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Posted By populist 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsThis is what the good people of America are up against. There is not an insignificant group of madmen enabling the chief madman and his cohorts. Ignorance is a terminal blessing for them. They won't be influenced by facts. They are proud that they listen only to Limbaugh "to get the truth".
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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The point is that Parsley and Hagee call for the destruction of lives and futures. They could care less how many innocent people die.
When did Wright preach this philosophy?
I have watched all three of the subjects on TV and I don't mean just the snippets that Hannity or the other McCain pundits put on. My conclusion was that of the three, two promote evil deeds, and one complains about past treatment.
For me I believe that Parsley and Hagee are dangerous people and Wright is only an irritation.
Tremenmdous difference there.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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If Parsely and Hagee are dangerous, what's up with all the gang violence in Wright's hometown of Chicago?
Ya know, if you cannot connect Parsley and Hagee to violence, and all you have is your deliberate distortion of their words, perhaps silence might work better for ya.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
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An epidemic of relgious mania and ignorance has swept across this nation like a plague. According to these nut jobs racism and superstition is the word of God.
And McCain, he's a Baptist when he's in South Carolina and an Episcopalean when he's in Michigan. So go figure...
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Spadecaller, you are right and I think it has pulled the American people into actions that no christian would put up with.
Why then do they do they set back and do nothing?
Why are moral and principled people raising a voice against preachers like Parsley and Hagee?
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"Why are moral and principled people raising a voice against preachers like Parsley and Hagee? "
I think you meant why "aren't" they. So I will say that people do raise their voices against dangerous, hateful people like this. Unfortunately that's not what "sells newspapers" (metaphorically) in our media.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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''Which candidates are supporting the agenda of either Osama or Hamas?''
well, I would say it would be McCain, if he continues to follow Bush's america-weakening foreign policy.
do people really think its a coincidence with Osama participating in the downfall of Russia?
It must be something in the schools I didn't go to or the cable TV I can't afford that makes people miss this stuff
on another thread, someone said there are 2500 AQ worldwide
how do 2500 people fight the US, let alone defeat them?
they don't
but they saw Russia in Afghanistan
they crazy, not stupid
they left stupid to us
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"I bet you wouldn't call Osama and the head of Hamas, hateful, WOULD you, O Jihadist of the Pen? Or, if you did, you'd say their hatred would justified, right?"
I'm sorry. You're truly insane and obsessed with Islam in a very strange way.
What I wouldn't do is see the world in plain black and white as you do. Was Osama Bin Laden justified in his attack on 3000 innocents in the US? Absolutely not, no more than Bush was justified in killing hundreds of thousands of innocents in the middle east. Can I understand how American policies in the middle east led to such an action by Bin Laden? Sure. Can you understand how every time Palestinians and their children are bombed into oblivion by Israel that the bomb fragments read "Made in the USA?"
There are many sides to every question and many answers. I'm sorry you're so blind. So filled with hatred for a falsely created "other." You are no better than Hamas.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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And, of course, YOU, being a Jihadist, HAVE to believe that Israel kills just for the hell of it, don't you? It just buldozes houses NOT because it was a home to someone who'd dress like a Rabbi (that's called "al-taqqiya", my friend, when a Muslim acts like an infidel to get his enemies guard down because "war is deception" in Islam) and set off a bomb in a bus, no, JUST to be mean. The same with Bush. Bush HAS to be attacking the Middle East just out of spite and OIL, is all. Why LOOK at all the oil wells of Iraq Bush has robbed, FORCING oil prices to fall like rocks. :)
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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As I said. You are insane. Truly disturbed. I'm so very sorry for you and for those around you. I'm so very sorry that you have no understanding of Islam or Muslims, as well. Try reading the book "Who Speaks for Islam." It will serve as a nice education. Please stop accusing me of being a Muslim or 'Jihadist' (you have no idea what either means) because I am neither by your definition or any other.
You are a sad person. Best wishes for your hopeful recovery.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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If you want to keep on attacking my character to try to change the subject of what Quran 9:1-5 and 29-30 mean, be my guest. I'll leave it up to the one TRUE God on whether or not I call people's attention to certain passages from the Quran that turn good people (45 British Islamic medical doctors) into MONsters.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"I'll leave it up to the one TRUE God on whether or not I call people's attention to certain passages from the Quran that turn good people (45 British Islamic medical doctors) into MONsters. "
The God of the Muslims is the God of Christians.
That's what being an "Abrahamaic" faith means.
You have no education. I'm so very, very sorry for you.
If you want to pull out little bits of text from the Qur'an to "prooftext" then you can expect the same from the Bible and there are just as many little horrors in there when you take a small bit of text out of socio-historical context and context within the greater meaning of the text.
