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Posted By not2needy 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsThe results are now in hand. The latest CBS-New York Times poll indicates that Obama's support has held relatively firm in spite of the provocative statements of Reverend Wright. The majority of Democrats are now satisfied with Obama's handling of his former pastor.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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FTA:
Even more importantly, the early voting results in North Carolina suggest that Obama will carry that Southern state decisively. According to analyses from North Carolina's political experts, Obama is trouncing Clinton via a new and unanticipated surge in black turnout that was almost certainly triggered by the massive MSM overreaction to the stage-managed appearances of Reverend Wright.
In a nutshell, the Reverend Wright strategy backfired. Polls indicate that the early voting in Indiana is heaviest in counties where Obama has commanding leads. While Indiana is another "open primary" state, and Rush Limbaugh's legions of followers could effect yet another Clinton upset via Operation Chaos, it will not matter.
HAHAHAHA!
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Georgia, connect the dots, at least help me to understand. If an apology is necessary, just who is it to come from and what is the issue? If you mean that Southern Whites voted for change; News flash, that is a sign of enlightenment. Not all people are swayed by media that play people for chumps. People should be insulted when media groups the uneducated as voters for Hillary in this case. Southerners are very astute, always known as independent thinkers and take humor in the silly notion that anyone has an advantage on them; I am one of them. All races and education levels are losing jobs and the American Dream. Despite the media non-sense, Obama is very sensitive, no way condescending in his message for all America. We need each other at this time, and open minded people will prevail. I thank everyone who is on board with saving this nation.
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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> You left out the part where liberals owe Southern whites an apology.
You left the part out where Conservatives owe all of America, whites, blacks and other, an apology for being racists losers who will try any smearboat tactic to sink positive change in this country.
Real Americans see through the Neocon BS. Any candidate who is being attacked by both the Right-wing and Left-wing establishments is definitely good for middle class working America!
Go Obama!
PS. My wife and I are sending more $ !!
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cloud151 year, 6 months ago
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"You left the part out where Conservatives owe all of America, whites, blacks and other, an apology for being racists losers who will try any smearboat tactic to sink positive change in this country."
That shows how far beyond that prejudice crap you are...
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Sandokan1 year, 6 months ago
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Good question. If voters look at the websites & actually read the contents ...there would absolutely be no question. The problem is many do not.
Once the Super Delegates get their heads out of the perennial place; where the sun never shines - they'll come to the only logical conclusion can be made- Hillary Clinton.
The awesome team that Bill assembled will pale in comparison that Hillary will put together. That will not that be the case should Osama...whoops ...Obama become the Democratic candidate for Prez.
Hillary was on the front line when Bill was President ...so that is what she means when she says she is the only one with experience!!! Imagine Bill without fault.... OMG...
Remember, we really need money back in the coffers of the nation. Bill Clinton was the FIRST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA TO PUT OUR GOVT'S BOTTOM LINE IN THE BLACK. That is fact not fiction as we all know. Or not...
So the only change that is worth anything is one for the good.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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I hope the best candidate. Democracy is messy, we don't always agree. I hope Obama, but just keep the media and election fixers out of it and I trust the American people who will use their own independent judgment. If working and middle class people think about their interest, and vote to save their bacon, screw status quo, I am good with it.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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vv63,
I noticed you negged my comment, I don't want to put Hillary down. I think she would be a thousand times better than McCain. I also think that Obama is a better candidate. I hope that you can understand that it's not personal. Whatever the outcome, we as a people can't let McCain win.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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Well if 63's a birthdate just some whippersnapper.
Oh - he negged me too!!!
Probably HE, right, if female she would more likely to be hovering round the 79 mark and next year www80, etc.
Voted FOR Obama beats Clinton in Guam, and FOR Clinton wins Pa Primary.
An electric eclectic where v stands for voltage?
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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People keep saying Hill is a better candidate and the question that keeps running through my head is, if so why does she keep losing to obama? How can you be better and still lose? The talking heads were always ridiculous but this, this is down right stupid.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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I'd like to see some of the red FACIAL cheeks of the propellerite crowd who so fervently tried to pin the Wright tag to Obama's tail and got it Wrong Wrong Wrong. Cheeky is as cheeky does but the other cheeks I'll fervently pass on.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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Will13131 year, 6 months ago
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Wright was never an issue for me.. and I'm as white as snow.. I grew up in Indiana, when I lived there it was very racist and it took a while to realize that's just not right..
that having been said, when taken out of context Rev. Wright's comments are certainly inflamatory, however when one listens to the whole sermon, I cannot argue with too much.
The aids thing I would have a problem with but we were giving black men syphilis as late as the sixties. So while I have no first hand knowledge, I also would not place the government above doing such a thing..
I other interviews I've found Rev Wright to be very personable. I'd have a beer with him.. and see where the conversation leads..
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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I never gave those sermons the benefit of my watching them. I knew from the beginning that it was just wrong to judge Obama by something that his Minister said, regardless of whether it was to his benefit or detrement. People who did judge Obama based on his ministers statements, are shortsighted, and was simply looking for a reason to vent their prejudices, without it looking like actual prejudice.
