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Posted By MyWayOnNow 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsReverend Jeremiah Wright has become a household name due to his association with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. However, Obama's not the only famous figure to attend Wright's church.
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getreal11 year, 7 months ago
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Huffington Post can run all the damage control it wants with CNN joining in. I saw, I heard and I was quite disappointed. You just don't play down the past or the present happenings of life so easy. There are people that do not forget. God didn't tell man how many times to turn the cheek.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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What I find hilarious about comments like this is that it's the very people who are pretending that this "controversy" has shaken their faith in humanity to the core (LOL) who are quick to tell people who were enslaved that they need to "just get over" America's more than 300 year history of racism against blacks.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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In the words of Spike Lee "move the F on!" When one of the top the candidates for POTUS is black, and went to an Ivy League school, you cannot say that our country treats blacks unfairly. Or believe that. You especially cannot believe that the goverment created aids to kill black men.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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And exactly how long has it taken to for even 1 to get there and be a viable candidate? There have been many, many, many, many, many, many qualified black men AND women who would have made great candidates, but they were denied even the possibility of running, much to this country's shame and even moreso, likely, to its detriment!
Even now, Sen. Obama is often the object of dirty tactics, smears, racial slurs, hate, scorn, ridicule...you name it! There are people who are DETERMINED that no black man (or woman) will EVER hold the highest office in the land or occupy the "white house" (equivalent in their minds to "de BIG HOUSE!"
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Who cares how long it took? The point is that it is happening NOW! You cannot cry over yesterday. It is gone. Bye bye.
If you dwell in the past there is no hope for the future.
There are also people who only vote for him or her because of their race or sex. They are equally stupid. You also have Obamas friends rediculing HIllary. You have Obama giving her the finger in public. She (and this pains me to say) gets hated on more than he does on a daily basis.
Remember, HIllary ain't never been called a N____R!
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm not the one pretending that the words from a political candidate's pastor's seven year-old sermon have shattered my world. You are. So I ask you again, are you speaking from the perspective of someone who has been oppressed in some significant way? And before you ask, not being able to get Hannah Montana tickets does not qualify as hardship, Tangy. ;-x
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someday1011 year, 7 months ago
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I can. And I am not black. Blacks forget that they are not the only one oppressed in America. They forget they were not the only ones segregated. - They are just more vocal.
Furthermore they feel they are entitled to the presidency.
And the white elitist voters think that becuase he's black he can "transcend all divides".
The youth just think he's cool becuase being black is cool right now. It's a hip hop nation. Even Madonna has gone hip hop to sell records.
I think he's another unqualified (dubya being the first) yet charasmatic politician who will jsut about say anything to get elected.
Only reason he hasn't been called on his two faced political ways is becuase if the white media does, they are deemed - get this - racists.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"I can. And I am not black."
--So then you CAN'T know precisely what it feels like to be victimized as a black person just as men can't totally understand what it feels like to be a woman and fear being raped.
"Blacks forget that they are not the only one oppressed in America. They forget they were not the only ones segregated."
--How do you know what they forget? Is this a comment that would be acceptable to make about Jews? If not, why not? Because Jews are less "vocal"?FTR, blacks were ENSLAVED by white people. They suffered a little bit more than just segration.
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someday1011 year, 7 months ago
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Being pulled over becuase you a Hispanic driving a nice car. Women clutching their purses in elevators. No I have no Idea, and know one else does because you said so.
FYI, Atecs and Mexicans were not only enslaved, but also slaughtered. Check the books.
Maybe they don't forget, but they sure seem to when they get on their soapbox and start complaining about what is due to them because of the past.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"There are also people who only vote for him or her because of their race or sex. They are equally stupid. "
--That's exactly how I feel about anyone who chose to "stay the course" and voted to re-elect Bush in Novemeber '04 when the course was clearly a one way trip down the crapper.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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First of all they are not the same. People voting for Bush did so because they thought he was the best man for the job. That does not mean they wanted to stay the course. It means they thought he was the best man for the job. Furthermore, even if they did vote for him just because they thought staying the course was a winning choice (Which seems to be the case btw) it is still not even close to being the same thing as voting for someone based on race or sex.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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The only one exploiting the racial divide is wright and anyone who thinks like him or chooses to associate with him.
