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Posted By Aidenag 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsBarack Obama has won the North Carolina presidential primary, but he trails Hillary Rodham Clinton in Indiana. The two states are the last big-delegate prizes left in the long race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
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Aidenag1 year, 7 months ago
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Race is getting closer, though still heavily favoring Obama. CNN now reporting him with a 16% lead in NC with 45% of vote counted, meanwhile Hillary has lost almost all of her lead in Indiana, and with 72% of the vote counted, she is up only 4%.
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MilesAway1 year, 7 months ago
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Obama lost Indiana by only a handful of votes.
Once again, Clinton's words to Petraeus could be read as advice to her after Tuesday's primaries: "I give you tremendous credit for presenting as positive a view of a rather grim reality. I believe that you â;¦ were dealt a very hard hand. And it's a hand that is unlikely to improve, in my view."
From China to Obama - GOOOOO OOOBBBAAAMMMAAA!!!
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MilesAway1 year, 7 months ago
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Also twenty yars ago, I predicted that a Afro-American will be our next president by creating 12 pictures (symbolizing TIME - 12 digit on the hand-watch) and have them exhibited 2007 in China, not once, but twice, by popular demand.
I will be back home before NOVEMBER 2008 to make CHANGES.
P.S. My profile is opeen and free to access.
From CHINA - GOOOOO OOOBBBAAAMMMAAA!!!
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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He has won Indi too, they are doing what they did in PA, say she won by 10 points and then a day and a half later they announced that it was 9.3 points. Now we have a county that is said to be for Obams that has refused to send in any of their votes until all the votes are count. The guys on CNN are starting to worry that the fix is in!
Is it just me or are stories about the election being buried on here?
Indi Obama 49% clinton 51% go bama
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earthlingerer1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm all for Obama, he really is a better choice as president, considering Clinton and McCain.
But it seems that the democrats have truly hamstrung themselves, yet again. Sure, Obama was clearly going to win in NC, simple demographics will show you that. Are voters going to vote for either a black candidate or a woman candidate?
Blacks make up about 13% of the US, and 40% of dem whites voted for Obama in NC. These aren't really good numbers when you consider the possibility of Obama becoming president.
I'll say I like Obama's words to "look beyond 'electability'" in your andidate, and vote for who you like, unfortunately, this kind of objectivity, perhaps idealism, doesn't translate well into reality.
It would be hard enough getting Clinton into the White House, although women are a near 50% in the US. It will be near impossible to get Obama in office.
With Obama as candidate, McCain will only need a black, woman, or simply charismatic running mate to sew up the race.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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Obams took 40% of the whites in NC and 33% in Indi, that's up from 26 in PA. and as much as the talking heads want you to think that whites are not voting for Obama, that is just not true...there is no way this guy could win 31 states without the votes of whites.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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There are plenty of people who would vote for my dog over McCain, and he's black too and not even human. I think the choice of running mate is pretty much insignificant to the majority of voters, and only serves to pull in a small number of voters to any ticket. The vp is a pretty powerless office in itself, unless the office holder is empowered by the president. Originally our vp's were the runners-up in the presidential elections, and considering the one we have now we could go back to that system and be just fine.
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vidman041 year, 7 months ago
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I'm from North Carolina and it doesn't surprise me that he got 90% of the black vote. Most of them are uneducated and living on welfare in the area I'm from, so electing him assures them more government handouts....most wouldn't know anything about any issue, they just want a black man elected...
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vidman041 year, 7 months ago
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Oh, so you do read what you post....and so when you agree with what Rev. Wright says is true, that's OK and not racism, but when I state the truth about the blacks IN MY AREA that I see everyday, then I'm racist..riiiiight....whatever floats your boat....
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GWHayduke1 year, 7 months ago
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Vidboy,
You're not necessarily a racist....but your post has NO credible basis in fact or logic.
Claiming that Obama's support is from uneducated blacks on welfare smacks of stupidity and refutes demographic fact.
Sounds like your opinion comes from an uneducated crank who just wants anyone BUT a black man elected...
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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This is so true, even among women. I am floored by the number of black women I have heard in person and on the tube say they are in a quandary to decide if they are women first or black first, and in the end they vote for the man. If the races of the candidates (or genders) were reversed, there would be no decision to make. Who would govern the nation best doesn't even seem to enter the equation.
I wonder why I have not heard even one white man (we are in exactly the same position as black women) say they had to decide if they were men first or white first?
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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Did you even READ my post??? I have heard black women SAY that they must decide if they're women first or black first!!!
My response to that is "You have some very fundamental thinking to do. Why don't you just give up voting until you can figure out why you are even doing it?"
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nonparted1 year, 7 months ago
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obie
"I'm voting for the best candidate, and I'm hoping that's what others are doing."
how can u or any US citizen know who is the best candidate. almost every candidate past/present will say what people want to hear. then when elected they dont make good on there promises they make excuses as to why not. (im talking career politicans.)
if u really want Washington to change vote outside the 2 party lines.
these parties dont have our best interest i.e. housing industry, oil pricing, manufacturing outsourcing etc. if they had our interests @ all their aides & themselves should of seen the possibily of this happening before it actually did.
btw i know its just the primary at this time but i believe it still holds.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 7 months ago
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Vidman04 said:
"Most of them are uneducated and living on welfare in the area I'm from".