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 6 months ago
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not2 - You are so wrong. Prejudice has nothing to do with it. I would vote for Thomas Sowell in a heartbeat(he's not running). Most people would vote for anyone who was for America and who had some experience. I see Obama as just a great speaker (a plus) but very little experience, too liberal and no substance. I DO judge all candidates by the company they keep. So do most others (except you and most other libs who overlook anything negative about their favorite). If anything, perhaps Obama has overcome the bad influences of those he chose to be with (including his wife). But probably not enough.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Tiredo, I can't fault your view. However, hope you don't mind if I share that experience and leadership are two different quantities. The ability to organize and the message on which you do it separates the great from the not so great. For instance, W did a wonderful job of orchestrating, his organization is great, but here-in lies the difference in experience and message which he got the media ignore k-street, started a war in the wrong place, got supplementals for a war that was ill planned, and more; Hillary was in the mix. McCain has experience but seems to want to further the W experience on us all. Compare the campaigns, Obama is the underdog who has an organization that handles Rev Wright and the elite image. Coming from humble beginnings and he is elite, LOL. Hillary can't manage money and staff, they jump ship. McCain party knocks off his competition, see the frustration of Ron Paul backers,they want a messy primary like the Dems. Experience isn't everything.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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The thing is this was public knowledge 2 years ago. This guy was on FOX several times they knew about this and did nothing then but as soon as Obama started to look like the real thing out came wright. I know there is nothing else as much as the right want to run against Hill, they may have drugged him and shove a searchlight up his ass already!
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 6 months ago
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Wright just says that crap to make money. He's catering to a congregation that eats it up. He went to a white school, was liked there, never suffered poverty or signifiacant discrimination, is building a 10 million $$$ home in an all white neighborhood. He really loves whites and doesn't at all believe what he sermonizes about. That's just his money maker. He could sell refrigerators to Eskimos and heaters to the jungle people of Borneo. I would have a beer with Wright too, but never consider contributing to his church.
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Wolfie20071 year, 6 months ago
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Will1313
"but we were giving black men syphilis as late as the sixties. So while I have no first hand knowledge, I also would not place the government above doing such a thing.."
The black men with syphilis in Alabama were not "given" the disease by anyone but their sexual partners. The scandal is that after antibiotics, penicillin, became available they were not treated with the antibiotic. Btw, the doctor in charge of these experiments was an African American and I believe Clinton appointed him to a post in his administration.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 6 months ago
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The Tuskagee 'experiment':
I do not find any mention that the 'researchers' gave the disease to the original subjects; but by failing to use penecilin in the '40s, they caused others to be infected.
"40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children had been born with congenital syphilis."
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_...
There was a black doctor, nurse, and at one point the head of the hospital.
But the four men who led the project from 1932 to 1972 were white, and none of them were appointed to anything by Clinton (that I can find).
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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The more they whined and ranted about Wright, the more we learned about Hagee, the Moonie connection to the Republican Party, and of course we revisited the influence of the fortune teller in Ron & Nancy`s White House.
The end result being that the swiftboat attempt on Obama backfired.
I`m a white guy and I am disgusted not by Wright or Hagee, but by McCain`s chasing after Hagee despite knowing the guy`s bigoted comments AND seeing what his own side tried to do to Obama. Bad judgment city.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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AH Gama why would anyone be red cheeked? Afterall, it's our right to look into any thing that may seem a topic that would make anyone running for president a bad one, or when they are in office.
Look at all the threads of late attacking and making claims about the Bush family and those they supposedly associated with. Did you have a problem with that too, or is your indignation only when the prying eyes are turned to those in the Democrat party?
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Slate, it's no fault being diligent. Abuse is yet another issue. When you look, take a truthful look, and be fair. Yes, the Bush family get a good share of looks. What are some of the things the Bush's were accused of that are not true? I'm open to anything close to, on par with the Reverend Wright thing? Take your shot.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Slate, correct me but I took you were saying some of the Bush folk were falsely accused. I wanted to know on what subject, you choose. There was a comparison to Obama, who is getting racked; all is fair when it is for the right reasons. If I thought something would show up to make Obama a poor President, I want to know now also. The Rev Wright and elitist thing don't hold water. Who was more aggressive than Clinton on gun control. Seems Obama has focused on the big issues, rather than religion, guns and what goes on in people's bedrooms; you know stuff that a President should consider for the common good, national defense. We can't get a bad report on W when things are bad. The VP shoots someone and W says he didn't get a call for 3 days, like after Katrina. Unbelievable. W's rating is in the basement; does the media tell us why? U.S. in a Recession and do we put that first or Rev. Wright on the TV over and over? When was W or Dad done wrong in the media? Tell me.
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Aidenag1 year, 6 months ago
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The Wright issue was/is a republican talking point and nothing more. One that hillary joined in on, knowing it was all she had to go on. I think it really shows how little direction the Clinton and Republican campaigns have going for them. When they view this type of smear by association attack, as their best chances of winning.. If they had any dignity, or plan for the future of this country, they would be talking about the issues, and troubles facing this country, and how they plan on fixing them.. But no, they went the low road, and decided to instead ignore those real topics, the real issues, and the real concerns American's have about the future direction of this country.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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They don't have a plan, only to give a tax break on gas..for the summer.. which won't lower the price of gas for the consumer, and the oil companies will be able to recoup their losses in the fall, more than likely at the expense of the tax payers.
Clinton and McCain, don't have any plans, other than to use every underhanded thing they can in an attempt to discredit Obama. Go Obama!
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Aidenag1 year, 6 months ago
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Don't even get me started on that lame gas tax plan of McCain's, that hillary is trying to claim as her own now. Those 2 are so out of touch with America that they think cutting taxes to the tune of a Happy meals worth of savings is going to help the average joe...