How does the GOP exploit the racial divide? The last time I checked it was a dem who was getting almost all of the black vote.
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Let us not, please, rehash the Wright-Obama drama,
pro or con. Those who can "forgive" O. his desultory disconnect with W. will, those who cannot, won't.
However, I find this, form the article, telling:
"...But Winfrey also had spiritual reasons for the parting....[she] cited her fatigue with organized religion and a desire to be involved with a more inclusive ministry. In time, she found one: her own. "There is the Church of Oprah now," said her longtime friend, with a laugh. "She has her own following."
Amen.
The point being, that Winfrey and Wright share a ministry: show biz.
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djrevelky1 year, 7 months ago
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I accidentally gave you a positive.
I think the Wright-Obama thing needs to be rehashed, and rehashed, and rehashed.
Obama didn't agree with what Wright said, he has admitted that. Fair enough. But Obama also said he stayed friends with Wright for political reasons. Interesting...so this man sacrifices his morals to get ahead in politics?
HEY! He said it.
So either Obama agrees with Wright, or he sacrificed his "morals" for the political connections Wright had. We either have a crazy conspiracy theory "poor black me" racist or we have a who holds nothing sacred if he can gain some momentum.
Obama makes the Clinton's look honest.
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Jaydee401 year, 7 months ago
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Can you fnd one politician who doesn't sacrifice his morals to gain office? It's a game they all play changing loyalties to get ahead, Obama is no different that way. The reason people don't like Wrights view points is because honesty hurts.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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I never thought that Rev. Wright deserved to be demonized the way he was for stating some very painful, but truthful things! Nevertheless, I don't fault Barack Obama for distancing himself eventually, because I do believe that Rev. Wright intentionally re-surfaced right before the PA primary, in part, to retaliate against Obama for criticizing his remarks. One thing I have observed about Sen. Obama, is that he is not afraid to take an unpopular, even while running for office, so I do not feel that he distanced himself from Wright on the basis of that. There is a fundamental disconnect between what he believes and what Rev. Wright espouses, and the fact that Wright's timing suggests an attempt to be vengeful is what pushed the Senator to make the final break.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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He is demonized not for his truth, but for his arrogant and unChristian manner, and for his unChristlike cursing of our nation.He has the right to say exactly what he pleases of course, just like anyone else, but if you present yourself to me as a Christian, certain standards of behavior obtain. Nobody ever lives up to all of those standards all the time, but that is the goal, and failure merits apology and amends, not national speaking engagements. And spectacular failure should merit spectacular amends. He deserves no hearing from any Christian, in my opinion, until he does so.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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That is a matter of opinion,and not everyone feels that way, I don't, and I am not alone in my view.
It was extremely unjust to pull those 30 second sound bites out and portray the whole of Rev. Wright as an angry, racist, hateful, unpatriotic American when nothing could be further from the truth.
There is definitely a double standard being applied to him as opposed to other ministers who have said things equally outrageous or even moreso.
I don't have a problem with him speaking out in his own defense, either, but I do question the timing of his most recent remarks because I do believe it was purposed to do damage to Obama's campaign by playing to the fearful overreactions of a percentage of the public who have responded in typical, knee jerk fashion.