Sure, you aren't a racist for saying that.
Just show us your data.
What percentage of the population in your area are black? What percent are uneducated?
What percent are on welfare?
I am sure you are using real facts, and not just racist sterotyping.
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Sandokan1 year, 7 months ago
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Isn't it hilarious how Obama said in Mississippi that the voters were not voting because of color ...then on CNN when a black woman was asked why she voted for Obama & she said, " Oh because he BE BLACK!!!"
My point is because Obama is riding on his color. While his white constituents are voting for him like the 60's hippy days to show "brotherhood" ...then go home and hope that their kids won't make them say "Whose coming to dinner?"
Even the slogan of bringing about "real change"!!!!! Real change, put a woman in the White House instead of another MAN ...just with more melanin in his skin then the other 43 Presidents!
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Spadecaller1 year, 7 months ago
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The headless chicken is still running.
Would somone please put that poor creature out of its misery!
I understand that Hillary will be a guest on the Rush Limbaugh show tomorrow. That should be interesting. Ha!
BTW vidman, your ignorant remark about Obama smarts of racism and is quite inacurrate. The average educational level of those supporting Obama is much higher than those voting for Clinton.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Quite true, the educational level is higher, but the message from Obama is quite clear. Black, white, brown, rich, poor, red state, blue state, old, young came together and voted for America. Change doesn't come from the top. This election isn't about Clinton, Obama, or McCain it's about us, the American People. We want to have our dream of what America is, returned to us. We don't want Wall street or some neocon ideologues telling us what America is. We want a to give our children and our grandchildren a chance.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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"Change doesn't come from the top. "
True. So why would we be voting for someone who's been sitting at the top in Washington? Like Obama. As much as I love his dreamy speeches and vision for this country (which certainly has been lacking across the political spectrum for many years), this ploy of his being an outsider wears thin. Plus it'd be nice if there were some concrete plans to go along with his fluffy speeches.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Change comes from the voice of the people. The people should have a say. Not the Supreme court, or the media, or Diebold. You know what Dionys, when Obama made his speech, I didn't see him looking at a pre-written speech. He spoke from his heart. Let's see what Clinton's speech looks like and if she has the humility to stop this bloodbath within our party. That type of honesty and conviction is missing from the seasoned candidates I've seen. I'll take honesty and conviction over written speeches and broken promises any day.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree with Dionys
Running simply on "Change" isn't enough
Obama has been woefully short on specifics
Have you read his book - "The Audacity of Hope"?
His lack of specifics has become his strategy in this campaign
He wrote in the prologue:
"I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views."
He continues by stating "my treatment of the issues is often partial and incomplete."
This allows you to projct your own hopes and views on him, and you see him as fulfilling what YOU want
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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That's your opinion and I have mine. In the job as President of the United States there will always be those who for whatever reason disagree. We have accepted for over 7 years a President that had no plan no well thought out tactic for handling the problems of this country. One man can't run this country single-handedly. No candidate holds those credentials. In order to effectively run this country we need a CHANGE! Someone that can bring fresh ideas and tactics to the Whitehouse along with the voice of the people of this country. Conservatives have said about this current President that we shouldn't have a say in what our President's policies are. He should be like a king, that gives us the policies and we just blindly follow. Time for that needs to be over. We want our country back. from the Janitor in the hallway to the Delicatessen owner to the highest reaches of this government, LET THE PEOPLE BE HEARD!
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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"In order to effectively run this country we need a CHANGE!"
And that is precisely the problem with Obama
What changes???
What is his plan for energy independence?? He certainly wasn't able or willing to articulate his policy on Meet the Press
What is his plan for the economy? How is he going to attract businesses to create jobs??
What are his "fresh ideas" and how will he accomplish them?
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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That's correct - I won't vote for any of the current candidates
I haven't voted for a Democrat or Republican presidential candidate in years. I vote third party. Neither of the 2 major parties actually represent anything but special interests. Neither really care about the public. They say what they have too to get elected
Try writing down what the candidates say they will do then when one is elected check off anything on the list that they actually push to have done. I think you will find that the list largely remains just unfulfilled promises
I'm probably closer to a Libertarian than anything else
I'd vote for Ron Paul or a Blue Dog Democrat if one were in the race
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Then don't vote for him. Don't be a hater, because someone is celebrating the victory of their candidate. What's your problem? Jealous, because any candidate you would vote for is unelectable? That certainly isn't my problem. It's yours. So don't go away mad, just go away.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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LOL Jovial
A little touchy aren't you?
If you are such a believer in Obama you should be willing to try and convince others to vote for him. BUT that is very difficult to do when all you can come up with is "change"
You don't even have a clue about his policy positions
Of course he doesn't either as was very evident in the last debate and on Meet the Press
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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*SIGH*
On Energy and the Environment:
At a Glance
* Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050
* Invest in a Clean Energy Future
* Support Next Generation Biofuels
* Set America on Path to Oil Independence
* Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030
* Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
On the Economy:
At a Glance
* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
* Trade
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
* Labor
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
* Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
* Reform Bankruptcy Laws
* Work/Family Balance
It's all on his web site. There's much more detail in regards to specifics. I suggest doing some homework.