In addition you are reading English translations which don't quite carry the meaning and are of a low-context understanding. Just as you are likely reading English translations of the Bible which also always fall short.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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I take it that, IF one were to translate the Quran correctly into English, instead of the incredibly STUPID ways Pickthal, Shakir and Yusef Ali translated them, the sun would be stationary and the earth would be rotating? "Strike off the finger tips and heads off of infidels" would be translated as "caress the hands and kiss the necks of infidels"? Surah 9:1-5 would SOUND like history, and NOT something that can be for OUR time as well? Quran 3:28 and 16:106 tells Muslims to actually be TRUTHful and NOT lie when "under duress" because 72 virgins DO await those who view the next life as important and NOT this one, so, why lie to protect your life in THIS world, as 16:107 seems to say, contradicting 106?
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Dionys
I did mean that and sent such a message but it must have gotten seperated. I just saw it about three posts down.
Any yes people are raising their voices, just not enough of them. And you are so correct, I believe that selling newspapers and air time is directly proportional to the fuss that can be stirred up.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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What surprises me is that the Rush request for Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary has yet to be challenged as voting inteference or maybe disruption of voting laws. I guess its not against the law, but its pretty bad when the opposition feels so vulnerable that they seek to get to choose who they run against. It ought to be illegal.
On the topic, there is a rising concern by church organizations that they have become tools for the candidates, especially from the right.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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> On the topic, there is a rising concern by church organizations that they have become tools for the candidates, especially from the right.
How many elections and how many thousands of broken election promises has it taken for them to wake up?
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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I think it has to do with some of us confusing "long suffering" with "procrastination" and "cowardice." It's just my opinion, of course, but I think some of us have been overly patient and assuming that all that would be necessary is prayer, but if we were to exercise some deep thinking and judgment, we would realize that when God encounters evil people, He doesn't just wait for them to have a change of heart, He always takes some kind of action.
On the other hand, it's possible that everything has taken place according to God's own timing and purpose. Maybe now is the time Christians are being called to stand and fight against the evil that threatens to overtake our country and the entire world. No more easy outs for us.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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I would like to believe that Cushi, but for someone who left the Christian church because of all the hypocrisy and Sunday-only Christianity, I will not hold my breath.
With McCain making excuses for Hagee, with Christians voting for Christians like the Bushes who wage unnecessary wars and who associate themselves with the self-proclaimed Messiah, Rev. Moon, I don`t see God`s hand anywhere on the pro-war side.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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I've heard the preachings of Hagee, but, I've never heard of Parsley, unless we're talking herbs. I like Hagee, from what I've heard of preach, AND, I've heard him preach. I like how he sticks up for the teeny, weeny, state that gave back even MORE territory for peace, but, got missiles and rockets fired at it FROM that very territory it gave back in the hopes of achieving peace.
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BravoSierra1 year, 8 months ago
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The Israelis are arrogant, ungrateful A$$H0!$ who only have a state because the US and Brits paid them to have one and be our guard dogs at the mouth of the Suez; and, because the Palestinians couldn't get their $h!t together to do the job when the British offered it to them first; pulling out of the Palestinian mandate because it was clear the other Middle Eastern tribes weren't going to let the state of Palestine exist. The Brits, being ever pragmatic strategists were grateful that the Israelis could get organized enough to be effective terrorists and capable of creating a state. But it wouldn't have happened with out billions of US dollars and the Brits giving Israel the plans for the atomic bomb. They are clever, competent A$$h0!s but they are still A$$d$. Go work with them awhile and you'll find out.
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BravoSierra1 year, 8 months ago
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I'm sure Hagee has never worked with them. As for Hagee himself...ever seen the movie "Elmer Gantry"...It was based upon Lewis' research and study of evangelical preachers.
There are two populations that are classical cases for Anti-Social Personality Disorder...these two populations have a higher than normal rate of having people with this disorder among them...they are convicts and preachers. The preachers who are anti-socials and confidence artists just tend to be smarter and more able to fake introjecting and mimicing the religious zeal.
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BravoSierra1 year, 8 months ago
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BravoSierra1 year, 8 months ago
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Don't get me wrong, we should have let Israel roll all across Lebannon to the Syrian border in 1982 but don't delude yourselves into thinking there is anything holier or more moral about the Jews than there is with anyone else. An A$$h0l3 Israeli in a bar in Israel is just as big a jerk as is no more Godly than a prick from any other country. Of course Jews were going to make them selves special in their Bible...If Hitler had won WWII he would have had history books declare him God's chosen... I can't believe a bunch of Celts and Gauls from Europe have bought someone else's history of the world that makes the Israelis somehow godlier than the rest of us...lol. 15 million people have convinced 1 billion people that they are the center of God's universe...how pathetic.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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It's funny how the enemies of Israel only focus on the money the US gives to Israel, and seem so blind to the zillions it gave to Arafat and the Palestinians also, which never WENT to the good of the Palestinians...no doubt to help foster hatred toward Israel through things like "Farfur" that brainwash Palestinian children to view Jews as murderers and killers of women and chilren.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeii225G-HM
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"It's funny how the enemies of Israel only focus on the money the US gives to Israel, and seem so blind to the zillions it gave to Arafat and the Palestinians also, which never WENT to the good of the Palestinians."
