligen Lands, das ist, Ein Grundtlichebeschreibung aller vnd jeder Meer vnd Bilgerfahrten zum Heyligen Lande ... beneben eyngefuÌ;hrter auch eigentlicher Beschreibung dess gantzen Heyligen Lands Palaestinae ...
Published/Created: Gedruckt zu Franckfort am Mayn : Durch Johann Feyerabendt in Verlegung Sigmundt Feyerabendts, im Jar 1584.
Itinerarius a Jerusalem per diversas mundi partes
Published/Created: Antverpiae, excudebat I. VVIthagius, 1565.
Iter ad Terram Sanctam.
Antwerp, Gerardus Leeu, ca. 1485
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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al-HÌ£adÌ£rah al-unsiÌ;yah fiÌ; al-rihÌ£lah al-QudsiÌ;yah : min 17 JumaÌ;daÌ; al-AÌ;khirah hÌ£attaÌ; ghurrat ShaÊ»baÌ;n sanat 1101 H / li-Ê»Abd al-GhaniÌ; al-NaÌ;bulusiÌ; ; tahÌ£qiÌ;q wa-diraÌ;sat Akram HÌ£asan al-Ê»UlabiÌ;.
Le voyage de GalileÌ;e.
A Paris : Chez Michel Le Petit et Estienne Michallet ..., 1670
La peregrination spirituelle : vers la Terre Saincte, co[m]me en Ierusalem, Bethlehem, au Iordan, etc. / composeÌ;e en langue Thyoise par feu F. Iean Pascha ; et nouellement translatʹee par venerable seigneur Nicolas de Leuze, dict de Fraxinis.
A Louain : De l'imprimerie de Iean Bogardt ..., 1566
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Hadriani Relandi Palaestina, ex monumentis veteribus illustrata, in tres libros distributa, tabulis geographicis necessariis, iisque accuratis exornata, et a multis insuper, quae in primam editionem irrepserant, menis purgata.
Norimbergae, apud P.C. Monathum, 1716
True and strange discourse of the travailes of two English pilgrimes ... to Jerusalem, Gaza, Grand Cayro / Henry Timberlake.
London : Printed [by Edward Allde] for Thomas Archer, and are to bee solde at his shop ..., 1608.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> 1. Palestinians are the peoples of palestine, including...
...ALL Israeli Jews as they're "peoples of Palestine", too.
> 2. You will find an exact description of the legal definition of ethnic cleansing...
In other words, you're UNABLE to DEFINE what the subject of majority of your complaints is.
> 3. Special Rapporteur... 59th Session of the General Assembly of the UN ...
Special Rapporteur is "Apartheid"??? Session of the General Assembly of the UN is "Apartheid"??? It seems that you have no clue about this one either.
You're pitiful.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Poor thinker. Nothing but denial of reality. the israeli author of the top story here is exactly right about you.
1. Yes, jews are peoples of palestine too. If they are smart and american zioncon extremists do not force them into suicide, they will join with christians and moslems in the ONLY solution that guarantees their long-term survival in the mideast.
Why Israel Has No "Right to Exist" as a Jewish State
Religion â;; The Annapolis meeting is a con. We should say loud and clear that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state. To claim such a right to be racist must come from a being whose victim's face must hide very dark primordial aggression and hatred of all others.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2007/11/21/...
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Palestine: Democracy, Not Zionism
Do No Evil â;; No one would suggest that the moral, ethical and intellectual transformation necessary to achieve a decent "one-state solution" will be easy. However, more and more people now recognize that a decent "two-state solution" has become impossible.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2007/11/26/...
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...Beschreibung dess gantzen Heyligen Lands Palaestinae ...
I've asked for a book that was describing the PALESTINIANS, their culture and history; a book that was published prior to 1960. NOT a "Description of all the Holy Land of Palestine" (yes, my German is a good as my English is).
To make it easier for you to understand the difference between "Holy Land of Palestine" and "Palestinians" please consider that a book about "beautiful Philadelphia", for example, does not necessarily prove the existence of a special distinct nation of Philadelphians having their unique culture, history, language, etc.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Well thinker, would you say that a book about israel that describes the country and its people proves that the isreali people do not exist? Your hypocrisy is astounding. if you can read arabic and turkish, many more sources are available. If not, here is a place where you can find hsitorical records over centuries of palestinian towns and villages destroyed by zionist ethnic cleansers.