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cloud151 year, 7 months ago
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Cushi, it was well within his rights to damn this country. If he wants to go to the top of a mountain and take a megaphone and just yell God Damn America, then let him do it. But when he starts going around telling people that the government created AIDs with the intention of genocide against colored people, and other clear racist remarks, then there is a problem.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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My comment is clearly identified as opinion. It is NOT unfair to single out the offensive parts of someone's behavior, which is all I have done. I have in 50 yrs of active religious exploration and study known quite a few Christian ministers of at least four races and several ethnicities and have never heard one of them say "God damn" ANYTHING. It flies directly in the face of Christ's own words that we should love one another and BLESS our enemies, even if you view the nation you THRIVE in (as Wright clearly does) as an enemy. You can lend credence to a Christian argument by your correct behavior, or completely obscure your message by bad behavior and the latter is what Wright has done, not just for me, but for many others who contribute here, some of whom have completely opposite politics from mine.
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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djrev, Should the effects of segregation be rehashed, rehashed and then rehashed? This is what you get each time each time digging in the wound. Some stuff happened. What's in it after the third retelling of Rev Wright? I hope you took time to hear the whole thing for yourself rather than wanting to hear the distorted version over and over. If you hear the Rev Wright crap, then look at the dollar and our condition where it is possible to lose global economic positioning, you will not want America to be Dammed, as in economic collapse. Reverend Wright will not be in policy making or negotiations. Please talk about whether any of these candidates can step up to the plate for the Dollar, local economies that are cutting back, the War, our competition for Oil, and those things that will help us survive. Tell me over and over how jobs are coming back to America. I was taught to overlook foolishness, not dig in it.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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He said nothing of the kind! Where on earth did you get that from? He said the man was like an Uncle to him, like family in other words. It is very, very difficult, under any circumstances, to distance someone like that from your life, whether there are fundamental differences or not. It was a very difficult decision for Obama to make and one that I am sure did not bring him any happiness whatsoever. It was done out of necessity because Wright's comments were blown up to the point that he was not being allowed to confront far more critical issues than who the pastor of his church was.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"I think the Wright-Obama thing needs to be rehashed, and rehashed, and rehashed."
--I agree 100%. After all, what better way for those on the right to "just get over" what white people did to Iraqi prisoners a few years ago (yes, in the 21st Century) and gloss over the fact that John McCain thinks women don't deserve to be paid as much as men? Playing the victim. Classic.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Some people can stirred into braying wolf packs with nothing but phony slogans, as Hitler first demonstrated on a massive scale. You seem to fit right in.
Wright And Ridiculous
Of all the strange features of this presidential race, the tarnishing of Barack Obama has got to be the most ridiculous. First Obama was accused of anti-religious elitism. Then he was accused of identifying with the underclass anger of his spiritual mentor. Excuse me, but which is it? Am I supposed to believe that Obama is a supercilious elitist or a menacing ghetto radical? Is he contemptuous of religion or too close to a religious leader? Obama's critics don't bother to say. Meanwhile, real issues go relatively unheeded.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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... Which brings us to that other attack on Obama: that his comment about blue-collar voters "clinging" to guns and religion makes him an elitist. The remark may have been untactful, as Obama himself said. But what did it tell us about Obama's fitness to be president? Would he use his power to discriminate against churchgoers? His own churchgoing suggests not. Would he control guns? One hopes so. And is he really an elitist snob? After Harvard Law School, Obama could have pursued a career that involved contact only with hypereducated brainiacs like him. But by working as a community organizer and in state politics, he chose a life that put him among ordinary folk. The elitist label is ridiculous.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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The Obama-Wright "revelations" are really a revelation about our political culture: About its failure to distinguish the important from the trivial and about the inevitability that the race card will eventually be played against a black candidate. If the once formidable Obama campaign is knocked off course by these "revelations" in tomorrow's primaries, it will be a travesty.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Well, dj, you can, I suppose keep the spectre of racial divide alive and well, if you choose. God knows, Wright had a whack at it.
I would say that O. may be guilty of naivete or sloppiness or a certain reticence to distance himself from a community of which he's a part, but dishonesty or political expediency, as you suggest?
Practically speaking, for a man running for president, and therefore requiring endorsement from a mass of Americans, there are no "political reasons" sufficient to justify remaining connected to Wright. You don't have to be a political consultant to see that....
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djrevelky1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm keeping racial divide alive by using someone's own words? I think not.