How about focusing on how Israel's violated all the peace agreements it's made and is building tens of thousands of houses in Palestinian territory? Or how about focusing on it actions against Lebanon or the Palestinians in general?
Or how about we look at the history of the region:
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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We CAN look at the history of the region, but, when someone posts such a history and believes in a Book (the Quran, which allows Muslims to lie because
"war is deceit"), EVERYthing you post, Dionys, is hard to believe. Besides, Israel doesn't fire rockets and missiles into civilian areas willy nilly
like Palestinians, making ME think, it can build all the houses in "Palestine", that it wants. I mean, LOOK, people, IF Israel was as evil as Hamas
kiddie TV portrays, HOW come Israel hasn't used one of it's subs to nuke Mecca during the peek a hajj, then threatened ALL countries with nuclear
obliteration IF they fired back on it?
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"Israel doesn't fire rockets and missiles into civilian areas willy nilly
like Palestinians,"
Israel dropped hundreds of thousands of cluster bombs into civilian areas last year in direct violation of UN Law and agreements Israel signed. Have you ever seen a child wounded by a cluster bomb that didn't explode when it was supposed to? I have.
Both sides are at fault. What are you, some nutjob Messianic Jew?
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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Absolutely right Bravo. That whole "Chosen People" crap makes me want to vomit. And when that doesn't work, they call out all the famous jews in history to convince you that jews are superior. Then if you don't agree they call you a camel lover. I think Israelis are despicable.
Yes, it's the money that goes to Israel, and Israel does nothing in return. They wouldn't even let the US use israel as a base for launching attacks into Iraq and we had to talk to Turkey in stead. Much more money.
If you look at a chart for foreign aid, Israel is at the top of the list. For a teeny, tiny little state "the size of a coffin" as Netenyahu said.
They are arrogant, greedy pricks. I support the Palestinians.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Do you support them shooting rockets indescriminately into civilian neighborhoods like they have been doing? How about brain-washing their children to believe Jews are "the killers of women and children" WHICH Palestinian TV is famous for depicting?
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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I see very little difference between the Israelis and Palestinians on that front. Israel steals Palestinian land, Palestinians retaliate, then Isreal says "How dare they retaliate, let's retaliate."
For every Israelis killed, about 50 times that number are Palestinians. Most palestinians killed by Israelis are adolecscent males. It's no accident. There is plenty of crap in the Talmud also about how gentiles are lower than the animals and can be used for any purpose by Jews.
I used to have tremendous sympathy for the jews in israel. Not any more.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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When I see a Muslim talking about how evil Israel is (preaching it was beind 911 and what not) and ignoring rockets fired from territory Israel gave back to Palestinians in the hopes of achieving peace, and, ignoring the evil of Palestinian children's TV that spreads brain-washing hate and alienation between Jew and Muslim, and, people actually start believing that Israel is more at fault than those who would create such evil, why, YES, I would have to say that the taqqiya of Muslims (who, no doubt, believe the world to be divided between dar al Islam and dar al harb... where deceit and lying is permitted against infidels), hey, I have to say that taqqiya works. I mean, Dionys, more people are agreeing with you than with me in this thread.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Mutainia
Parsley preaches that the United States was created to destroy Islam. The Crusades were originally meant to rid the Holy Land of the "Non-Christians". Not being Christians,nor Hebrews, the indeginous people of what is now Israel didn't know for what reason the Christians invaded them. Hagee preaches the divine right of the Jews. His message is that God promised that land to Israel. Again the people living there before 1947 not being Christians, take issue with that position.
I guess it all started around 1880. Russia was expelling the Jews from their country ( The Pogroms)and the people of Palestine ( the Arabs )told those expelled Jews to come and live with them since their ancestors once lived there. They could live together in peace the Arabs promised. By 1920 there were enough Jews in Palestine to begin to challenge the Arabs. In 1947 the Arabs were not allowed to vote on whether they wanted an Irsaeli Government, or not.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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"I guess it all started around 1880". If you read Bible prophecy, it goes back much further than 1880. And, the hatred toward a future Israel (as predicted in Bible prophecy) goes back to that time as well. Read Psalm 83 and you'll see that the Islamic hatred toward a restored Israel, is prophecy fulfilled. "They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance." THAT scripture is fulfilled daily in not just the mosques of Palestinian areas.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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" By the way, I don't think America will destroy Islam. I predict that Islam will destroy America."
You're insane.