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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It's sad, to know that the American people are in such disrepair, that they are scrambling for table scraps, and the elite politicians are capitalizing on their hunger and tossing pennies at them.
It's insulting, and apparently they think it's acceptable to treat us this way, and that we are so ignorant we will be grateful for their table scraps.
I wish i could have asked Hillary and McCain some real questions during this process. I'm sick of the condescending attitudes from both of them.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 6 months ago
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It was a mistake for Hillary to jump on McCain's gas tax nonsense. The oldest trick in the political trick book- Vote for me n' I'll give you 28 bucks. Well not only is it disingenuous as none of the candidates are president this summer to implement it, but I think a fair amount of people saw it as an insult to their intelligence and a cheap shot at pandering.
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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More like, vote for me and I`ll give you $30 of your own money, and it will only cost you the interest. Well, after the oil companies take whatever they want out of the $30 I`m going to give you, but no matter how much they take out, you still have to pay back the full $30 plus interest.
What a deal eh! Why aren`t more people excited??
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 6 months ago
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Check out the 'Economy' portion of the 'Issues' section on his web site.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Which one do you want to discuss?
* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
* Trade
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
* Labor
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
* Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
* Reform Bankruptcy Laws
* Work/Family Balance
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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And I said 'Which one do you want to discuss?' How can you call it 'pandering' if you don't want to look into the details?
Why hasn't he introduced stuff to Congress? Are you kidding? Because the Reps will filibuster and Bush will veto!
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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"Are you kidding? Because the Reps will filibuster and Bush will veto!"
But wouldn't that be a great tactic to use in the presidential campaign??
After all McCain would be voting also and Obama could point out how McCain voted
Why is he afraid to go on the record with some of his "change" ideas?
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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Obama has been running for President since before the Dems took over, as has Hillary and McCain.
Why hasn`t McCain introduced any of his ideas as bills, or Hillary?
Just as long as we keep it fair and equal, I think just about anything is on the table.
Not that hard to do, really.
PS. You`re still avoiding all the issues.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Not2, Obama gave a long explanation on his policy to solve the issue. This is my opinion, someone who can talk with the folk who have oil, to bring order, and restore confidence in the Dollar will go a long way. I am positive the No-Tax and spend, surely won't do. The holiday tax was McCain's. I have not heard Hillary with an original thought in a while, also chiming in on the holiday thing; I have heard her saying what seems to play with the media. Whether you agree with Obama's solution or not, is your choice, but you should check it out. He responds; he hadn't run from the issues yet, like what he says or not. He just don't have a big mouth like me or Reverend Wright.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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There is a plan,
Drill more so we can increase our supply thus reducing costs (The Left won't allow that)
Build more refineries so we can increase our supply thus reducing costs (The Left won't allow that)
Reduce the number of 'blends' of fuel to one so we can increase our supply thus reducing costs (The Left won't allow that)
Increase the number of Nuclear Plants, to reduce the cost of electricity so we can use less fuel oil so we can increase our supply thus reducing costs (The Left won't allow that)
Heck from what I hear, the left doesn't even like wind power now because everything has a price, that source costs the lives of birds.
The only plan I know of from Hillary or Obama is tax the oil companies, who will in turn pass that cost to us somehow, thus making more profits so the Dems can tax tem and the cycle becomes perpetual at the cost of the People.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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That was Hillary's plan not Obama's. The drilling wouldn't fill a thimble in the scheme of things. Nuclear power is dangerous, uneconomical, and there is that nagging problem of what to do with the spent fuel. Oh wait! I know we can fashion that nuclear waste into bullets, and invade Iran. Then we'll use all the rounds there. (sarcasm off) The Democrats have been far more proactive on reducing our dependence on foreign oil than Republicans. They want to do it in a way that we don't destroy our habitat called Earth that we live on. This is the only planet we have.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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THat was a typical post from a left leaner such as yourself Jo JO. You've proven my point by iusing exactly all the talking points I mentioned.
Drilling no longer destroyes the plant get with the program this is 2008,,,, there is a lot of crude oil in the US,,,, in ALASKA, Along our coasts and in the lower 49 states, We should use it as we are trying to come up with something else to replace it. Why suffer the cost for the next 20 years? You know it will take at least 20 years before we have those answers and another 5 to put them in place.
Please show me anything the Dems have done to reduce our depenence on foreign oil?
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm...
The Democrat proposal above.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
The Republican stonwalling above. What's wrong with being a left leaner, by the way.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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If you lean far enough to the left you can fall down, that is just one reason being a left leaner is a bad thing.
Now I like some of the things in the proposals, however I still think we can drill and not do that much harm to the wilderness, we need oil and we should get it IMO.
Now I beleive that we should find other energy sources,,,,, we need to find the way to use solar,,,, that is the best chance of tapping energy if and when we can get solar panels to be good enough to one power our buildings, machines (replace the power companies) and a way to run vehicles as well (reduce oil to be used for all the other things besides energy that we use it for)
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Actually oil supply is not the problem. There is a bottleneck in refinery capacity. Some would say it is artificial, since many refineries have been shut down since 1995, particularly smaller refiners who were bought up by large companies. At least one new refinery is on the way.
Nuclear Plants are gaining some ground since safety has vastly increased and the environmental impact is nowhere near coal or oil. In new breed reactors, spent fuel can be recycled and used again. All this was in the last Mother Jones magazine.
There is no easy fix to becoming oil independent. New reactors and refineries take time to get up and running. There is promise in cellulose-derived ethanol and other biofuels in the pipeline (no pun intended).
