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Posted By not2needy 1 year, 7 months ago in News"This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted,"
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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FTA:
Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday rejected a compromise plan to seat Michigan's delegates to the national convention that would give 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Barack Obama.
Clinton's campaign has maintained that the delegation should be allocated according to the vote in the Jan. 15 primary (73/55) but Obama's campaign had argued the delegation should be split between the two candidates (64/64) because he was not on the ballot.
How can she demand the majority or all of the delegates in Michigan, when Obama wasn't even on the ballot? This woman has constantly cut her nose off to spite her face, and her mean spiritedness is ripping the democrat party to shreads.
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bamababy1 year, 7 months ago
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Senator Clinton and everyone else agreed to the delegates anot being seated at the beginning of the game, now, as per usual, that things aren't all going her way, she wants to change the rules of the game, no,no,no, Hillary. This is exactly why the voters are tired of same old politics as usual. Manipulating the system for ones one benefit and self gain. She finished and everyone including Bill knows it. Did you see him during her "victory speech" after Indiana's primary? He so knows she's finished. Perhaps he should clue her in. She is making a total fool of herself here and the harder she tries, the worse she looks. We see her true colors shining through, we see her true colors and that's way we voted Obama true. I agree that every American's vote should be counted. MI and FL need to remove the legislators that botched this for them. Like Jimmy Carter said, Yes the votes should be counted , in 2012. I feel for the people left out, don't blame the candidates,
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gamahuche1 year, 7 months ago
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Good thing she's not a poker player..
"Give me those chips because I might have had 5 aces!"
Would she get shot from in front or from behind!
Or should we see it as slow-motion hara-kiri rather than nobly falling on her sword - with the possibility of resurrection to fight another day..
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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face it, if the shoe was on the other foot (Obama had a whole bunch of votes somewhere that weren't being counted) you KNOW you would be going on about the poor disenfranchised voters of whereever.
Face it, your great white leader, Howard Dean, shot the democratic party in the foot by threatening not to count the Florida and Michigan primaries and, now, the DNC is in a no-win situation. Despite what the Obama crowd says, there is no clear cut winner yet, they are neck and neck by many measures and there are two huge states (with lots of electoral votes) that are either going to be kicked to the curb, so they're peeved at the democratic party, or they are going to be counted, which is going tick off the Obama supporters to no end.
Go Howard!!
(and you guys think the dems are going to do much better than we've got at running the country when they can't even run a set of primaries?)
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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Hey, I'm an Obama supporter and I want FL and MI to have their voice heard! If a re-vote is what it takes, great! Who's gonna pay for it? The state legislatures don't want to cough up, even though the FL legislature that decided to go against party rules and change that state's primary date. I'm not sure what happened in Michigan.
Hillary wants the votes counted as is, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI. As stated before, she was perfectly fine with those delegates being unseated when she thought she was 'destined' for the nomination. This is the only shot she has at the nomination: Hold her breath until she gets the votes counted the way she wants, which would narrow the delegate count and virtually eliminate Barack's lead in the popular vote. She could then make a better case to the superdelegates.
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SpareChange1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm surprised she's going this direction. I was hoping she was going to start playing nice to rebuild her reputation with the party/voters and then bow out gracefully.
But she's going to work the politics for all it's worth
I just hope she doesn't ruin her (and Bill's) reputation.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
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This week Clinton has taken every opportunity to point out that she is the choice of WHITE working-class voters. No major appearance goes by without her mentioning that many of her supporters are WHITE.
Until now she has relied upon surrogates--Bill Shaheen, Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, etc.--to play the race card for her, now she's playing it openly and persistently herself. I don't think that she is in the least concerned about "her reputation with the party/voters" and it certainly doesn't look like she ever learned to be graceful.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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I see that clearly as well. This race thing is coming up again and again. Though we have clearly made enormous strides in America. Race is still that "Elephant in the living room". As soon as Obama tries to close the wound, either Clinton, or the conservatives open it again. At this point I think it's outright desperation, but i think she needs to be a little cautious with how much she uses this race thing. It can backfire on the entire party. Giving this issue to much legitimacy is against many of the principles the Democratic party stands on.