Less than 7% of Muslims worldwide believe that 9/11 was justified. That 7% *never* used religion to justify that view, they used ideology. The other 93% of Muslims who said 9/11 was wrong and immoral used the Qur'an to explain how it was not only unjustified, but immoral. So it's the *more* religious Muslims who are against the ideologues.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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We're they being truthful, O Jihadist of the Pen? Or, were they using al-taqqiya to just ACT like they disagreed with those who would be like the 45 British Islamic medical doctors who tried to set off bombs at two Scottish airports a year ago? THANKS to Muslims viewing the world as being divided between dar al Islam (the abode of peace) and dar al harb (the abode of war where deception and deceit is permitted by Allah thanks to Quran 3:28 and 16:106), NO one, inCLUDING Muslims, can tell who the peaceful Muslim is from the Jihadist.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Paranoid of a religion that tells Muslims to lie about being friends to Jews and Christians or be "cut off from Allah" if they are, in fact, REALLY friends of Christians and Jews (read 3:28), yes, I guess you could say I was a bit paranoid. It's not your fault that I don't trust you, though. YOU can't help being a Muslim, can you?. Can YOU, Dionys, trust your fellow Muslims when your very Quran is so pro-deception? Why, even Allah himself admits to being a deceiver who wills people on right or wrong paths. I've got scriptures ready for that too, if you call me a liar. Oh, about the schitzo thing, I'm perfectly centered and sound of mind. How about yourself?
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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You're insane. Quoting English translations of minute passages from the Qur'an is as bad as nutjob evangelical Christians prooftexting from the Bible. I'm so sorry that someone who pretends to be a Christian is as filled with hate and vitriol as you are. Let us know when you've discovered the way of Christ, and not the way of those that pretend to speak for him.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh, I see, follow a Christ, yours, that would use the power of Allah to transform someone to look like him, and put an imposter on a cross so people LIKE me, will believe in Christianity, rather than Islam, and, end up having my skin burned off and replaced, daily, throughout eternity?
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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So, who are Jews who AREN'T of the "synogoges of Satan" that you mentioned above? Are you trying to say that, since Christians believe in the Bible have a passage like that in Revelation, it means they are no better than those (Muslims), who believe in a book that tells Muslims to not be friends of Christians and Jews, except "by way of pre-caution", in otherwords, except to be friends through hypocritical means? (Read Quran 3:28 and 16:106. Also, type into your web browser "dar al harb". Also, type in "al-taqqiya").
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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If we're going to look at history, we should look at history:
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
Should Israel belong to the Egyptians?
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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It's ONLY the God of the Bible that says the land of Zion belongs to Israel, and, that's why the prophecy of Psalm 83 has now been fulfilled. Jesus said, "when you see Jerusalem compassed about by armies, know that the end is neigh at hand. It is at the door."
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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If you are going to justify Israel with the Bible, then we have to consider all things the Bible embraces and justifies to be truthful and neccessary. This would include slavery, the oppression of women, et cetera. If you are going to hold to the Bible as your source of justification then I ask that you hold true to it as well and subjugate yourself to your husband.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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You're insane. I'm so very sorry. As I said before, I'm not Muslim. With your ranting and obvious hatred and vitriol, I suspect you'd make a great terrorist, though. Just think -- You could even blame it on your religion which (just like Islam) is really based in peace and caring for the poor.
What a sad creature you are. I hope Christ brings you the peace you so deserve.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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''I guess it all started around 1880. Russia was expelling the Jews from their country ( The Pogroms)and the people of Palestine ( the Arabs )told those expelled Jews to come and live with them since their ancestors once lived there. They could live together in peace the Arabs promised. By 1920 there were enough Jews in Palestine to begin to challenge the Arabs. In 1947 the Arabs were not allowed to vote on whether they wanted an Irsaeli Government, or not.''
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not
but jews and arabs have always lived together in palestine[always as in so far back its too far back to put a date on it]
that's what I learned from researching it.
at the time of the 1880's, the date you mention above, there were about 24,000 Jews in Palestine
there was a much larger arab pop, but the jews didn't just magically pop up there to steal land as some believe
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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''I like how he sticks up for the teeny, weeny, state''
as Ron Paul said, that teeny weeny state has about 300 nukes while their neighbors have none
poor Israel
however will she defend herself against the unwashed mongul hordes?
Israel defeated muslim aggresion with less troops and weapons than they have now repeatedly thru history
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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I do believe that Israel is the nation God chose to be His special vehicles to make His presence known to the entire world. However, that does not give Israel the right to do anything and everything it wants and to take advantage of other neighboring nations. God is a just God and that, I believe, is not His will for Israel or for any of us.
God has consistently punished Israel throughout biblical history for her wrongdoing, and I trust that He will judge that nation for its shortcomings, just as He will judge ours.
I do not believe we should have animosity toward Israel, but I also do not feel that we should give her carte blanche to do whatever she wants because, I believe, God did not choose her to take unfair advantage, but to reveal to the world His loving, gracious, merciful and just ways.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"I like how he sticks up for the teeny, weeny, state that gave back even MORE territory for peace,"
It may be tiny 'state', sizewise, but it is a country that threatens with nuclear weapons, regularly attacks its neighbours with missiles, air strikes, tanks and has a tendency to roll over protestors with rocks and shoot back at children. It's hardly the "little guy" in the area.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Again, IF Israel is so evil, how come it hasn't nuked Mecca off the earth during the peek of Hajj, then threatened to use it's subs to nuke say, Damascus, Tehran, you name it, IF it's fired back on? YOU watch Hamas TV and you get the feeling that Israel is so evil that it would DO such a thing.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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So, you are saying that, IF Israel took out Mecca, then threatend to nuke the countries around it if retaliated on, those countries would still attack Israel, not caring that Israel might then unleash it's Sampson Option? In otherwords, IF Muslims woke up and found Mecca gone, and Israel was threatening to nuke them all IF retaliated on, Muslims would still attack Israel? If so, then you agree that Muslims would rather be dead and vaporized than for Israel to nuke Mecca, true? Muslims are just THAT thrilled to be in a religion where they have to have their butt up in the air, five times a day, EVERY day, for all their lives, true?