I thought I was pretty fair...either Obama agrees with Wright and is a racist himself or he doesn't and just stuck with Wright strictly for political gain.
And there were political reasons to stay connected to Wright. He was a very powerful man in Chicago, especially to black voters...in a black precinct. I don't think it takes a genius to see that Wright connections got Obama elected to local and state positions.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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--According to two sources, Winfrey was never comfortable with the tone of Wright's more incendiary sermons, which she knew had the power to damage her standing as America's favorite daytime talk-show host. "Oprah is a businesswoman, first and foremost," said one longtime friend, who requested anonymity when discussing Winfrey's personal sentiments. "She's always been aware that her audience is very mainstream, and doing anything to offend them just wouldn't be smart."--
Because money was involved, Oprah could plainly see the problems with being associated with Wright had. Obama, like most politicians, got too entangled with ideology to see them, though.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Ah my, the racist gang rape squad again!
The all-white elephant in the room
Bored by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is "the Great ******," Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking "the blood of the Jewish people." That's because the Great ****** represents "the Roman Church," which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious conservatives' favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video â;; far from the only one â;; was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it's true, did not blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a scheduled "homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came."
... I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full "Great ******" glory. But Mr. McCain didn't have to fear so rude a transgression. Mr. Hagee's videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright's. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just doesn't have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/opinion/04ric...
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
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Mutainia: "Hagee endorces McCain, who doesn't seem to accept the endorcement."
He doesn't? It sure seemed to me that he accepted it. Take a look at it for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGl44APr8KQ
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someday1011 year, 7 months ago
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McCain was not a Member of Cornerstone Church, let alone for 20 Years.
Hagee did not inspire a book title, campaign theme, marry him and cindy, baptize his children, bless his house, guide his local political activism pray at his presidential run speech.
he sought his endorsement to get the evangil vote as Obama did by appearing on the Logo Debate and in the advocate. He wants the gay vote despite being surrounded by annti gay black preachers.
what politicians will do to get votes.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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Q: What does any of your spam have to do with the reason why Oprah left Wright's church?
A: Absolutely nothing.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/05/04/...
Is this an echo chamber?
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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Why would anybody stick with a controversial figure for political gain?? That in and of itself makes absolutely NO sense!
If you would turn your back on someone who has played an important role in your life based on a few controversial rantings over a 30 yr career, then you are not a very loyal friend, much less a forgiving one, AND you can be classified as someone who cuts and runs at the first sign of trouble! Most people, I dare say, would give the person the benefit of the doubt and wait, as Obama did, for further confirmation before deciding to cut the person loose entirely.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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"Why would anybody stick with a controversial figure for political gain?"
Wright wasn't controversial in the Illinois State Senate district that Obama first ran in. In fact, he gave legitimacy and connections to Obama the outsider.
It's when Obama tried to reach a broader audience that Wright became controversial.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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"Which begs the question, then, how is he now being characterized as a preacher of "hate" for 30 yrs??"
Because the dirty linen in Wright's church is only now being aired in public. Before Obama ran for the presidency, the larger society neither knew or cared about Wright.
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
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djrevelky: "either Obama agrees with Wright and is a racist himself or he doesn't and just stuck with Wright strictly for political gain."
Are those the only two alternatives?
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"I don't think it takes a genius to see that Wright connections got Obama elected to local and state positions."
How about the presidential primaries? Was it Wright who raised all the funds and who made people across the country vote for him?
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cleare1 year, 7 months ago
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well Obama and Winfrey may have quit, but i'm ready to join. i saw rev. Wright on Bill Moyers last week and was very impressed.
for those of you who can't hear past the God XXXX America statement, i think you should be wary of how sound bites can be manipulated by taking them out of context. frankly i too, XXXX the past administrations of my country for it's lousy policies towards people, for it's corruption and for it's pretentions to imperialism.
Wright's ministry seems to me to be "walking the walk" of Christ...tending the poor, sick, and elderly. unfortunately, I can't say the same about my own country.