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Sandokan1 year, 7 months ago
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You are one of the truly "enlightened" voters. Nostalgia, as you've aptly pointed out, Obama is short on specifics AND ...is a master of making the obvious look as if it was his discovery .... Like saying how the "others" voted to go Iraq, while he was always against it. When did 911 occur and when was Obama elected to the Senate? .... Exactly.
Coming out about how the NAFTA was such a mistake, which is not true ...the Republicans gave tax exemptions to companies that were moving their operations over the border, but were allowed to enjoy the same benefits afforded "American" companies who actually manufacture in the United States - because the major stockholders & corporate heads were Americans & American citizens!
IMHO ...Take jobs out of the country ...your products are produced by foreigners...your company just became a "foreign entity"... no tax breaks ...end of story.
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aceofspades11 year, 7 months ago
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The headless chicken is still running.
Would somone please put that poor creature out of its misery!
I understand that Hillary will be a guest on the Rush Limbaugh show tomorrow. That should be interesting. Ha!
sound familiar Spade/ you have this post on another thread
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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Vidman is simply pointing out the reality in NC
"The average educational level of those supporting Obama is much higher than those voting for Clinton."
You are mixing identity groups - the majority of the "educated" are white
Look at the demographics in NC and the poverty rates by race
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Sandokan1 year, 7 months ago
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Duhhh ... Racism exists in this country ... as evidenced by Rev. Wright ...and whom (Obama)...you can bet your Spadecalling butt ...knew exactly what that baptist "born again" Christian Preacher ...was saying, all those years!!!
The good Wright didn't just starting preaching with those words this year. He's been saying it and meaning it all those years. Obama went there and chose that church & preacher!!!
He is a hypocrite and all those voting for him, can be catagorized with those that chose Bush over Kerry.
Time has shown what a stupid and iresponsible act that turned out to be for over 4000 soldiers & their families.
Obama - the junior senator can come out with all his hindsight and impress those who wasted their parents money becoming educated - knew a lot of those going to college back then .... but hindsight is just that. It doesn't take a genius to know that the cows have run out of the barn and point it out.
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automan9091 year, 7 months ago
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The real fact is that the voters in Florida and Michigan got screwed and their votes do not count as of now. Those people have a right to be heard and to have their votes count. If they counted those votes Hillary would be winning right now. Don't be surprised if that issue goes to the Supreme Court to give justice to the folks in Michigan and Florida.
Obama and his supporters are not interested in justice though.
Don't get all excited yet. The Supreme Court decides what is legal and it is legal to count all American votes.
By the way. I back vidman by saying that Obama and his followers are the racists by voting for him just because he is black.
Obama is truely the devil himself.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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She agreed that if the primaries went ahead as planned then the delegates from those states would not be seated. Are you saying that you want a person whose word isn't good to be President?
I am not Black and I have two college degrees. I fully support the next President of the United States of America: Barack Obama.
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aceofspades11 year, 7 months ago
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Bkumm -
I am not Black and I have two college degrees. I fully support the next President of the United States of America: Barack Obama.
the mere fact that you found it necessary to state that, is the reason that I feel Barack will lead the a division in America of huge proportions
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doppich1 year, 7 months ago
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In a few years, if Obama is elected, the Obama Fan Base will be sounding just like Bush's unrepentant 29 percenters - in denial of his failures. Already, all of his screw-ups (and his likely GE loss) are being attributed to Hillary. The Precious can do no wrong.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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doppich - You sound just like the President Clinton detractors. Obama will do well. His biggest move if elected is who he puts in what place. If I was advising him I would urge him to get the best of both parties and make a government from there! Obama will only fail if we give him a GOP congress. If the DEMs stay focus like they did last November and give him a congress to work with he will do fine. I can see the bitternessin in you guys but you must remember he didn't get here with out the will of the people, and regardless of what you do the peoples will always has the final say!
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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Well, I am old and white and Southern and have two graduate degrees, and I am a Democrat. All this to me is my party's business, and though I have favored Hill from the beginning when both fields were much bigger, I will proudly support and vote for my party's nominee for president. And unlike the enshrined Republican, we will not have a party candidate until the convention. I wouldn't have it any other way. Two weeks of hoopla over the election of the president would be a great sufficiency. Why it has to be two years is beyond me.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 7 months ago
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automan909:
I doubting you care about the rights of Democrats voting in Florida and Michigan.
I think you are pushing for Hillary to continue fighting for the nomination, just to cause chaos for the Democrats.
And vidman was careful to say what he meant; that the black people of his neighborhood were ignorant racists on welfare.
It gave us a clearer picture of vidman and you, than of his neighbors.
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NoWayMan1 year, 7 months ago
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you sound so scared of obama.
Michigan and Florida broke party rules. they knew that going in but they went ahead anyway. Before the primaries started everyone agreed as to how it would play out, including hillary and obama.
you're simply trying to change the rules in the fourth quarter cause you're losing.
and the supreme court won't decide how the dem party susses this out. the dem party will.
you say obama and his backers are racist then trun around and say Obama is truly the devil himself? oooookaaaaaaay freekshow.
we're moving forward, with of without you.
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nikkibabe1 year, 7 months ago
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A win is a win. Whether blacks or whites or browns voted for him. After all, in USA everything is judged and decided by a person's skin color.