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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Your hatred and vitriol is no better than that of Hamas. You've regularly called for the destruction of others based on nothing. You are a sad, scary person and I feel sorry for all of those around you. I hope you seek professional help.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Again, you are trying to divert and change the subject, accusing me of hatred and vitriol on par with a group you are acting like you are distancing yourself from. WHEN have I called for the destruction of others based on nothing? Better yet, POINT us to where I've called for the destruction of ANYone? SINCE I rag on Islam so much, direct us to a comment where I've called on the death of Muslims? HAVE I called on the death of Muslims, or, is this what is known as "Holy" lying, or, "al-taqqiya" (look up al-taqqiya in your web browsers, people).
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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By the way, Dion, what ever happened to O mu? I was sending him some anti-Islam videos I found on YouTube, ("investigateislam"...which survived being pulled OFF of netscape BY Muslims from doing what I'm doing here in Netscape, and, "CloningIsFun) and, Old mu went on vacation. He came back, briefly, then, disappeared. Strange. COULD those videos have opened his eyes to the Truth? The REAL God only knows.
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
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"The REAL God only knows"
The God of Abraham, your God, is the God of the Muslims.
If you don't even understand basic theology that an eight year old understands, you shouldn't be commenting on either Islam or Christianity.
Regarding your comment - I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you should ask your friend Paranoid Schitzophrenia?
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh, I think I understand where you're coming from. I too believe that my God IS the God of Muslims and everyone, but, this same God, my God, says Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and YOUR God says your worship of it is what keeps you out of hell. Saying "we believe in the same God", too me, is only a Muslim tactic to get one's guard down and divert away from the fact that IF that Christian believes Jesus Christ leads to Salvation, rather than butt in the air, he goes to hell.
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memestryker1 year, 8 months ago
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Hagee, Parsley, Wright, etc. do help people to gain insights on how to improve their lives, while cleverly manipulating them into attributing it to the religious doctrine they promulgate as "men of god." Yep, charlatans.
When Obama finally threw Wright under the bus, he showed b*lls--something he had not proven as a junior senator who has frequently voted "present" to avoid taking a stand on tough issues. Dumping Wright was a winning move to attract fence-sitters.
McCain needs votes, and panders to Bush's base. He's been so all-over-the-map that neither party trusts him. And his long history of voting can be picked apart, in addition to his shifts to attract blocks of votes. So it's just business for him.
Clinton is female and carries too much baggage--both deadly, even though I think she has a more solid religious background than Obama or McCain.
If Obama wins, I hope his tent is big enough for agnostics and atheists, too.
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memestryker1 year, 8 months ago
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Talk about charlatans, what about those self-aggrandizing grand-standers Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? I am not looking forward to seeing more of them, and I know they expect to be on the podium with Obama, or at least have front-row seats. [barf]
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are both charlatans. But to my knowledge neither of them advocate killing and occupying a people because "God wills it". And neither does Obama. But McCain is known for his infamous actions such as "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" and his declaration that he didn't care if we occupied Iraq for a Hundred years. Then of course there is the Keating Five S & L Scandal that bilked the public of over a Billion Dollars. You may remember McCain was one of the five. And Keating gave McCain, his wife, and her father Hundreds of thousands of dollars for their "friendship" during the scandal. I don't have enought characters left to get into some of the other stuff. McCain is Bush Redux.
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memestryker1 year, 8 months ago
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McCain isn't quite Bush Redux, but he's extreme on some issues (sometimes adopting a far left position as doggedly as he does far right ones at other times).
Obama has been either unknown or more consistently leftist (he either doesn't vote or votes left). He reminds me so much of Jimmy Carter--a really nice polite guy with a good heart who didn't have a track record on issues that really informs observers when he was elected. I hope Obama has more insight than Carter when he's in the hot seat.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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''When Obama finally threw Wright under the bus, he showed b*lls-''
I disagree.
denouncing Wright did not show as much balls and integrity as not playing politician would have, as just acknowledging their relationship and being a man
he only denounced him after floundering about and doing more damage, and then leaving himself only that option
he's just another politician playing games, but he's better than those other two
what you got with his handling of the Wright nonsense was, 'I am as you want me to be' instead of 'this is how I am' like a man
I'm not the only one who thought the Wright thing was much ado, but lost respect for him in the way he acted [except the speech on race-politically stupid, but a 'brave' thing to do]
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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there is and was no right time
unless you're talking 20 years ago
to denounce him now just looks like what it is
political expediency, nithing more
you honestly don't believe all of the sudden Obama was offended at Wright's views?
that's ridiculous
most likely Obama and Wright had a phone conversation about it and felt this was the way to go, to have Wright act more extreme so Obama could ditch him
all the stuff that transpired after Wright was made an issue was political maneuvering and you'd have to be naive to think otherwise, no offense
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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I somewhat agree at the same time that I disagree. I don't think Obama should have denounced Wright's words in those soundbites that were taken out of context and distorted by attack dogs and mealy mouthed msm. Still, it was his call to make.
