The Left Starts to Rethink Reagan »
Posted By stephen-johnson 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsIt's no secret that intellectuals, generally being liberals, didn't think much of Ronald Reagan at the time..But I think that now they can no longer ignore him. His impact on the world and country, whether you like it or not, was so important that to ignore him is to ignore an entirety of American politics.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 6 months ago
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FTA:
What Reagan did was something differentâ;;it was to lead with the same spirit and optimism and forward-looking hope that liberals had projected, but in the name of policies that were frankly conservative. And he managed to do that in a way that no previous president, and certainly no conservative president, had managed to do before.
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Wolfie20071 year, 6 months ago
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Wolfie, short of the Soviet collapse, which is a great accomplishment, what else? Handling WWII is rather significant or bringing the nation back from the Great Depression. Greatest in the 20th century is laying it on a bit thick. Whatever you desire to remember him for if fine, but do not carry his policy forward another day. He is known for needing a national bailout to keep America from also collapsing as did the Soviets. You keep him as a hero, I'll remember him as an actor that played a good part.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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The absolute best president of the 20th century.>>>>
Well, if you're into throwing vulnerable people into the streets to be homeless, watching people die of a horrible cluster of diseases and not giving a damn, Ignoring all expert opinion and squandering billions on a failed star wars system, raising taxes numerous times cause the squandered billions ate up the treasury....then yeah. Reagan would probably fit the bill for 'greatest president.'
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NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
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the more I think about reagan, the worse his legacy becomes.
he's the guy who started this GOP cycle of massive spending and massive deficits, turned his back on people with AIDS, paid off iran to hold the hostages a little while longer, caused hundreds of thousands of deaths in central america, made decisons by using an astrologer, advanced the cause of the military industrial complex, allowed crack to top it off, he took the solar panels off the white house cause he thought solar power was stupid.
his success is mostly due to a massive marketing campaign that continues to this day.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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NoWay, this is more of what I remember. Ray-gun, was masterful at dodging the bullet, as in teflon, but these are some of the less wonderful things he done. Before America loses it's competitive position by people that are longing for a glory day that didn't exist, please accept Reagan as a Executive that some things good and some screwed, like Drugs for Guns (Olie and Contra), as well as his Just say no to Drugs. Don't try to make the greatest drug lord more than a human.
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jimdoze1 year, 6 months ago
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"Were Iran to attain a nuclear capacity, it would complicate the geopolitics of the Middle East. But none of the problems we face compare with the dangers posed by a rising Germany in the first half of the 20th century or an expansionist Soviet Union in the second half."
WRONG!
Iran is equally dangerous and, in the context of the world economy, probably far more dangerous than Germany was in the 20th century. The rise of the world economy, made up of many surging national economies rests on carbon based energy, specifically oil. As such, the strategic importance of Middle Eastern oil supplies is far higher than Belgium, France and Italy were to the world economy in the early and mid-twentieth century. Furthermore, the fuse to ignite potential world economic disaster, inevitably to be followed by major war, is far shorter than it was back then.
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ADAGUY1 year, 6 months ago
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I keep seeing the phrase "what Reagan did", and I keep asking, tell me, just what did he do?! Fact is Reagan has shown to be the downfall of the true conservative, and what I consider the start of the hijacking of the GOP!
Stop and think about it. When he left office, the debt was around 5.5 trillion, and "FREE TRADE" had been born.
We are still paying for these ideals, and will continue to pay for them until the politicians start working for the citizens rather than the major players.
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ADAGUY1 year, 6 months ago
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Ask yourself, were we better off when supply side economics were not around? Bush sr. had it rightwhen he labeled it Voo Doo economics!
Sorry, but I admired Reagan when he first ran for pres in 1976. I really wanted him to win. But when he aligned himself with former Nixon chronies and ran again in 80, I saw through him.
Let's see, wasn't he the one who wanted smaller government?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 6 months ago
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Ronald Reagan:
A staunch supporter of family values, he was the divorced dad of a hilariously disfunctional family.
Holding a bible up to America and saying, 'this is what you need', he was a California pagan who brought an astrologer into the white house to make national security decisions.
A man who looked you in the eye and told you straight; he looked America in the eye and said he would increase defense spending, protect social security, cut taxes and balance the budget.
Easy to assume he was just a B movie actor doing the greatest role of his life...
And yet; there was more to him. When he was shot, he joked while others panicked. He could deliver lines like William Jennings Bryan. Even his enemies were fond of him.
I agree; as a leftist, he is looking better to me over time.
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dwemm1 year, 6 months ago
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Can we bring up the Laffer curve again? This first surfaced as the excuse for "trickle down" economics in the first Reagan campaign, something King George I called "voodoo economics."