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SpareChange1 year, 7 months ago
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Well the more clinton makes race an issue, the less she can rely on the black vote if she does, somehow, get the nomination. A democrat can't win the white house without at least 70% of the black vote. If she offends the black vote, then why wouldn't they stay home if she rips them off?
It's just a bad strategy - so bad, it seems like a republican strategy.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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If she were trying to prove her leadership skills she would have challenged the DNC ruling BEFORE the election dates..NOT after!
This shows poor advisors and poor reaction to a potential "crisis'..In this case the "crisis" is her very candidacy.
No foresight equals bad leadership!
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texangelwings1 year, 7 months ago
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I believe that the Peoples votes should be counted both in Michigan and Florida! What ever the votes tallied, should be the delegates preference. It was not the Peoples fault that someone broke the rules. Every American has the right to have their vote counted!
Thanks not2needy!
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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amazed1 year, 7 months ago
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there are so many more issues to get upset about this. Had Dean not disenfranchised Michigan and Florida ALL the candidates would likely have campaigned in them and we might have had totally different (and better?) candidates left now.
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bamababy1 year, 7 months ago
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automan9091 year, 7 months ago
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It does not matter what the two agreed to. What matters is that the people's votes must count.
Obama was the one that didn't put his name on the ballot in Michigan so he only has his own stupid self to blame for that.
The people must be heard. All of the people.
It should go all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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"Obama was the one that didn't put his name on the ballot in Michigan so he only has his own stupid self to blame for that."
Bull. Hillary and Dennis Kucinich were the only ones who left their names ON the ballot there.
If you throw out all rules in the primaries, you end up with total anarchy, not absolute democracy.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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I doubt that this will ever go to the Supreme Court
The primaries are run by the parties under the rules the parties establish
I do agree that the voters are being punished for the stupidity of politicians in MI and FL
They simply should have run the primaries in those states again
I don't think it is ever a wise idea to ignore the voters in these states
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree, in all fairness to everyone, have the primaries again, let the voters have their right to vote, and have both candidates on the ballots. That's the only fair way to handle it.
Then, if these states want to have their primaries on Super Tues, have it changed legally.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
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The Supreme Court has addressed party primaries in the pat, notably in Smith v. Allwright. The political parties, although they claim to be "private clubs," perform a public function, and they can be required to observe standards of fairness.
Whether the Court will choose to hear this case (if it ever gets that far) is yet to be decided. Personally, I'd bet against it.
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THOMNH621 year, 7 months ago
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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A bit off the subject. Sue me.
If Hillary is indeed the most 'electable', why (oh why) does she keep having to inject her own money into her campaign? She's up to $11.4 mil. now! Meanwhile, Obama chugs along with primarily grass roots contributions. What does THAT tell the superdelegates?
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quackpot1 year, 7 months ago
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Clinton has gone WACKO.
Were she to bow out with class she could be a powerful mover in the Senate. As she is going, she will be soon buried under the mud that she is creating.
With this garbage, I can't even imagine any New Yorker voting for her for the Senate next time.
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automan9091 year, 7 months ago
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Thats typical Democrat BS. Just like when they didn't want the military votes to count, now they are playing games with Michigan and Florida. Hillary and Obama had no right to say that they wouldn't count those votes to begin with.
We count ALL votes in America.
Those people came out to vote, and the votes should count. If Obama was so stupid as to not get on the ballot then why would I want the dummy for my President?
Just count the damn votes. Period.
The folks in Michigan and Florida are gonna be so mad if you don't count them that they will vote Republican in the general election. I know I would if I were them.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Take a gander at this.
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?article...
then this..
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/arch...
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