I don't agree that Obama was merely being political when he made that final break from Wright. I think it was very much personal. It is one thing to have enemies stabbing you in the back, quite another to have someone you love, chastised but didn't disown turn around and sabotage you by saying you were merely being "political." I think that really hurt, disappointed, and angered Obama. That hurt and anger was evident in his facial expressions when he made that final separation speech. Of course there was a political element to the action because there is and will be a political element to any words or actions Obama takes as a presidential contender, but I think, in his mind, the political aspect was not foremost.
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memestryker1 year, 8 months ago
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DMT,
Neither you nor I know the details, so we can only speculate. No offense.
On the other hand, sometimes political expedience is presidential. And political maneuvering is part of that. Just another tool to master. Nagging problem? Zap it. I think it was fine artistry--and presidential.
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TrueProgressive1 year, 8 months ago
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I notice the usual bunch of right wing creeps "sunk" this story. To them, it's okay to bash Obama for his relationship to Rev. Wright, whose message I believe is dead on in some respects even though the messenger has now shown himself to be a clown, but to give a pass to their guy, McBush, for his alliance to proven bigots and demogogues.
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TrueProgressive1 year, 8 months ago
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And BTW, memestryker, McCain is the Bush "Redux." Just the other day, McBush said he'd continue Dumbya's policy of appointing right wing nutjobs to the federal courts. And show me please, where has McBush adopted a "far left" position?
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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Bush adopted a far left position when he adopted a socialistic stance toward Iraq, using taxpayers money to advance the notion of a "new democracy in Iraq" to the tune of 4 billion a week
Iraq= The Biggest SOCIAL WELFARE program in the history of the world.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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obie
I think Bush and company invaded Iraq to get the Oil. Remember Iraq was the third biggest producer and its proven reserves at time of invasion was about $21 Trillion.
A secondary issue was to provide an avenue of Profit for the Military Industrial complex. And Profit they have. Why on earth would they want to stop this cash cow?
Finally, Iraq provides a good platform for more malfeasance in the area, i. e. Iran the fourth largest producer of Oil.
So I don't think it was a Social Welfare experiment, I believe it was a "sieze the potential profit exercise".
That hundreds of thousands would die and futures would be sacrificed didn't mean a damn thing to them.
And the murder and mayhem encouraged by Hagee and Parsley falls right into character with the Bush Administration.
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Lurch1 year, 8 months ago
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1. "Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist."
- Pastor John Hagee in his book What Every Man Wants in a Woman (Charisma House, 2005)
2. "The Quran teaches that [all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews]. Yes, it teaches that very clearly."
-Pastor John Hagee
McCain said he was "very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement."
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5517
McCain, you suck.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 8 months ago
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"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist."
wow
don't quit your day job getting people to worship the reflection of your own ego, Shecky mc-Hagee
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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In commenting sometimes we get away from the core of the issue. The fact that Parsley and Hagee are supporters of the Bush Administration and call for death and destruction of people simply for their opposite views is indicative of the state of our MSM communications and their spin agenda.
The most refreshing words I've heard from any candidate this year was from Ron Paul. During an interview he was asked if he would vote for McCain. He said he didn't think so. The interviewer then asked "Don't you want to vote for a Republican?"
Paul said "There are things that are more important than Party".
If only everyone in America would follow that principle and elect moral people and kick out the corrupters, then we wouldn't have to be unsure of our own moral compass.
Voting for a lesser evil will guarantee that what you get will be evil.
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cloud151 year, 8 months ago
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The sad thing is CHAM, most people who go to vote aren't paying attention to the debates, or the speeches or the interviews, or any of the process. They just show up at the ballot, see Democrat or Republican and vote. We live in a very ignorant society where our political party system has failed.
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cushi1 year, 8 months ago
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You are right, but it is also true that you have to choose from the choices you have...if they are all evil, inevitably, you will be choosing the lesser of the evils.
Concurrently, there is no choice as long as man is in charge, that will not include some degree of evil, thus, the lesser of the evils is the only choice we can make.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Let's first deal with Cliff Carson's abject lies since using google is not within his mental abilities. He lied:
Irag is:
1. A country that did us no harm.
2. A country who's worse crime was to be setting on top of a pile of oil that was lusted after by ungodly people who would murder and wreak carnage to increase the size of their bank account.