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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Nuclear plants are almost always subsidized by the rate payers. I think you might find the facts in this brochure quite interesting.
http://www.neis.org/literature/Brochures/npfact...
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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ANWAR wont be more than a drop in the bucket and wont last more than six months. Plus, we may need that for a defense reserve in the future if/when oil runs out in the ME.
Moreover, I just saw Obama on an interview last night talking in depth about all kinds of alternative energy sources, including nuclear, which he wants to investigate and expand if/where optimal. So much for your `Left wont allow that`.
The Left will gladly allow a reduction in the number of blends, just not the lowest common denominator blend which is what the Right wants.
What you hear is wrong, because you choose to only listen to the wrong side.
BTW, taxing windfall profits actually reduces the cost of goods because the company has little or no incentive to gouge us. They aren`t going to keep the profits anyway, so they charge less. It is a good way to keep monopolistic industries like oil in check. Compare to current `self-regulation` model of gouge and gouge more Right-wing Laissez-non-fairre.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Slate you are about 50 percent on that comment. The right, who are the oilmen, protecting their profits, is the sort that also holds things back. There is a strategic issue where the war and relations in the Middle East and Africa can use better intervention. On that critical issue, we have to look at the Dollar; it is failing. We should be very concerned that we can buy anything on the open market! This is a no joke issue. The debt and lack of production are huge, all influencing what the dollar is worth. That No-Tax and spend, and it applies to the Upper Cons on the Right as well, need to be changed to support for small and medium businesses to rebuild America's productivity. Grants, policy, and enforcement for the people that put their shoes on in the morning and head out to make a living will make the dollar work too. But you have to get pass the lobbyist. Hillary is in to deep and McCain's right wing base is the Big Money, that they can't go against.
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Georgia501 year, 6 months ago
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Aidenag:
A mere GOP talking point? How does that explain:
1. b. Hussein disinviting his pastor from his candidacy announcement a year before Wright became an issue?
2. The b. Hussein campaign web site dropping the link to TUCC?
3. TUCC cleaning up its racist web site?
You see a talking point. We see mindless zombies who'd vote for Hitler over Bush, oblivious to the fact that Bush is not and cannot run. You cite absence of solutions by McCain or Hillary. And b. Hussein's solutions are?
Form over substance gets you only so far.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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''We see mindless zombies who'd vote for Hitler over Bush, oblivious to the fact that Bush is not and cannot run.''
that makes no sense
you just said he isn't running
I'd write in Hitler first if W was on the ballot again[remember when reagan wanted a third term?]
he dead, W was only dead from the neck up, but still could walk and talk like a man with a will of his own, and could still do harm
but anyway, I was thinking this morning that after the GOP is DOA come voting results time, that there will be a whole bunch of Bush defenders who let out an involuntary sigh
they will think that the sigh is just gas, but it will be their subconscious minds expressing relief
because I know at some level they realize how bad Bush Inc has been for the country, no matter what comes out of their mouths
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Georgia501 year, 6 months ago
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"I'd write in Hitler first if W was on the ballot again"
Thank you for the validation. Just so you know we know, merely that you perceive a lack of substance in McCain and Hillary, or the GOP and the entire Hillary faction, or the Bush admin, does not in itself magically cause substance to coalesce in B. Hussein.
Exhibit A in the public trial of B. Hussein's substance has been repeatedly declared missing from you Hussein supporters. And you repeatedly refuse to put forth anything for consideration.
Why is that asking too much of your would-be Exalted Ruler?
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Georgia501 year, 6 months ago
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Awwww...does the widdle Bawack ***NO MIDDLE NAME*** Obama appwoach of the media make you feel all nice and cuddwy inside?
Or is da widdle Iwwinois senator just the onwy candidate in a genewation to have a middle name that no seems to know how to find on their widdle itty bitty keyboards?
Awwww....
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL
good luck at trying to get me to sink to your level
as all these good people can attest, you'd be the first
and Georgia, you should actually read what I wrote on the 3rd page[as of this writing]
I wouldn't recommend you post like you know my views without reading them, because you don't
and the Hussein thing was merely a foreshadowing of the 'awwww and widdle' stuff you just wrote, so you proved me right that you were being inflammatory
but if you want to make yourself look foolish, you're welcome too
It's a free country
It's just that I admire your writing skills and hate to see you act in such a manner
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Obama has plenty of substance, you just choose not to take a look.
I suggest visiting his web site and look under the 'Issues' section (and yes, I've visited McCain's site). The MSM doesn't want to talk about issues because it's not as 'sexy' as oh, say, an inflammatory pastor. Discussing issues is as hard and boring as Ben Stein on Viagra.
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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We have repeatedly put forth exhibit H, Rev Hagee in the public trial.
You cons consistently try to ignore McCain`s begging for an endorsement by the bigoted hate-preaching Hagee. This guy is worse than Wright, but you give him a pass.
And lets not get bogged down in the details. What really matters is how the candidates reacted. Obama, diplomatically denounced and distanced himself from Wright. McCain chased after Hagee and welcomed him onto his team even after the smearboating started. Judgment issue? Yes, and it belongs to McCain.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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When you don't have the facts, with substance, the BS your way through. Talk reality, and let us know the substance. If Obama is a racist, worst case scenario, what fear do you have for his Presidency? Did you know that Thurgood Marshall, respected, Supreme Court Judge, called H. Bush and Reagan racist, and pointed out their policy and actions. How many Presidents has America had that could be called racist? Are you afraid that you will be cut off from something? What if this is so? Obama and anybody else had better shore up the dollar, get Iraq under control, fix the Prime and sub-prime caused credit. We can look at silly issues like what a preacher says while our way of life is slipping away. You can trust the status quo to do what they use to, but they are now in global hoc. They are junkies on a wealth high, a trip that will leave you with phony money. Still want to talk about Reverend Wright?