They are not called Americans. They are called whites, blacks, hispanic whites, hispanic blacks, Asian browns.
Even in India, a much bigger and true democracy, the media reports "HOW" many people voted for a candidate. A lesson USA has a long way to go to LEARN.
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getreal11 year, 7 months ago
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They are called that because that is the way they want it. Just like Obama phrased it on CNN A Slave State. I thought he of all people would refrain from using the word slave after all, they have been without chains for a long time. What was that Mr. Obama a slip of the tongue? Slave state, huh.
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THOMNH621 year, 7 months ago
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what about the idea that Sharpton and Jackson really want to see the super delegates to go for Hillary to further their cause of race baiting and hate. Anyone feel the same way about it. If you disagree you don't have to call me names just an opinion would be fine.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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That is exactly what I have been thinking
Sharpton and Jackson will have a difficult time making their case if a Black man is elected president
They have made their money with race baiting and hate for years.
At this point in their lives changing jobs would be difficult
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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That's very true but Wright has a $10 million line of credit tied to his new mansion
Of course with his lifestyle $10 million might not be enough. It has been reported that he drives two Mercedes Benz automobiles worth about $142,000.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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That's amazing!! Did you actually mean "Limbaugh and Coulter have as well." You agree that Sharpton and Jackson have made their money with race baiting and hate for years?
That has to be a first that you would agree with me Jovial!
I really don't know what you are referring to with Limbaugh and Coulter.
I don't listen to Limbaugh and I don't read Coulter's columns
I have read some of the articles about them on Propeller but don't recall race baiting/hate. Want to enlighten me with some specifics?
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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Well Jovial since I have no idea what you are talking about, it is very difficult to answer your question
What exactly I am supposed to be outraged about?
I asked you to enlighten me but obviously you were just popping off and have no examples to back up your claim
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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You are a friggin' liar if you say you haven't heard or read any of Limbaugh's or Coulter's stories. Any one as deep into politics as you are had to. Denying it is silly. If what you say is true, then you aren't currently informed to a level insufficient to make a political argument. So Toodle-oo!
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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LOL I'm not surprised at your Toodle-oo Jovial
Some of us don't listen to talk radio or read columnists like Coulter. You don't have to be informed to ignore pundits
Your lack of examples simply tells me you are a bomb thrower who is not really as well informed as you would like others to believe
I'm certain if you wander off to Moveon.org or the DailyKos you can find something to try and illustrate your point
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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"Some of us don't listen to talk radio or read columnists like Coulter"
Good response.
It's really amazing - and insulting - how many radical leftists think that conservatives get their opinions or marching orders from Limbaugh et al.
Thanks to the Internet, all political viewpoints are readily available to anyone who wants to get them.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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"how many radical leftists think that conservatives get their opinions or marching orders from Limbaugh et al"
Pergaps if you take your opinions and marching orfers from Moveon.org, the DailyKos etc, you can't imagine that everyone, right or left, doesn't do the same thing
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Yet all of you that don't "listen to" or "read" these things have strong opinions about them. What's really amazing is that most of the conservative viewpoints go through a litmus test. That litmus test is good old fatboy Limbaugh. I think if you really looked at it you would find that your views and his are more similar than not.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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"What's really amazing is that most of the conservative viewpoints go through a litmus test. That litmus test is good old fatboy Limbaugh"
You're suggesting that Rush Limbaugh is the sole arbiter of conservative thought. Even though conservatism existed long before Limbaugh.
That is so silly that it isn't worth further comment on my part.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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Positions of limited government, low taxes and strong defense didn't suddenly appear 10-15 years ago, boy wonder.
Your mind is made up, so continue to believe that Limbaugh is the man behind the curtain pulling all the strings. It's easier to discredit ideas via guilt by association than it is to debunk the ideas logically.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 7 months ago
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Why can't Hillary seal the deal? She has one of the most recognized brand names in politics and a popular expresident in her corner!
She can't seal the deal EVER!!!! what a hypocrite, liar, and overall inflated windbag. Her only influence in this election is to spoil it for the eventual nominee, Barak Obama.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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"They said that about Indiana"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Who're "they?" An average 5 point spread (with a margin of error or 3% or so) isn't a cloberring.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 7 months ago
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"So the poll could have went her way as well and she could have won by 8%, but that didn't happen did it? I wonder why?"
Because Obama overachieved and got 40% of the white vote in Indiana and North Carolina. African-Americans make up 18% and 37% of the Democrat electorate in those two states respectively.
But anyone who thinks Obama will win North Carolina in the general election - when Kerry and NC's own Edwards lost it in 2004 - is dreaming.
West Virginia has much the same white demographics as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana but has only a 3% African American population. Ditto Kentucky, which has an 8% African-American population. He'll lose big in those states.
Make no mistake: Barring a catastrophe, Obama will be the Democratic nominee. But this is the fourth time (New Hampshire, Ohio/Texas, Pennsylvania and North Carolina/Indiana) that he's failed to take Hillary out. He's forced to waiting for her to bleed to death.
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This race crap is tiring. From the news programs to the people here on propeller. A lot of what your saying is correct, but this white vote, black vote, female vote, male vote, old vote, young vote, rich vote, poor vote, southside vote, eastside vote, nonsense is irritating to me. I understand that's how they do these surveys, but there's got to be a better way. If, (and the odds are in his favor) he wins this primary, I hope that the race questions will go away. Unfortunately, I fear they will not, because this divisiveness meets the needs of some people to put obama on the defensive.
