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Posted By hyperbola 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsHis duty, he says, is the same of all persons' worldwide--to mobilize against war crimes perpetrated by governments in citizens' own names. "Not in my name," Davis cries out--a closed hand gesticulating his affront. "Not in my name as an individual and citizen." He raises his voice as loud as he is able to shout. "Not in my
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Edmar141 year, 6 months ago
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There are 55 Moslem countries in the world. 52 of them are text book aparthied states. Women, and non moslems are treated as second and third class citizens. Non Moslims are not permitted to enter Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians however are not Israeli citizens and as such are not entitled to the same rights as citizens. That is not aparthied, as aparthied is an afrikaner word that was created to segregate white citizens from non white citizens. Every country has different standards for citizens and non citizens. Hyperbola just happens to miss these little important realities. How convenient!!!!!
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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How you must weasel and wiggle to cover up zionist crimes against humanity Edmar! Good to see that there are jews like Uri Davis who outright call you a liar. Of course, even israeli newspapers call you a liar.
Yes, it is Israeli apartheid
Religion â;; It is entirely clear why the word apartheid terrifies us so. What should frighten us, however, is not the description of reality, but reality itself. Even Ehud Olmert has understood at last that continuing the present situation is the end of the Jewish democratic state.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/04/28/...
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Edmar141 year, 6 months ago
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The truth really doesn't make a bit of difference to you, does it Hyperbola. You Google your way into stupidity and then don't even have the intelligence to respond to the facts that are being presented to you. 52 Moslem countries practice their own brand of aparthied. It's a fact. Women and non Muslims are treated as second and third class citizens behind Muslim men. The other fact is that Palestinians are not Israeli citizens unless things have changed within the last few minutes. Therefore, the definition of aparthied does not apply, even though Jimmy Carter and you would disagree, which doesn't account for much within even the smallest circles of intelligence. Take the hint Hyperbola, play within your own league. You don't have the ability to play with the really smart people. Take Google away and you're dead in the water. As for Uri Davis? calling me a liar, I'm sure the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem would do the same. There are misguided people everywhere. Just look at you.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Squirming on the hook of your crimes edmar! First, if you had taken the trouble to read Uri Davis, you would have seen that he is talking about christian and moslem citizens of israel. Second, herding the "subhumans" into Bantusans and pretending not to count them was also a favorite trick of the afrikaners and in this the zionists are no different. That is what they have to do to mask the fact that jews are only 35% of the population of palestine and 65% are christians or moslems.
Ironically enough zionism shares many of the same ideologies as the nazis and you show yourself to be a fully qualified sect member. Time to root zionism out of the world.
51 Documents:
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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Do we give handouts to the tune of $20,000 dollars for every man, woman, and child to any other apartheid country except for Israel?
Israel could be a great ally, but they need to play by the rules.
Oh yeah, and I want my money back, with interest!
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> herding the "subhumans" into Bantusans and pretending not to count them was also a favorite trick of the afrikaners and in this the zionists are no different.
If you really believe that this is the case, you'll have no troubles to NAME a couple of Israeli "Bantustans" where the Zionists herd those "subhuman christian and moslem citizens of israel" (by the way Israel is A STATE and in English its name should start with a CAPITAL letter, just like a person's name.
Well, I'm all ears, 'hyperbola'. Can you NAME a couple of these Israeli "Bantustans" where the Zionists herd those "subhuman christian and moslem citizens of israel" if you don't mind?
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Sure, the prison camp in Gaza is one of the most obvious.
GAZA REFUGEE CAMP PROFILES
The Gaza Strip is unique amongst UNRWA's five fields of operations as the majority of its population is refugees and over half of the refugees live in eight camps. Most of the people who fled to the Gaza Strip as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war were from Jaffa, towns and villages south of Jaffa, and from the Beersheva area in the Negev. In all, some 200,000 refugees came to Gaza, whose original inhabitants numbered only 80,000. Such an influx severely burdened this narrow strip of land; an area of only 360 square kilometers. Over three-quarters of the current estimated population of some 1.4 million are registered refugees; representing 22.42 per cent of all UNRWA registered Palestine refugees....
http://www.un.org/unrwa/refugees/gaza.html
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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And, of course, the terrorist war ciminal Ariel Sharon was crucial in establishing that concentration camp.
Return of the Terrorist
The Crimes of Ariel Sharon
.. Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s...
http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon.html
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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Question:
Can you NAME a couple of these Israeli "Bantustans" where the Zionists herd those "subhuman christian and moslem citizens of israel" if you don't mind?
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> Sure, the prison camp in Gaza is one of the most obvious.