To enumerate the magnitude of Carson's perfidy:
Contrary to (1) above:
1. Saddam harbored the killer of Leon Klinghoffer.
2. Several tons of LEU were removed from Iraq to the US (material could be used to create dirty bombs).
3. Iraqi training at Salman Pak was for "...terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism...All this training is directly toward attacking American targets, and American interests." --Sabah Khodadah on Frontline.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Contrary to Carson's second lie above:
1. Saddam launched unprovoked invasion of Kuwait, and it's army massacred civilians at random.
2. Saddam launched scud missiles at Israeli civilian populations, demonstrating to all the international terrorist nature of his regime.
Since Carson's entire anti-Christian screed is based on his lies, there is no reason to trust anything he has ever said.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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And, let us not forget that Saddam did such an excellent job of ACTING like he was trying to get WMDs that even Liberal military loathng CLINTON bombed Iraq in 1998 in "Operation: Desert Fox" when he, Saddam, refused UN inspectors access to sites.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 8 months ago
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Except that SADAAM was allowing access to all sites, even allowing access to the palaces. But all that was lost in the clamor for war. And Bush kept raising the bar saying, Sadaam is not co-operating, when in fact he was.
There were no WMDs. It's all hogwash.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Mutainia
Iraq was bombed every day for ten years before the 2003 invasion. The news reported that the Iraqis were firing at the surveillance jets. Neither you nor I know for sure if Iraq was actually lighting up the Jets.
There was a fuss about how and the extent that the inspections were to be accomplished. Seems I remember that the flap was whether the inspector could walk in unannounced to any Iraqi building.
If you remember the story about "throwing babies out of the incubator in Kuwait City's Hospital, I ask you to check out that story and how it got plugged into the propaganda. Its a beaut. I saw a documentary about the faking of the story. Remember Private Lynch? Pat Tillman? and a myraid of other goodies? Shouldn't a person have difficulty deciding what and what not to believe when it came out of the Pentagon or White House?
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Oh, I remember that incubator lie created by the Kuwaitis to push America faster into action. I was just responding to the fact that even CLINTON, nice, Liberal, war hating Bill Clinton, even bombed Saddam due to Saddam barring access to UN inspectors MAKING it look like he DID possibly have WMD. Being so the case, it kind of takes the heat off of Bush, as so repugnant to you Liberals that may sound.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Informatin is as it is presented. But to refer back to my last post, I wrote that sometimes we drift away from the core subject in these comments.
I have heard, with my own ears, Rod Parsley state that America was founded to destroy Islam. I have heard him call for the utter destruction of all things Islamic.
I have watched many John Hagee sermons and I heard him, with my own ears, state that there was just two ways to live, the Torah way, and the wrong way. I thought this intresting that a Self Professed Christian might make this statement.
You see Georgia50, I wonder why would a Christian would not mention the bible as "the way to live".
And Georgia50, you may recall from all your research that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all came thru Abraham. What you might not know is that the tomb of Abraham is the Mecca attraction for Muslims. The Hajj is a replication of the treck of Hagar and Ishmael in the desert after they were cast out.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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And while in the desert Hagar was visited by God and was promised by God that thru Ishmael would a geat Nation be raised. I submit that Nation is Islam.
Rod Parsley and John Hagee would destroy one of God's creations. Why? Because they are different than the two of them. That people would die is AOK with the two false prophets.
Iraq invaded Kuwait after two years of complaints about the slant drilling into the Iraqi Rammallah Oil field. When Kuwait refused to stop the practice and refused to pay royalties on the extracted oil, Saddam went to April Glaspie, the United States Ambassador and asked what would be the United States reaction if Iraq invaded Kuwait to stop the thievery of Iraq oil. Glaspie informed Hussein that the U S would stay out of it.
There's a good possibility that if you Google April Glaspie Kuwait invasion you might discover that.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Georgia50
Your concerns are valid. But what I know about those items you mentioned are as follows:
Kuwait was invaded only after two years of warnings about the slant drilling in to the Iraqi Ramallah Oil Field. Iraq told Kuwait to stop the practice or pay royalties. When Iraq could get Kuwait to do neither, Saddam visited the American Ambassador April Glaspie and asked what would be the U S reaction if Iraq invaded Kuwait. Glaspie after consultation with the White House told Saddam that the U S would stay out of the conflict.
Saddam did launch Scud missiles into civilian areas. Something the U S nor Israel would do - right?
I don't know how Abu Abbas, the hijacker got to Baghdad or when. He had been arrested and sent to Yugoslavia by the Italians but he was found in Iraw in 2003 after the invasion. I believed he died in 2004 of a heart attack while in U S custody.
I believe that LEU was removed from Iraq in 1998 by those Inspectors.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Georgia50
One more and I will quit bothering you or maybe you will be inspired to do some research and prove what I said above to be wrong.
The Salman Pak facility was built in the 1980's and I believe that it was about this time that Rumsfeldt and Cheney visited Hussein trying to help him win the war against Iran that the U S had talked him into starting. These same characters were complicit in supplying the materials for the chemical weapons he used against Iran and his own people. When the accusation came about using gas, the first Nation to defend him in the UN was - you guessed it the United States.