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cloud151 year, 7 months ago
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Cleare, most people can easily get past God Damn America, because people are saying that more and more each day. Thats his opinion, and he is well within his rights to say it. The problem comes when he starts spreading lies such as AIDs being used to perform a genocide on people of color. The man who preaches against the racism of the man, is himself a racist against white people. Go figure...
(this is a lot further down than where I posted so be aware)
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Of course that is not what he said. What he actually said is that there is a long history of blacks in America being used in medical experimentation without their knowledge, even by the national government. And, that anything the government did would not surprise him.
You sound like one of those who is easily led around by the nose with slogans.
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
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cleare: "well Obama and Winfrey may have quit, but i'm ready to join"
I see you haven't traded any IQ points for looks. I too am impressed with Reverend Wright's two speeches I've heard, and if I ever wanted to join any church, I would consider his.
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Leemck021 year, 7 months ago
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Why are we so stuck on the Wright comments, they won't do any good to solve the economic problems and war issues that are more to what a President is going to wrestle with. The Post-American World, by Fareed Zakaria does a good job with how America is losing its grip as a world leader. Does McCain's party stand for change, seeing it was the reason for the crisis we face now; the no-tax and spend. Hillary, I am sorry, but can she overcome thousands of years of tradition in Asia and the Middle East? Worrying if someone remembers the poor record of Civil Rights in America, which is real, is valid to a point but the nation nearing collapse is far more important. Are you going to exclude Obama as a potential leader who stands the best chance to recover or will we go on about what we know to be true, racism is real. If you can't get pass race and gender, think about having a future we can believe in. W did do it, as we see the Dollar is on the ropes. Get smart.
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes, Hyp, above, it IS truly a can't-win-for-losing snare that's been set by O.'s foes: damned for being elitist AND for a "too radical" identification with America's underclass, black division.
The cries of elitism are, to my mind, too transparently about bigoted resentment, as in, how dare that uppity n*****r act, think, and--worst of all--do better than me?
Let us not forget that O.'s mom was on food stamps, not exactly the case with Bush's progenitors, or those of HC, either.
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Newb, what, pray tell, is your definition of "elitist?"
The one you give sounds like you're confusing that word, which means someone who, according to my Webster's, "favors rule or belief in an elite" with a (possible) designation of a group whose income, education, tastes, connections, etc., places them among the "highest" or "upper" members of a group.
The former definition implies judgement. The latter does not--unless you choose to impute same.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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I didn't have much of a problem with some of the statements that the Reverend made originally. I do have a problem with some of his more recent statements, one of which his source material even contradicted him on on CNN I believe (this one, to my knowledge, isn't being played in endless loops). I'm rather glad that the Senator denounced him for the more recent statements, I think the Reverend was unconsciously sabotaging the efforts of Obama. Or perhaps consciously, I'm not sure. Either way his statements mattered little to me from the beginning.
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unome21 year, 7 months ago
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The problem Reverend Wright is having in America is that he speaks the truth. America has a long history of not acknowledgeing its own faults and often self-centered interactions in the world. Wheather its being honest about our genocide of the native Americans or the great wealth we created through the enslavement of Black Americans or the countless foreign governments we have overthrown, we are not without sin. Unfortunately we have been easily misled by our corporate mainstream media and only now are we coming to terms with the fact tht we were lied into war.
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OldHickory1 year, 7 months ago
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How about his association with Bill Ayers? What doesn't make much sense is how a supposedly intelligent man such as BO might not see how a relationship with Bill Ayers, a member of the radical Weather Underground, does in fact reflect on him and his values. Especially when Ayers response to his detestable acts is simply, "I feel we didn't do enough" or "I don't regret setting bombs". I wonder what OW has to say about this? She should stick to her book club or, better yet, just go away.
BO is a chameleon. He continues to change his tune based upon expediency. How many other anti-American relationships are in his closet?
Semper fi.
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