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Wolfie20071 year, 6 months ago
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"Racism may be fading faster in the South than in the Establishment",...... but socialism isn't taking hold down here. I talk, eat, walk and listen to USA southerners everyday. Obama can't win. The democrats are going to loose so bad if Obama is their nominee. Oh well, Hillary would loose too but just not as bad. lol
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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After eight years of fascism, a little socialism as you call it will be a welcome ray of sunshine for working-class America.
We already pay for universal health and universal higher education, but because of the fascists in power, that money goes into crony pockets.
Its time we get what we already pay for.
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icono11 year, 6 months ago
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I think the Rev Wright issue will crop up again as time goes on.
I'm a little leary about counting the chickens before the eggs hatch on this one.
Yet Congratulation to OBama for winning NC and congrats to Hillary for winning Ind..
Hillary is still hanging tight though. I wonder if she is planing to have a floor fight for the nomination during the Convention?
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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> I think the Rev Wright issue will crop up again as time goes on.
Yes, I think you are right, because I dont see the Right-wing getting any less desperate or any more mature/serious before November.
But that`s ok, because for every Wright there is a Hagee, Roberts, Moon, and Reagan WH fortune teller in the ammo drawer.
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Spadecaller1 year, 6 months ago
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After consorting with the right wing press and the GOP in Pa., nothing would surpise me.
IN fact, Hillary and Bill seem to have become close friends of the Bushes... I wonder if they are also honoring the Saudi's wishes -- to leave Osama bin Laden alone.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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"The headless chicken is still running.
Would somone please put that poor creature out of its misery!
I understand that Hillary will be a guest on the Rush Limbaugh show tomorrow. That should be interesting. Ha!"
"Kindred spirits, Hillary and Rush."
What they can only talk to leaft wing TV?
I think the song by the Eagles about 'The New Kid in Town' is apropos here. Oh how easily we fall from grace. 2007 Hillary is royalty and will save the planet, with nothing she had done in her past, nor anything she did at that time mattered to the left. She was their (the left's) best hope to defeat the evil Bushies. Now those that formerly worshiped her would as soon slander her as being in cahoots with the antithesis of all that is evil in the world, which is 'RUSH L.'
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Georgia501 year, 6 months ago
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Why should Hillary stop? As an outsider who dislikes either of them, Hillary must wage a scorched earth battle to the end. That is because there's no damage to the Dems. McCain can't win and will not fight to win. He's going to roll over and play dead like a good RINO should. The Dem primary IS the general election, and Hillary knows it.
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Georgia501 year, 6 months ago
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Since the GOP decided to run a non-candidate RINO to ensure a Democratic victory in November, I'm sitting this one out. B. Hussein gets the nod, I abstain. Hillary gets the nod, I'm going to swallow hard and vote for her.
The girl has fight. And I say that as someone initially nonplused with her power-hungry, it's-my-nomination attitude. Plus I know Hillary will stand by Israel.
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Nixie1 year, 6 months ago
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That's asinine. If there is no one worthy of a vote, then not voting is the only responsible thing to do. And you have the right to complain about the winner and the lack of a decent option. If your state offered up a vote for either hanging or the guillotine for executing prisoners, would you vote for that? I sure wouldn't. And you would be well within your rights to be angry about both methods and the fact that those were your only options.
But of course, it shouldn't END with complaining. If you are going to complain, then you should actively try to DO something about it.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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What's asinine here is not voting, exercising one of the most important rights you have, and thinking anyone wants to hear you whine about the way things are when your vote could have made a difference.
Your guillotine vs. hanging analogy is what's asinine, in no way comparable to the issue at hand, and not even a realistic analogy.
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scott42611 year, 6 months ago
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Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States. He decisively won North Carolina. And as of this writing, Hillary Clinton leads on Indiana by only 4% of the vote (52% for Hillary to 48% for Obama) with the major urban areas just starting to report in. If she just barely wins in Indiana or if Obama pulls off an upset - either way - it's over.
The race really begins now...
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scott42611 year, 6 months ago
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She won't do that...the Clintons have too much invested in the Democratic Party...
...but I DO beleive she will have an opening to unify the party this next week by bowing out with dignity - if she'll only take it.... I'm not holding my breath....
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Maybe so, but I really don't like any talk about dead candidates.
The process moves along, though the Democrats have screwed this one up with states not being counted, which hurt the party as a whole. We all know how it works, once Obama gets the nod the most of Party faithful will back him except for a few hardliners, just as the Republicans did McCain.
In the end, they all have flaws, which should be brought forth for everyone to see and decide if the flaw is a major thing to them or not. I wish McCain and who ever wins the Democratic nomination well, its only going to get worse by leaps and bounds.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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But mostly, I wish the common folks of the nation well, times are tough, the nation is divided on the level of the 1960s or worse. Everyone can decide whom he or she think is the best person to do that with his or her vote. Hopefully, we will do the right thing and do that. Not because age, race, religion, being a former this or a former that. Remember each candidate is an individual; they aren't puppets on a string. They both will have flaws, it's up to us to figure out which flaws deems them unworthy of our vote.