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"but this white vote, black vote, female vote, male vote, old vote, young vote, rich vote, poor vote, southside vote, eastside vote, nonsense is irritating to me"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
Welcome to Identity Politics - of whom the Democratic Party is the chief practitoner. The empowerment thing, you know.
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And another good point if he gets elected POTUS, if any foreign leader visiting the White House angers the first lady she'll "gouge their eyes out." On a serious note what has he proposed or done to indicate he will make any difference? All I've seen is more government and more tax dollars.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Well, to start with, I like his idea to shift the tax breaks from companies that outsource labor to companies that use US labor.
As for taxes. I'm sure they'll go up a bit, but I'd rather have a 'tax and spend' Liberal than a 'borrow and spend' Neo-Con any day.
I'd like to see him put the smack-down on shady lenders as he is proposing.
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Taxes are way too high now. What we need is spending cuts. Both sides are equally to blame for the spending. Bush at times has spent like there is no end to the money. Fiscal restraint would fix many of the issues in our country. No candidate that I've heard, except Ron Paul, has focused on this aspect.
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Every black person in my area is voting for Obama. I see their stickers on their cars or in front of their houses in my neighborhood. I talked to one in my buiding the other day. She has no clue about what he stands for and has never voted before. She thinks Obama is gonna help the black community because her church told her so. She was talking about this election like someone would talk about wanting their sports team to win. It's obvious to me she is only voting this time around because there is a viable black (isnt he Half White?) candidate.
as I get older, I realize Alexander Hamilton was right. The sheep can not govern themselves. We desrve to be run by elites or kings. To vote based on race, sex, religion is to ruin the entire concept of self rule.
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Considering that only white males have made serious runs at the presidency up to now, you just disqualified all of american democracy.
And how much are you basing your opposition to Obama, on the fact that he is the choice of the black people in your area?
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Voting based on race, sex, or religion is not voting for the best candidate for the job. FYI, I am opposed to Obama, McCain AND Hillary. I have read each of their platforms and am uninspired. My point before was based on talking to a few of my neighbors who are voting for Obama, but dont know his platform. They are only voting for him because, as the one said "it's time we get a brother all up in there".
Makes me want to move to Mexico, illegally of course.
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So now the reason for the Prolotariat becomes clearer.....
Remember America had a choice between Kerry & Bush ...and they picked the worst person ever to run this country; which he promptly ran into the ground.
What gets me is the way they used their logic and facts to choose the village idiot.
The protagonists: A war hero, combat veteran & an officer vs. an individual whose first business went bankrupt, and whose time in the military was questionable from the start and ended with a questionable record (AWOL).
Had they been in a HRO of a corporation ...they'd have all been fired!!!
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He's only running to stop Hillary. The republicans are going in and voting him because they know he's does nothing except mainly in the interest of African Americans. Take the gas tax reduction for instance, Bush just vetoed it. Obama spoke against it. We need a break so we can take what little we can and sustain our economy with. Bush is afraid that People will take any extra money and find an easier way to live. You know what I mean, like turn your vehicle into a cheaper way to go, buy solar panels for your house or fund Hillary. Maybe spend it on family needs like a doctor, keep someone alive another day. Looks like Obama is out of touch. The President is supposed to put the well being and prosperity of his country first. Those very same republicans will vote republican. The Texas two step is all over the nation. Obama is getting paid to do this buy the republicans. I have enough muslims trying to control my life now.
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Tax cuts, tax breaks, tax rebaits, without matching cuts in spending, are all only deficit spending.
Deficit spending is only defered taxation.
You still have to pay the bill; but with interest.
Obama was brave to oppose it; it was the sort of cheap trick that politicians pull when they gamble that the voters are children.
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first of all dude, I aint a conservative nor a republican so back off... Iraq was the costliest mistake in american history.
What im saying is Obama, a democrat, needs to figure out how to fix the iraq war and the record deficit before he spends our great great grandchildrens money on anything else.
his "ideals" are fine, its his policy that sucks. how will he go about making "change"?
Is he for the end of the much failed drug war? the decriminalization of marijuana, then its legalization and taxation? Without logical, yet radical change, there will be NO change and his rhetoric will be enough to get him elected but not enough to actually enact CHANGE.
why not push for a constitutional amendment to ban political parties?
Young, liberal democrats think Obama is the new JFK, but JFK was a terrible president, who would want to be that?
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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What i don't understand is that we have a guy that wants to do something about it. Maybe not as much as you would like, and you shoot him down on every policy. It's almost like you want McCain to win. If so, show me how his policies better fit your ideologies.
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Sandokan1 year, 7 months ago
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You're exactly correct.
Its the same reason ....
Back to the Hurricane in Louisiana ...we couldnt depoloy our troops there within a couple of hours, but we could do a humanitarian drop on the other side of the world within 12 hours.
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Obama is a master of political speak. Say nothing eloquently. He talks about hope and change. Just like Clintons by word for his first election. "It's time for a change." Then he stuck his finger in the air and went the way the political wind was blowing. Is this going to be the "change" Obama is selling us?