Destroyed villages
Over a period of two years, from 1947-1949, the Zionists demolished 419 Arab villages and depopulated the Palestinian Arabs in those towns. When the state of Israel was established in 1948 it became apparant that this Zionist policy was a systematic state-sponsored program to replace Palestinians and their land with Jews and Jewish villages.
The following are some quotes by a Palestinian author, Walid Khalidi and Israeli war hero, Moshe Dayan.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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"By the end of the 1948 war, hundreds of entire villages had not only been depopulated but obliterated, their houses blown up or bulldozed. While many of the sites are difficult to access, to this day the observant traveller of Israeli roads and highways can see traces of their presence that would escape the notice of the casual passer-by: a fenced-in area, often surmounting a gentle hill, of olive and other fruit trees left untended, of cactus hedges and domesticated plants run wild. Now and then a few crumbled houses are left standing, a neglected mosque or church, collapsing walls along the ghost of a village lane, but in the vast majority of cases, all that remains is a scattering of stones and rubble across a forgotten landscape."
Walid Khalidi, Palestinian author, All That Remains.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab Population."
Moshe Dayan, Israeli war hero, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969)
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_v...
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...Le voyage de Galile�;e.
A book about travel to Galilee proves the existence of a special distinct nation of Palestinians (Galileans?) no more than a book about travel to California proves the existence of a special distinct "Californian nation".
Again, I've asked for a book about PALESTINIANS, not about PALESTINE.
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> 1. Palestinians are the peoples of palestine, including...
It seems that your definition of 'Palestinians' is (at least partially) similar to mine. I also believe that Palestinians are ALL people of Palestine. I do not agree, however, that a person who's ancestors once lived in Palestine but he/she is living in London or Cairo is a "Palestinian". At least, no more than a person who's ancestors once lived in California is a "Californian" despite him/her living in France.
Please consider that children and grandchildren of people who fled their native Poland, Hungary, Romania or Germany during WWII are NOT Polish, Hungarians, Romanians or Germans if they live in the US. They are AMERICANS.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Sorry, but the world and the UN do not agree with your cheap attempts to excuse ethnic cleansing. The world supports the right of return for palestinians that have been ethnic cleansed by zionists and has done so ALWAYS. That is why the UN has lists of some 5 million palestinains (and the land and property stolen from them by zionists) with right of return.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...the UN has lists of some 5 million palestinains (and the land and property stolen from them by zionists) with right of return.
One can register with the UN as a 'refugee' (given he/she is an Arab) but such registration DOES NOT mean these people have a "right" to return to a sovereign state where they've never lived.
Further, any person who's land and property were stolen from him/her by zionists has the right (and is encouraged to) bring his/her case to the Israeli court and demand compensation.
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> They include lots of description of the people of palestine. Stop lying.
Unlike you, I NEVER lie, 'hyperbola'. Yes, these books include "lots of description of the people of palestine", no doubt about it. These books, however, DO NOT include any descriptions of the 'PALESTINIANS' as a distinct ethnic entity, an ethnic entity similar to Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Druzes, Kirkassians and some other REAL people of Palestine who lived in Palestine for hundreds of years and continue living there today.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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You forgot to include jews in your list. About 40,000 of them also lived in palestine in 1900. Why do you think that particular minority has the right to ethnic cleanse all the rest?
Americans include all manner of races and religions, just as palestinians include quite a range of different ethnic groups and religions. Interestingly enough, palestinain christians have long been leaders in the fight for freedom from zionist racism. With this kind of argument you simply underline that you have never understood the basic principles of american democracy.
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Thinker221 year, 8 months ago
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> ...would you say that a book about israel that describes the country and its people proves that the isreali people do not exist?
No, I would say that the Israelis AS AN ETHNICITY do not exist. Israel is A NATION (a STATE) and an 'Israeli' means "nationality", NOT ethnicity. Children of an Israeli who were born in Malaysia, for example, because their parents moved to Kuala Lumpur for whatever reason are NOT Israelis, they are Malaysians. Canadian citizens who's granparents fled to Canada because of the Russian revolution in 1917 are NOT Soviets and NOT Russians, they are Canadians of Russian or Ukrainian ethnicity. Similarly, children of people who NEVER lived in Israel and NEVER were Israeli citizens are NOT Israelis.
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hyperbola1 year, 8 months ago
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Sorry thinker, but ethnic cleansing millions of people only qualifies israel as a racist state. No state or religion in the world accepts murder or theft as acceptable ways to gain wealth and property - and that goes for israel too.
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