You might also remember that the fuss with Iran came about after Iran ovrethrew the Shah, the dictator that the U S and Britian installed to plunder the Iranian Oil.
Just the facts.
However this discussion should be about the Reverend Hagee and Parsley and their lust for blood (except theirs of course ).
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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Good points.
1. The promise is reckoned through Isaac and Jacob, not Ishmael and Esau. And Abraham's righteousness was by faith, not works as Islam directs.
2. Muslims claim Abraham's tomb is in Mecca. There is no evience that it is so.
3. I neither defend nor offer blanket endorsement of the teachings of Parsley and Hagee. But attacks on them ought to be based on facts, not lies as Carson does.
4. In June, 2004, 1.77 tons of LEU and other radioactive materials were removed from Iraq to Oak Ridge, TN. End of "no WMDs" argument right there.
5. The point about Iraq is it fired missiles on Israeli civilians for no apparent reason. I did not support the Pers. Gulf war, and if we'd develop W. Hemisphere resources, we would not need to care about Arabs or their oil.
6. Germany, the UN, and the US all sent anthrax spores to Iraq ostensibly for agricultural use. That it was later weaponized is not the fault of political leaders.
7. Why Salman Pak was built trumps when.
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Georgia501 year, 8 months ago
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An additional fact Carson ignores. In the first WTC bombing, the US-born, Iraqi-raised engineer, Abdul Rahman Yasin, who mixed the explosives in that bombing found refuge in Iraq. He was neither tried nor extradited.
Under international law and the rules of war, the US was clearly justified in the invasion of Iraq, at least from a purely legal, casus beli, perspective.
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Mutainia1 year, 8 months ago
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Another thing that made ME think Saddam was hiding something, was due to the "defection" of the two kamal brothers to Jordan in late 1995. To me, it stank of disinformation. I mean, here they were well paid, MARRIED to Saddam's daughters, and they deFECT?!? It made ME think Saddam TOLD them to defect and tell the world he only had X, when he really had something far more serious. That he possibly said, "You come back, I'll then show the world that I'm a really, actually, a NICE guy by welcoming you two back and having NOTHING like, say, those nukes given to me from the Soviets." Instead, he had their families KILL them when they came back, making them not only LOOK like they WERE traitors for spilling the beans on things Saddam WANTED exposed (and create diversion), but, made them look like they were STUPID traitors. And, here ONE of those brothers SAVED Saddam's reign with helicopter gunship attacks against the up-rising in 1991!
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Georgia50
Sorry to be so long to respond but this is Mothers Day and all our children and most of the Grandchildren were here.
Thank you for your comments.
No 1. I believe I said that the religions Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all came thru Abraham. And I said that Islam arose from God visiting Hagar and making the promise to her. I submitted that Nation was Islam. I don't recall saying anything about the path of Judaism and Christianity. But what I said is correct read Genesis C21-V13.
No 2. I said the Muslims believe it is the Tomb at Mecca. The Bible locates the tomb of Abraham as in a cave purchased from the Hittites, but I don't know where that is.
No. 3 I said I had personally heard Parsley say that America was established to destroy Islam. I personally heard Hagee say that there were two ways to live, the Torah way , and the Wrong way. I said this was odd that these preachers would state such things that do not meet the Christian principles.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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No 4. The definition of WMD is illusive. I think Nuclear Weapons are WMD as well as other mass killing weapons. Iraq had no WMD. LEU is not a WMD and neither is Uranium although it can be processed to build the fuel for a WMD. There is a difference. And I can't say that no LEU was removed from Iraq in 2004. But I can state that the Inspectors reported that they had removed all LEU by 1998. In any event LEU is not a WMD.
No 5. I agreed with you that Iraq fired Scud missiles on civilian targets. I did make a snide comment that the U S and Israel wouldn't do such a thing â;; right?. What I meant was we have used Depleted Uranium in Iraq and that is affecting our soldiers lives, the lives of the Iraqis today and the lives of Iraqis forever. Now that is a WMD. And it favors neither young, old, rich, poor, friend or foe.
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CHAM1 year, 8 months ago
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Final
No 5. (Continued ) Israel, before they left Lebanon, scattered 3,000,000 cluster bombs that won't go off until disturbed. This WMD is deadly to children whose natural curiosity is to pick up that thing on the ground. It is taking its toll of children today and will for years.
I don't consider these type weapons to be defensive because of the effect it has on the innocents. And I'm sure you are aware that Bush and bunch want to use Nuclear weapons in Iran. The consequences to neighboring countries could be devastating not to mention the people of Iran. I think Parsley and Hagee would encourage the use of these weapons. But don't know for sure.
No 6. I disagree with you here. I'm pretty sure we sent WMD ( poison gas ) to Iraq to use against Iran.
No 7. I agree. But I believe it was built to use in the war with Iran which we got Saddam to initiate as a punishment for Iran overthrowing our dictator we had imposed on them.
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