His web site gives a platform that is very comprehensive and will cost more money than the country has. All the far left wish list. His ideas will out spend Clinton's ideas. He is farther left than she is. Of course to pay for it would require a confiscatory tax. But that is what the left is known for. Tax and Spend. And liberals will think Bush had it under control after Obama gets done spending.
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Barack Obama's Plan
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
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Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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The point is the IRS ALREADY collects this information in the first place. How do you think they know when to audit someone? Do they get it wrong sometimes? You bet, which is why it would be A) optional, and B) require the taxpayer's verification.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Because all the funding has been cut. Our infrastructure is crumbling. Where does our money go? To rebuild Iraq! Yet nothing is being built but an embassy and more bases. Contractors are milking us dry, while Republican candidates talk about increasing war funding. Yet the money were spending isn't helping the American people. It's helping Iraq and the halliburtons.
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and thats word. However, Obama isnt gonna bring all the troops home. he isnt gonna cut military spending in half. And without legalizing and taxing marijuana he isnt gonna have the funding to do his policies.
and without an impeachment push towards bush and this administration, he is closing his eyes to the last 8 years.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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He will likely roll back tax cuts on the wealthy. Funds to cover his foreclosure aid program will largely come from penalties levied on unscrupulous lenders. He's looking to close loopholes that allow for offshore tax shelters.
Tax credits will be shifted from companies that outsource labor to companies that use US labor.
I agree with you about at least decriminalizing pot, if not legalizing and taxing, but something like that would be political suicide until more states step up to bat.
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this is BS:
"Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry: Obama has been closely monitoring the subprime mortgage situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. "
Really? Mortgage lenders are now like drug dealers in the reagan administration? lurking around corners trying to lure you in? What about all the people who got more home than they could afford? Dont they have any responsibility? WHat about the people who purposefully lied on their forms to get a mortgage when they didnt desrve one?
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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They got more home because the lender lied to them! you can put this on the people all you want to but anyone with a brain knows we wouldn't be here if it was for the lenders and their tricks, which by the way is also kicking them in the fannies. There greed exceeded their brain because if the home owner cant pay guess what buddy you are left with a house and payments due to your lender. The only reason we are hearing about this mess is because the lenders are calling on their buddies in Washington for help! Idiots, they were too busy screwing the citizens to have realized that they are screwing themselves too. I like congresses new proposal that they sell at a 15% lost to another lender that will adhere to the congresses regulations!
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I agree to this, in 1999, the US Congress repealed the Glass-Steagall Act which was enacted after the great depression to seperate the world of commercial banking and investment banking. But many people bought huge houses, put down 5 to 10%, got an arm, and couldnt afford it to begin with. They misled themselves. Many people with out the proper credentials, work history, etc also lied on their apps and got into things they couldnt persist with. Its not like every foreclosure was because of the banking boogieman. Half were also people who were living beyond their means.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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"Half were also people who were living beyond their means."
I'd say half are people who are NOW living beyond their means due to their ARMs adjusting. Keep in mind a LOT of people accepted ARMs in the first place because they were assured it would be easy to re-fi into a fixed rate since historically the housing market has always moved up. But since the housing market has been tanking, many find themselves 'upside-down' with a much higher payment, unable to refinance.
Is it the responsibility of the borrower, yes, but is it also the responsibility of the lender who painted an over-rosy picture, yes. Should people who lied on their apps be held accountable? Of course, that's FRAUD. But what about the lenders who used their own stable of appraisers to artificially inflate the value of the home 'for loan purposes'? Lots of people re-fied to get equity from their homes that simply wasn't really there.
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But you must admit, if the lender tells you it's going to be $1500.00 per month most people go ok, I can do that. What the lenders did is they turn around and sell that loan to another lender more than likely one they own, in so doing the new lender has new terms, which now demands that you pay $3000.00 a months. People didn't buy houses they couldn't pay for, well not if the payments stayed at the price they were given!There was a woman on TV with a $70,000.00 a year house hold income who was losing her home because she couldn't pay. Now tell me if that isn't ridiculous. People are not to be blame here this is like the WAR lies got us into that and lies got the home owners into this mess!
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From Obama's website:
Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: "Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers."
AGAIN: where the hell is he gonna get the money? I dont want pay any more F'ing taxes. Again, oblama is gonna throw money at a problem.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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It certainly won't happen overnight! I think a good start would be a timetable for withdrawal to let the Iraqi government know A) the US is not intending an open-ended occupation, and B) the free-ride will soon be at an end.
You say ending the war in Iraq is impractical, I say staying in Iraq is equally impractical.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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President Obama will bring an end to the criminalization of our arm forces and the lawless pilfering of the American tax payers money. You are the fox fighting for the hens to be freed from their own protection. you are shortsighted self centered and stupid, if you think the war will not come to a drastic end. You side is sinking this country into more debt than ever and you think a smart person would continue an idiotic war. Obama said and I "I will bring our troops home get them retrain and go after the terrorist" Note he didn't say oil he said terrorist!
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Can some Oblama supporters explain where he is proposing to get the money to fund his ideas?
"Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve a million more children. Obama will include measures to maximize performance and effectiveness across grantees nationwide."
DOUBLE FUNDING... Means DOUBLE TAXES..