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scott42611 year, 6 months ago
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Actually, slate, sometime you really get under my skin. But that's because we are debating - and sometimes arguing - about politics.
But then, you say something smart like that and I realize you are not a total nutball...(you know I'm just kidding, of course).
Seriously, it is because of posts like this that you have gained my respect.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Thanks.... you know that I love to 'debate' 'argue' and I'm hard headed and for the most part sure I'm on the right side of the debate (as we all do) but I'm far from Hard Hearted,,,, I have many sides as most people do,,,, Now if you'll only agree with me on everything,,,,,,,,
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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Slate, am I wrong in understanding that at least in FLA, it was the Republican Gov and Republican legislature who actually changed the primary dates? This despite knowing the rules of both parties and being warned by both parties of loss of some or all delegates?
If so, and the Republicans chose to let the babies have their way and cheat by only docking them a portion of their delegates, than shouldn`t Republican voters be angry? Arent they?
Also, if they did that and by doing so denied all Liberals and moderates and left-leaning conservatives the chance to be heard, shouldnt the state of Florida have to arrange for and pay for a do-over? Isnt that the right thing to do? I wonder how/why FLA voters put up with that govt down there. First the voter roll scrubbing, 2000 election, and now this.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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The message from Obama is quite clear. Black, white, brown, rich, poor, red state, blue state, old, young came together and voted for America. Change doesn't come from the top. This election isn't about Clinton, Obama, or McCain it's about us, the American People. We want to have our dream of what America is, returned to us. We don't want Wall street or some neocon ideologues telling us what America is. We want a to give our children and our grandchildren a chance.
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walden31 year, 6 months ago
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I think about a lot of stuff to. Results are what matters. I wouldn't say it's impossible, but the way Washington work requires people to cross party lines. Also, when you look at who is contributing to whom you find out that they all get their money from the basically the same places. Who is Obama beholden to? Most likely the same folks that McCain and Hillary are.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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If you look at thing that way, then it really doesn't matter who we elect. It's an exercise in futility. So putting McCain in office is the same as putting hillary in office, is the same as putting Obama in office. I can't accept that theory.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Walden3, I am convinced that Obama is not the heavy to take all the weight. We have had Deciders running America and they decided to wreck the economy on the way to getting wealth and protecting that wealth. Where I think the Dems will allow more people to make good, the Cons are enforcing a policy that make large companies overwhelm the smaller ones. If 80 percent of local economies are supported from small businesses and they aren't making money then the nation suffers. I am hoping Obama is the one to unleash the willing and able to do their own thing, moving from the Corporate structure. There is more to it, but we can't be relegated to the Salary Trap. Ownership has to grow to fill in the gaps where large companies have failed or went off shore. That means you and I have to make our living again. We can do so not having the Corporate boots on our throats; seen as no lobbyist or big campaign funding before opportunity. Clearly, you see this will not favor the rich.
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Ratskii1 year, 6 months ago
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With 88% reporting in Indiana, Clinton leads by 4%. With 66% reporting in North Carolina, Obama leads by 14%.
North Carolina has more delegates at stake and Obama's lead there is greater. Looks like he continues to expand his lead over Clinton.
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walden31 year, 6 months ago
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Although I don't understand all the nuances, and I'm no Hillary supporter, why shouldn't she get the Michigan and Florida delegates? Millions of Democratic voters should not be disenfranchised just so that Iowa and NH get to vote first. I'm surprised you're not in favor of counting every vote.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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Go after the guy that decided to break the DNC rules. Why punish Obama? He didn't declare that there would be no elections in Michigan or Florida. You guys are looking for someone to lash out on, go after the people that caused the problem.
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walden31 year, 6 months ago
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"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Barack Obama argued today that the Michigan and Florida delegates should have a role in the Democratic convention, but that the delegates that Hillary Clinton won in those states should not be allocated to her."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/13/politic...
BTW who is "you guys?"
I'm not looking to lash out at anyone. I jsut don't like any of the "main stream" candidates.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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It's Michigan and Florida's fault. They should have ensured they played by the rules. As a lawyer you should know that. They could have played an important role in this election if they followed the rules. They chose not to. So should there, or shouldn't there be a penalty?
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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neither:
That is a claim Florida officials flatly deny. The legislature, with the governor's support, did vote this spring to move the primaries â;; Democratic and Republican â;; to Jan. 29. But after Democratic amendments to set a Feb. 5 primary failed, nearly every Democratic lawmaker joined the Republican majority in favor of the Jan. 29 date.
Several Democrats invoked the same reason as Republicans: to give the nation's fourth most populous state a bigger role in the nominating process.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1016/p01s01-uspo....
The folks who broke the rules knowing full well the consequences but hoping to blackmail the parties into breaking their own rules: the Florida govt and politicians. You would think after the 2000 fiasco, FLA pols and bureaucrats would make a tiny effort to obey election laws and rules, but no.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Walden, we have rules. Hillary nor Obama were responsible for the decisions on this issue. See the DNC, or Dean. Poor decision, but unless the party can reintroduce the process equally for the each of the candidates, then live with the rules. It is deceptive for Hillary to accuse Obama of disenfranchising these states when he is doing what they both set out on. If she had spoke up as loudly as she is now when Florida was talking about suing the DNC and the fighting at the start, I would respect her position. If someone other than a candidate was making noise, I could understand. But this is grandstanding at its finest. As Georgia aptly called it a Scorched Earth strategy, again it comes down to saying anything to win. No more than that from her. I feel their pain. In an evenly conducted election, I think Obama would stump Hillary in FL and she may duplicate IL in Michigan. Not a peep until CYA time; it's more wishful thinking by a desperate campaign than genuine concern.