The idea was that if we stoked the rich with enough tax breaks that they would invest and pay for the jobs that would bring social equality through the hard working "little people" who would be so grateful they would never ever think about welfare again.
The decade ended in a recession that wrecked the economy. And record deficits that were never paid.
Later George II adopted "trickle down" and tax breaks for the wealthy to fuel employment and the economy based on the Laffer curve.
Did somebody mention the "definition of insanity?"
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silvera1 year, 6 months ago
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So we have a couple of talking head pundits throwing out inane revisionist drivel and all of a sudden "liberals are rethinking Reagan". Give me a break! Reagan didn't have an original thought in his head and other than "looking good" and being able to read a teleprompter well, he was a worthless old buffoon parroting whatever his handlers told him to say. His administration's regressive policies laid the foundation of a twisted conservative movement culminating in the election of the worst, most destructive president in history, G.W.Bush. How's that for a legacy?
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PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
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>>and all of a sudden "liberals are rethinking Reagan"
I'm actually rethinking Reagan, in light of W. I USED to think he was just about the worst president in US history. Now I'm sure that W is the worst & Reagan, at most, is the 2nd worst.
I guess that's a step up. I can see some of the more hard-cores here using this to prove that us "Liberals" are starting to improve our outlook on Reagan's presidency.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Reagan did some good but be screwed up a bit also. Whatever, his time has passed, and the Reagan legacy belongs in the history books only. Reaganism in policy is nothing short of a formula for disaster. His Voodoo Economics specifically, followed closely by labor practices. His views on civil society, or what I think is meant by conservatism, are long term poor at best (See W's ratings). If you look at the loss of the middle class, the loss of the dollar's value and image that bought us the need for W, I am confident an argument for giving him credit for a Cold War Strategy, that took work done by others to a favorable conclusion is all he deserves. Follow the stars.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL
They are using that Star Wars technology these days. Remember a little while back they shot the fuel tank of a satellite that is coming down so the caustic fuel will not hit the atmosphere all at once. Star wars. And you thought is was something else?
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PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
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Can you point out where one "Lib" stated who the greatest president was? The only ones I saw were saying it was Reagan.
If you're going to buy more ammunition for your weapon because the "Libs" like Wolfie are saying Reagan was the best in the 20th century, I guess that's your prerogative.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
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It would've ended in a lot of people going to prison for it, except Daddy Bush pardoned everyone before the investigation could run its course.
It always amuses me that the party that's supposedly "tough on crime" is the same one who pardons felons (Ollie North), preemptively pardons criminals (Iran/Contra) & commutes sentences (Scooter Libby).
I guess it's more like "Angered" than "Amused" tho.
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cleare1 year, 6 months ago
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i admit, that even i, who whole heartedly hated Reagan have begun to feel a bit...well, nostalgic for the Reagan days. but, only in comparison to the exceptionally horrid administration we have now. next to george, ronnie looks like santa.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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The following is from Dinesh D'Souza. Unfortunately it is what is perceived by too many people. The issues are those that liberals push to the detriment of family values.
The problem for most Muslims is Western liberalism. But here we must distinguish between two kinds of liberalism. There is the classical liberalism of the American founding. Call this Liberalism 1. This liberalism is reflected in such principles as the right to vote, to assemble freely, to debate issues, to trade with others, to practice one's religion, political and religious toleration, and so on.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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Then there is the modern liberalism of the 1960s. Call this Liberalism 2. This liberalism is defined by such tenets as the right to blaspheme, the complete exclusion of religious symbols from the public square, the right of teenage boys and girls to receive sex education and contraceptives, the right to abortion, prostitution as a worker's right, pornography as a protected form of expression, gay rights and gay marriage, and so on. It is this second type of liberalism that seems to drive the social agenda of today's Democratic Party. For example, Hillary Clinton chaired a presidential task force during the 1990s that promoted prostitution as an international right for workers.
In Oregon right now there is a court fight going on. They passed a law prohibiting selling pornography to minors. The ACLU and the book sellers are trying to make it so 13 year olds are able to buy this garbage.
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Will13131 year, 6 months ago
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The result is now we have to actively protect our children on line and at book stores rather then society protecting them.
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why should society protect your children are you saying it takes a village...
if you don't want to raise them .. keep it in your pants..
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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There is a difference from when I was in school and now. Perversion is a way of life shown on TV, in movies, in magazines, on the internet. Morals are out the window and ridiculed. That is a constant in the US at the moment. Show me where I am wrong. When I was in high school in the early 60's none of that was happening. Am I supposed to take my kids places and put blindfolds on them. Am I supposed to keep the TV turned off. Do I have to hold both of their hands when I take them to a book store. My parents didn't have to worry about those things. Why should I? That is the problem. The internet is even worse.
Look at the post below and think.
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