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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With all the money Bush and his friends have either wasted and or pilfered from our country, you don't have to exercise a lot of brain power to know, if you plug the leak the water will collect. Stop the GOP criminals and you fill find the money! Stop the thief and you stop the money problem!
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rgmusa1 year, 7 months ago
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If your black your voting for Obama for several reasons:
1. Higher welfare checks
2. Special entitlement programs for blacks only
3. Early release from prisons
4. Your black and have no clue except Obama is black
5. Your being told by your greatgrandmother, your
grandmother both who are unmarried with several
illegitimate children and both have never held a job,
your mother is crackhead and has no idea who your father
is.... that more babies with unknown fathers means higher
welfare checks if you vote for Obama
Who is going to pay for all the black only freebies?
White middle class.
And do me a favor, skip the racist BS I have learned what
racism really means from rev.WRONG
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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African Americans are not the group that are most reliant on public assistance in this country...you should try White Women by 23%. Please learn the fact. Bill Clinton was the president that created work fare which got welfare recipients off of welfare and back to work. He was a democratic president. You are jumping on this because you now think that Obama will win the darn thing and turn the country into a welfare state. I am shocked over and over at the level of stupidity and hate that prevails in our country! Educated and civilized my ass. I wise man was once asked, what do you think of western civilization? He reply it would be a good idea and this unfortunately still rings true today!
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from his 64 page blueprint.
"I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists
that their days of setting the agenda in
Washington are over. I have done more than any
other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists
â;; and won. They have not funded my campaign,
they will not get a job in my White House,
and they will not drown out the voices of the
American people when I am president."
Sounds like a fairy tale to me. He's in for a rude wake up call. I say if he gets elected and fails on this, he should be impeached.
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Ratskii1 year, 7 months ago
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As should all the other American presidents who have promised the same thing. I think there is confusion about the degree to which the POTUS can bring about change. All of the candidates are offering things they can't deliver. On day one reality sets in and they have to modify their promises to fit reality.
What the POTUS does do, is too set the agenda and gather individuals around him or her in various capacities that influence how the laws are enforced. From what I've seen so far, I think I prefer the people in Obama's immediate sphere to those in Hilary's, and I prefer those in Hilary's to those in McCain's.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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The people around obama reminds me of the people around Clinton when he ran. They are all very smart. Look, People fear the unknown and those who spit out the hate are just afraid, and for the most part projecting, this is what they would do not what Obama is going to do. The thing about change is that it takes someone with the fortitude to bring it about, it's never as hard as it looks, it always just take one person to enact it. We all want what Obama says he is going to do, all it takes for him to get it done is make that first step and the nation will stand behind him and so will the nay sayers. I understands the fears of an Origan or his friend that posted all the hate on blacks, this is new and frightening to them. Me, I am alive again because Obama cannot fall short, if he does he already know the white segment of our society will get him!This in my eyes forces him to deliver ad fix our country.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Yeah, Obama does do some hair-splitting here. While he does not accept contributions from PACs or registered lobbyists, some former lobbyists are on his staff and he has accepted some rather large contributions from employees of, say, Exxon Mobile.
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the limit on contributions is 2300 bucks,,,,,because of legislation obama sponsored
peops dont seem to understand why the limit is so important...it empowers us lil peos 20 and 50 dollar donations...afterall hillary wouldnt be out of money w/o those limits
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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We can and we are. We continue to borrow to rebuild so called schools and hospitals in Iraq. While we kiss off this generation and the next ones to pay for it. I'd rather borrow money to spend on myself than borrow money to give to the neighbors.
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See my comment above. In my 60 years, every candidate has promised more than they can deliver and had to scale down their promises after inauguration (though I think GWB and Reagan may be exceptions since they borrowed trillions to pay for the things they wanted to do.
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From his booklet:
"Labor
Obama will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. He will fight for passage of the Employee
Free Choice Act. Obama will ensure that his labor appointees support workers' rights and will work to ban
the permanent replacement of striking workers. Obama will also increase the minimum wage and index it to
inflation to ensure it rises every year."
Unions, today, are part of the reason america cant compete in manufacturing.. If you didnt go to college and work on an assembly line you do not deserve $30 a F'ing hour. SORRY.
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I think an assembly line worker deserves a living wage. As we have seen, the cost of outsourcing manufacturing is high. The only reason unions have 'chased out' manufacturing is because they consistently demanded a living wage--a wage companies balked at when they could get cheap labor, lax environmental regulations, AND incentive from the government to outsource.
Used to be that a family could get by with only one breadwinner. Now you'd be hard pressed to find a family where both parents are only working ONE job each.
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And this:
"Work-Family
Obama will double funding for after-school programs, expand the Family Medical Leave Act, provide low income
families with a refundable tax credit to help with their child-care expenses, and encourage flexible
work schedules."
LOW INCOME families ALREADY get section 8, welfare, food stamps and "Healthcare". Me and my girl live together and she stopped working to go to school. We didnt get anything. What about cutting the handouts for non working people?