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Daylight1 year, 6 months ago
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Obama will make the difference to the American blood thirsty politics. Had reverend Write said God bless America for supporting Israel to kill Palestinians, by now race is over. He merely pointed out that what America doing was wrong, engaging in killing people all around the world. He just cited the Bible and the Republicans want to use it against Obama and Clinton will not make a difference to American politics, she is as blood thirsty as Bush and Chaney. American people elected Bush twice knowingly his family had ties with Nazis and his policies are fascist.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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Vidman, the only people you agree with are the one's that got us into the mess we have now. So why be a hater? Give 3 cheers for the American people and the Democratic principles that they support. When Hamas won in israel, bad election, we need a do over. When the prospect of Sadr would win in Iraq, you want a do over, I guess you want a do over again with Obama. As long as the results aren't in your favor you and and your cohorts refuse to accept it.
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automan9091 year, 6 months ago
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Hillary should take the Florida and Michigan issue to the Supreme Court. Those voters are Americans too and should be counted. How would you like it if your vote did not count?
If those votes counted she would be beating his racist butt right now.
It's not over till that issue is resolved in court.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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The Florida race was neck-and-neck, so if anything, the delegates would be virtually split between Hillary and Obama. Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, so there is no way to determine what the popular opinion would have been. Again, the only 'fair' thing would be a 50/50 split of the delegates.
The DNC simply cannot afford to re-do the elections. If the Florida and Michigan Dem party want their voices heard, let them cough up.
The Supreme Court has nothing to do with the operations of a particular party unless they have broken the law or violated the Constitution. When you sign up to be a member of a particular party, you sign up to abide by their rules.
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Ratskii1 year, 6 months ago
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An interesting development: with 28% of the vote in Gary IN and the surrounding region in, Obama is winning there overwhelmingly. If he maintains the 75% to 25% advantage he has there now, he will win Indiana.
Hilary's overall lead there has been reduced to less than 2%.
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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Congratulations to Senator Obama on a decisive win. Clearly, he can take a licking and keep on ticking. Talk about a fighter, he's been pounded from every side these past three weeks, and he still pulled of a stunning victory in North Carolina and fought Clinton to a virtual draw in Indiana, a state that was supposed to be made for her message.
I loved the inclusive tone of his victory speech. No gloating there.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 6 months ago
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Well, none of the candidates are what I'm looking for. It's really to bad. I'd like to know a little more about Obama before making any decisison about him. After Bush I'm gun shy about any presidential nominee. He said a lot of good things and turned out to be a crappy pesident.
So I'm not applauding any of them. In fact this may well be the first election I don't vote in. I'm that disappointed in all of them. All I hear is change blah blah blah, No change blah blah blah, and I'll say whatever it takes to beat Obama and McCain blah blah blah.
When are we going to hear we need to strengthen America thru rebuilding and revitalizing our production and manufacturing base. We are going to do what Americans did so well in the past. We are going to build and produce quality products. We are going to become the old America in this new world. When are we going to see that kind of change. A change in the right direction.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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Cowboy - You haven't been listening to Obama or you wouldn't have said this
"When are we going to hear we need to strengthen America thru rebuilding and revitalizing our production and manufacturing base."
Obama 5/8/08 " It's time we bring home the American jobs and instead of rewarding companies with tax breaks who takes jobs out of America, lets reward and give tax breaks to companies that create and bring jobs back to America." If we as a nation stands up to these CEO that say they are for America and move to the united emeritus to avoid paying taxes even when the government gives them the biggest tax breaks ever, we will never fix this nation.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 6 months ago
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Blackacereturn:
You are right. I didn't hear Obama say that. Because I was at work all afternoon till well past 11:00 PM PST.
Why hasn't this been said earlier in the campaign. It seems to me that is where our greatest fundamental problem lies.
If we start rebuilding our nation and stop rewarding traitorous companies and CEO's we will be an example to the world again.
I will check this out later. Thanks for the info.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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It was! go to youtube and look at some of his old stuff and you will find it there! This is the 4 time that I can recall that he has said this. This is an example of what has happen in this nation the last 8 years. We spend so much time looking for the bad in everything that we never see the good. I also think the current administration has made us as a nation even more jaded than ever.
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rimbaud1 year, 6 months ago
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The reason most elections are 50/50 these days is that the political parties are much more alike than different. In truth, we are not divided, at all, but all on the same side. In Europe, Obama, our "tax and spend Socialist" would be on the Right of the political spectrum. We cannot accomodate new ideas, and we label them so that they fall outside our comfort zones. Opinions of candidates the likes of Gravel and Paul are characterized as loony. Our government is paralyzed:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/06/...
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU6NiMEaHko
Obama said he doesn't know if he would have voted against the war
Obama voted to keep funding the war
[why am I saying war? it aint a war]
I know it may be gauche to put this here, but I like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uud-fqelmaI
I'm told a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for McCain, but after midterms and all those newly elected dems voted to keep funding the war...I mean, people wanted Iraq over, they knew that, they knew that's why they got elected.