Well, of course... except that Gaza is NOT IN ISRAEL, 'hyperbola', is it?
It seems that in addition to your admisssion of having no clue of WHO "Palestinians" were or WHAT was the meaning of "ethnic cleansing" you have no clue of Palestinian georgaphy.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Sorry thinker, but your zionist "weasel outs" carry no weight with the world and only serve you as excuses to placate your conscience for the criminal excesses of your sect.
The UN partition (itself a crime against humanity purchased by bribes and corruption of US latin american satrapies because Truman thought he needed zionists votes in our election of 1948) required that the christian and moslem population NOT be discriminated by the zionists. The immediate ethnic cleansing by zionists in fact invalidates the UN partition.
Time for the one million plus prisoners in Gaza created by zionist ethnic cleansing to return to their homes in Jaffa, Beersheba, the Negev, ... as guaranteed by international human rights law.
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> The UN partition... required that the christian and moslem population NOT be discriminated by the zionists.
As I've pointed out many times ALL Israeli citizens have exactly the same rights guaranteed by Israeli laws. None of them are discriminated.
> The immediate ethnic cleansing by zionists in fact invalidates the UN partition.
The US partition was AN OFFER to end the conflict by creating two states in Palestine. The Jews AGREED to the conditions of the UN offer and the Arabs REJECTED (and by doing it they've, obviously, INVALIDATED it). Further, it was the war against Israel started by the Arabs that caused mass migration of the Arab population, not some mysterious "ethnic cleansing" you're unable to define. People tend to run from battlefields, you know...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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You are simply lying again Thinker. Official israeli documents and israeli historians expose your lies.
The ethnic cleansing of Palestine
By Ilan Pappe
Univeristy of Haifa
The book shows that in 1948, the Zionist movement waged a war against the Palestinian people in order to implement its long term plans of ethnic cleansing (whereas Israeli historians, including 'new historians', claimed that the war was waged by the Arab world against the state of Israel in order to eliminate it and it resulted in expulsions of Palestinians). The Arab world tried to prevent this cleansing, but was too fragmented, self-centered and ineffective to stop the uprooting of half of Palestine's native population, the destruction of half of its villages and towns and the killing of thousands of its people.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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And since that ethnic cleansing was successfully implemented in almost 80% of Palestine without any global or regional repercussions - the ethnic cleansing policy continues ever since 1967 in the remaining 20% of the country. Creating a Jewish state in historical Palestine cleansed of Palestinians is still the ideolgoical infrastructure on which the state of Israel is based. ...
The book uses the accepted scholarly definition of Ethnic Cleansing to show its academic as well legal applicability to the case of Palestine and argues that since in the eyes of the world - including the State Department and the UN - ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, this how we should view the Israeli actions in the past and ISrael's policies in the present.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/3041
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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What is more thinker, the zionist crimes against humanity continue to this day. Indeed, the world's BIGGEST refugee problem is that caused by zionist ethnic cleansing.
Palestine 2007: Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank
... A creeping transfer in the West Bank and a measured genocidal policy in the Gaza Strip are the two strategies Israel employs today...
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/2275
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> Time for the one million plus prisoners in Gaza created by zionist ethnic cleansing to return to their homes in Jaffa, Beersheba, the Negev, ... as guaranteed by international human rights law.
People of Gaza can "return" to any place or state willing to accept them. Israel is not such place. The "international human rights law" guarantees their "right to return" to Israel no more than it guarantees the right of the grandchildren of Germans who once lived in Danzig or East Prussia to "return" to Poland and Russia, respectively.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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The world has guaranteed that right ever since partition and underscored it almost every year at the UN.
If you deny the UN resolutions are appropriate, then the very existence of the israeli state is subject to revision. Certainly its existence as a "jewish" state is unacceptable in the modern world.
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> If you deny the UN resolutions are appropriate, then the very existence of the israeli state is subject to revision. Certainly its existence as a "jewish" state is unacceptable in the modern world.
I do not deny the UN Resolutions, the Arabs do. They've rejected the UN Partition Resolution 181 calling for establishment of two states in Palestine, the UN Resolution 242 declaring that EVERY state in the region has the right to exist in safe and secured boundaries and every single UN Resolution based on that UNR242 assumption.
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Thinker221 year, 6 months ago
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> Certainly its existence as a "jewish" state is unacceptable in the modern world.
Of course... just as the existence of France as a "french" state, Germany as a "german" state, Spain as a "spanish" state, Japan as a "japanese" state, Russia as a "russian" state as well as the existence of the 21 Arab states.
If and when the "modern world" will eliminate all these and many other nation-states that are "certainly unacceptable" we'll continue.
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