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djrevelky1 year, 6 months ago

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The Treaty of Tripoli was not ratified by 2/3 of the states but the 1st Amendment was. Sorry about your luck.

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      nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
      
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      Jefferson was a very complex man
      You have to read an extensive biography and not cherry pick quotes
      You seem to have overlooked:
      "The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Board of Visitors Minutes, 1819. ME 19:416
      "Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to John Thomas et al., 1807. ME 16:291
      "In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object." --Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808. ME 16:317
      
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        nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        "One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:382
        Jefferson's Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in the
        State of Virginia can be found here:
        http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm
        
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        mivan41 year, 6 months ago
        
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        THUMBS UP! nostalgia, an excellent job of holding a Light to the TRUTH on this. The Separation LIE has been going on WAY to long!
        
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        toph19731 year, 6 months ago
        
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        I have no problem with religions making donations to political parties. However, if they can donate, we take away their tax exempt status, retroactively. They will have to pay taxes on the donations. Taxes on money given to the church would be taxed, not only the church pays, but people giving will be taxed as well. Maybe then this will remove the evil disease that is religion from this country.
        Our forefathers knew the evil of religion, that is why there is a separation of church and state. Separation is a lie only in the minds of people who believe in fariytales.
        
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        nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        "Our forefathers knew the evil of religion, that is why there is a separation of church and state."
        Really???
        I suggest you read some more history on the founding of this country before you make that pronouncement again
        The founders did not want the government to ESTABLISH a national religion. Do you have any idea why that would have been a concern to them???
        You are also aware that they did not object if a colony or later a state had a "state established" religion, aren't you??
        
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        nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        Roger Williams of Rhode Island and William Penn ensured the protection of religious minorities within their colonies from the beginning but others had established churches (Plymouth Colony and Massachusetts Bay Colony).
        Didn't Roger Williams leave Massachusetts because of religious oppression? Isn't that why he founded RI on the principle of state neutrality in matters of faith?
        He didn't want the state to dictate the religion you had to belong to
        
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        nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        I'm always amused at the "selective" choices made when quotes from Jefferson are posted
        I have read a number of Jefferson biographies and he was a very complex person. With every biography I have read there is some new information I didn't know before
        He's a fascinating person
        You might find this interesting
        'A Wall of Separation'
        FBI Helps Restore Jefferson's Obliterated Draft
        You can read the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, which contains the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state". In the draft of the letter, Jefferson crossed out some words. The Library of Congress asked the FBI to try and determine what worods were scratched out in the draft. They were successful and you can read the entire original text
        The Library of Congress site also explains what was happening politically when the letter was written
        http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danbury.html
        
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        BoxMonkey1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        Thank You Nostalgia . Your efforts show through . Thank you .
        
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