So I'm thinking it may just be business as usual come next year.
and that worries me
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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Now don't get me wrong, Obama is an appealing fellow and those silly 'scandals' don't mean dick to me, and I won't mind him winning. But foreign policy and how it effects our economy is the biggest issue, and Ron Paul nails that, just like he nailed this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLV7zDhKzDY
that is the kind of foresight we needed then and we need now
I know Paul is painted as a whacko and people cringe to hear him talk about some issues and his ideas for cutting programs[and hence spending], put foreign policy, the kind that spells economic disaster, is the key issue
not trying to stump for Paul, just explaining why I don't trust Obama on Iraq
I also was impressed with Paul's work ethic and the fact that he actual reads things other candidates don't, like oh, the 9/11 commission report
that was some sad ass comedy to see Rudy and the rest freaking out because Paul was repeating stuff in the 9/11 commission
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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to hear those other stooges sticking to 'they hate us for our freedom' makes me wonder if the die is already cast as far as America's future
but I'll look at the bright side: maybe Obama will get elected and actually do what needs done
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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Obama in '04 said he doesn't know if he would have voted against the war, and that 'There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position[on Iraq] at this stage'
Now he explains this by saying it WAS '04, and the dem presidential nominees were FOR the war, so it was a timing thing
another words he was playing party politics, and compromising his 2002 anti-war speech [which I'm about to listen to while I'm youtubing]
this from a guy who wants to change the way washington does business?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4
and check out this little tidbit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup1j1GZ0l0
do you see why I don't trust him to withdraw from Iraq?
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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Obama is just another politician
a pretty good one I think, as pols go
but he'll keep playing the game, not reinvent it
not 'change washington'
that's just campaign rhetoric
that's why I support that whacko Ron Paul
that would be real change
but real change makes people uncomfortable and frightens them
when asked about troop withdrawal, not double talk like that last link[no 'I don't know' about voting, he DID vote against Iraq] he just said, he would begin troop withdrawal 'immediately'
so again, I think Obama's a good politician, but make no mistake, he is a politician in every sense of the word, so don't get too carried away
and I still won't mind him as prez
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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one more youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8&feat...
at about 1:30 Obama tells Charlie Rose, in 04 no less, that he WOULD HAVE voted against the Iraqi invasion, which of course conflicts with the aforementioned 'I don't know if I would have voted against it' statement he made in that same year
but all these conflicts, and mistakes or lies or doublespeak, or whatever you want to call it, is just politics
nothing horrific or damning like tailoring intel to fit a pre-existing agenda or anything like that
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bill29361 year, 6 months ago
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Obama wins in NC. But loses in his neighbor state of Indiana. I wonder what the meaning of that is? Did he win in NC because he got a overwhelming % of the black vote? Did Hillary wind in Indiana because she got an overwhelming % of the white vote? If so, which is getting the racist vote?
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thoughtforsale1 year, 6 months ago
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Looks as if Obama is on his way to nomination. The only stumbling blocks on the road are those he himself put there. Hillary can only wait for bigger mistakes and carry on: It´ll never be over till it´s over! As someone watching from the outside, one could get the impression that these preelections follow a secret dramaturgy, holding the bow of excitement in tension as long as possible. But, will John Mc Cain be perhaps the laughing third, because he can already be occupied with political content instead of competition?
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Yes, agree, Icono: it's way to soon to claim anything other than what the primaries reveal. There'll be many a twist in the road before November....
...but one can fantasize: a Dem in the White House, and--most importantly--no further Supreme Court judges "in the same cast," to quote Mr. McCain, as the very dread Roberts and Alito.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Ani, in response, did no one mention to you the grassroots movement, ever-growing, to write you in on the Nov prez ballot?
You're closer to the presidency than you think.
By the way, trying to redesign themselves, depending on which way the wind is blowing, is what pols do. The thing about O., which you don't seem to have noticed nor grasped, as that the there there is INTEGRITY.
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nativesfirst1 year, 6 months ago
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People are right on here, obama will never be pres. All of you are fooling one another if you think it will be so. He is not ready, he will "Change" but for the worse. Hillary ripped him in every debate I watched. Oh I never cared about any politics until it affected me. I'm a dem and it looks I will vote for a party I never thought I'd vote for. It's not a racist thing either so don't get it twisted.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Native, think, please before you give your vote to a Repub: do you make enough money, are you wealthy enough, to justify your choice?
That is, where do you actually stand in re making the world a safer place for those who hold all the cards?
Should justice, in the broadest and most inclusive sense, go only to the strong?
Getting people to vote in their best interests, rather than along the lines of perceived "values," is an amazingly difficult thing to do.
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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I wouldn't count Hillary out just yet
It's not over until the convention
The "pledged" delegates and Super delegates can vote any way they please at the convention
After watching the Clinton's for 8 years, would anyone be surprised to learn that their opposition reseach teams are probably working overtime?
I wouldn't be surprised to see new "revelations", true or not, come out all summer
If Hillary can damage Obama significantly, she may get enough of the delegates to change their votes
If that doesn't happen, she may be able to damage Obama enough that he loses to McCain
Hillary would rather wait 4 years to run again rather than possibly 8 if Obama is elected
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hairstyle11 year, 6 months ago
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I happen to have a good vantage point when it comes to Clinton and Obama, because I like them both and I am not pining for a woman or a black person being president, I am for the person that will make the best president.
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Sandokan1 year, 6 months ago
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The name play will play a role in the radical islamic camps. Since a lot of Muslims in the Mid East as we all know are illeterate & hang on to the every word of their imam ...much like our southern Baptists ...with no free opinions of their own, will believe someone like the real Osama saying... "Look we have won the battle versus devil America, by putting a muslim in the White House - BARACK HUSSEIN bin OBAMA"
As the one Senator stated......
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