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Actually, there is a pretty significant gap where it is nearly impossible to get healthcare. The 'dead zone' between earning too much to qualify for Medicare, but not enough to buy your own insurance if your employer doesn't offer it. Private health insurance is pretty durn expensive. That goes for child care as well.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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What a bunch of haters. A guy does well in the primary election and look at all the haters that come out! He's electable, period. He made that point last night to Clinton. He got votes where there were grave doubts due to the Wright controversy. Instead of people lauding him on this great achievement, they bring up the race card again. They call him a Muslim. They call him unpatriotic. They make blanket insults against the entire black race in hopes that some of the smear will rub off on Obama. This should be a day for celebration. A celebration that our electoral process is working and the people of America are being heard. Instead, there is "sour grapes" and people that label Obama supporters as koolaid drinkers to imbeciles. I have sadly been able to firsthand experience the divisiveness that contributes to the overwhelming attitude that divides this country and makes us vote against our best interests.
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Thats your fault, assuming the american system is meant to actively and efficiently affect change.
Obama will win the nomination because he is to lose against McCain. this process is scripted like Wrestling.
He will be the Kerry to McCain.
If he actually fits your views then great. I personally think he is power hungry and wants to be the first black president, even though he is half black.
Our political process is akin to electing the prom king and queen. Obama;s actual policies are idealistic and expensive.
Our political process is broken. We only have 2 parties that are allowed to run for president. The law makers have made it impossible for 3rd parties to actually win an election.
good luck with obama
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My fault? LMAO! he does fit a lot of my views more closely than other candidates. Actually, I would have been much happier with a Kuccinich, Edwards, or Even Ron Paul. Those options aren't possible at this point. If by giving some control back to the middle class of this country, I somehow appear socialist or communist, that's to bad. If we really want effective change in this country we do need to open it up to more parties, I agree on that point. I don't think there should be any fundraising at all. The government should allocate the funding and all should get the same amount. Some might think that's more socialism, and wouldn't agree. As long as people need money and lots of it to run these campaigns, the system will remain the same. Thanks Origin, for wishing me luck. I agree our political process is broken and there are no foreseeable solutions to this problem.
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Im ALL for giving control back to the middle class. We are "the people" the government. However, that wont happen without a revolution. The constitution needs an amendment to illegalize all political parties, first and foremost. They are not mentioned in the constitution for a reason. Next we need to outlaw "organized group lobbying". A human has rights. Groups are NOT individuals and as such should not be afforded any right to free expression under the constitution. That goes for ALL groups, whether gay rights, religious rights, satanic groups, gun groups, etc. Campaigning should be free to the candidate out of a public trust fund that is a tax on all broadcasters and media outlets that charge advertising rates to its clients. And lastly, if a president doesnt live up to their campaign promises then they should be impeached. Why do we have to wait 4 years to "fire" an underperformer?
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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I agree. Some system whereby our representatives can express 'no confidence' in the President. I'd like to see the lifetime tenure of Supreme Court Justices rescinded as well. While we're at it, ban the filibuster and demand that all bills before Congress are 'single issue' bills with no possibility of tangental pork added as amendments.
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Unscrupulous people political ideologists would badger the sitting president to death(like they did Clinton). He wouldn't be able to do his job. I think a vote should be held in the country to establish whether a President ought to be investigated. If greater than 60% of the people feel an investigation is warranted. Congress and the judiciary should be compelled to action. The President should have no veto authority.
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Oblama's ideas on campaign reform DO NOT go far enough.
What is Lobbying?
â;; Lobbying includes all attempts to influence legislators and officials, whether by other legislators, constituents or organized groups.[1][2] Governments often define and regulate organized group lobbying.
We need to make organized group lobbying illegal via constitutional amendment...
â;; Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The first amendment says the right of the people to petition the government, NOT groups..
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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The next election is, and will be about what COULD be versus what WAS, for eight miserable, depleting (in every sense) years.
In that regard, there's really no choice, unless one wants more of the same, albeit in a tamped-down, less arrogant/bellicose version.
So let's stop looking at the word/notion of "change" under a microscope, shall we?
Those who want something different from what we've been wretchedly enduring, with its concomitant sense of personal and group power being sucked away, will vote Democratic in November.
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Of course not! Working to reduce the obscene income disparity we have now is not calling for NO income disparity. Historically, the greater the distance between the 'haves' and the 'have nots', the greater the social and economic unrest.
'Trickle down' economics have been a complete disaster, with most of the nation's wealth concentrated in the upper 10% with precious little 'trickling down'. The middle class has been in steady decline, yes, during the Clinton years too.
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questionseverything1 year, 7 months ago
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the change is open ,honest goverment
thats what obama ran on in illinois and so far he hasnt disappointed me
the gas tax holiday is really a good example....mccain is pandering even tho all economic advisors say,it will actually raise the price of gas....obama tells us the truth even when its not the popular thing to do...just like he did when he spoke out against going to war in iraq before the rest the country woke up and realized what a huge mistake that has been
it is a day to celebrate!!
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goodhair51 year, 7 months ago
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I tend to agree with your assessment of Obama's chances.
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True that Obama has won 31 states but the states that he has won are mostly Republi
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TOD3961 year, 7 months ago
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So if Obama becomes president and nothing "changes" in America, will all of you remember today? Today is the day that people who know Obama will state for the record that he is not the solution, just more of the problem. Sometimes I hope he is elected, so that when he sticks it up all of the "change we can believe in" crowd's collective a$$es, maybe then, they will accept the hard fact that Obama is nothing more than any other politician. He says what you WANT to hear, not what he INTENDS to do...
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